Are those before n after shots all genuine? Did anyone see that episode of New Girl where Cece was doing a before n after photoshoot and you saw her next to a less svelte version of herself? Same features, same hair only a bit plumper. The writers of New Girl certainly don't believe they are all genuine. LOL
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Omega
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Who's weight loss are you questioning?
LOL mine certainly is genuine - but you will have to search to find the photos because they are not posted in this section.
I can think of quite a number of people with impressive weight loss that prefer not to post in this section. They prefer to hide them away in less obvious places where only their friends or someone that they are chatting to can see them...
I believe that there are many more totally genuine before / afters on the forum than a thread count in this one section would imply...
I've never heard of the television program that you are talking about.
I am prepared to believe that there will be some fake things around the place - for instance - this is your first posting... You have told us nothing about yourself, your feelings, your weight history, your lifestyle history etc... You have not met up with anyone from here, you have not mentioned knowing someone from here elsewhere... If you posted a couple of pictures and told them that they were yourself I have no way of knowing whether they are of you or someone that you know...
LOL it is not like there are any wonderful prizes for posting a picture, no-one gets paid... While some people might get a kick out of posting a really fat picture and saying that it used to be them - I would have thought that most people would have better things to do with their time...
There really isnt much fun in announcing that a very fat picture is how you used to look... For myself - there is a level of embarrassment regarding how big I was, but also an alignment with my old self... Too much criticism of the old me is a criticism of me... I am both the before and the after...
Having said all that - I have heard of people having their photos ripped off by weight loss companies who imply that people have used their products when they havent. This is one reason why there is a sticky suggesting that people may want to consider water marking photos.
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/threads/9287-***-Read-this-before-posting-photos-please-***
LOL mine certainly is genuine - but you will have to search to find the photos because they are not posted in this section.
I can think of quite a number of people with impressive weight loss that prefer not to post in this section. They prefer to hide them away in less obvious places where only their friends or someone that they are chatting to can see them... I believe that there are many more totally genuine before / afters on the forum than a thread count in this one section would imply...
I've never heard of the television program that you are talking about.
I am prepared to believe that there will be some fake things around the place - for instance - this is your first posting... You have told us nothing about yourself, your feelings, your weight history, your lifestyle history etc... You have not met up with anyone from here, you have not mentioned knowing someone from here elsewhere... If you posted a couple of pictures and told them that they were yourself I have no way of knowing whether they are of you or someone that you know...
LOL it is not like there are any wonderful prizes for posting a picture, no-one gets paid... While some people might get a kick out of posting a really fat picture and saying that it used to be them - I would have thought that most people would have better things to do with their time...
There really isnt much fun in announcing that a very fat picture is how you used to look... For myself - there is a level of embarrassment regarding how big I was, but also an alignment with my old self... Too much criticism of the old me is a criticism of me... I am both the before and the after...
Having said all that - I have heard of people having their photos ripped off by weight loss companies who imply that people have used their products when they havent. This is one reason why there is a sticky suggesting that people may want to consider water marking photos.
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/threads/9287-***-Read-this-before-posting-photos-please-***
Who's weight loss are you questioning?
LOL mine certainly is genuine - but you will have to search to find the photos because they are not posted in this section.
I believe that there are many more totally genuine before / afters on the forum than a thread count in this one section would imply...
I've never heard of the television program that you are talking about.
I am prepared to believe that there will be some fake things around the place - for instance - this is your first posting... You have told us nothing about yourself, your feelings, your weight history, your lifestyle history etc... You have not met up with anyone from here, you have not mentioned knowing someone from here elsewhere... If you posted a couple of pictures and told them that they were yourself I have no way of knowing whether they are of you or someone that you know...
LOL it is not like there are any wonderful prizes for posting a picture, no-one gets paid... While some people might get a kick out of posting a really fat picture and saying that it used to be them - I would have thought that most people would have better things to do with their time...
There really isnt much fun in announcing that a very fat picture is how you used to look... For myself - there is a level of embarrassment regarding how big I was, but also an alignment with my old self... Too much criticism of the old me is a criticism of me... I am both the before and the after...
Having said all that - I have heard of people having their photos ripped off by weight loss companies who imply that people have used their products when they havent. This is one reason why there is a sticky suggesting that people may want to consider water marking photos.
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/threads/9287-***-Read-this-before-posting-photos-please-***
Hi Omega,
Sorry - I was not having a go at anyone. People who have managed to overcome their weight problems should be justly proud and their before n after pics and stories are always fascinating and a source of inspiration for others who are struggling.
What am I doing here? I am a health nut interested in how nutrition influences longevity, vitality, health, energy etc. so I am interested in people who are struggling with overweight to see what they are doing to address that. I was a little overweight about 14 years ago when I was 58*. I read a book called "10 steps to Energy" by Leslie Kenton and lost a lot of weight in 6 weeks. On a scale of 10, my energy was around 4. After 6 weeks following ALL Leslie's recommendations it was 10 !
Sadly the book is out of print I believe but Leslie Kenton's books are all excellent. I would recommend them to anyone who is struggling with their weight. My own recommendation would be to stop trying to lose weight and focus instead on becoming super healthy by eating the correct foods. If you do that the weight will just fall off quite naturally.
New Girl is an american comedy series broadcast on channel 4 in the UK. Its about a group of 30* somethings who share a flat. Cece is a gorgeous Indian girl who is a model.
Edited to add: Sorry - sloppy typing and I was never good with figures. I meant to say "when I was 48" not "when I was 58" and New Girl is about a group of 20 somethings not 30 somethings.
Omega
Moderator
LOL I have to say that I stopped buying diet magazines in about 2007 or 2008 when I realised that I mainly liked the stories of achievement - and that the magazines didnt have that many stories that inspired me that I was trying to do something that was possible...
There were only a few stories in each magazine - and those that were there seemed to specifically choose different weight loss amounts to try to appeal to different markets...
Half the stories were about people who had been miserable at their "disgusting size" and totally changed their lives by losing something like 50 pounds or for that matter had always longed for the perfect bikini figure!!!!!!
Clearly this was designed to encourage people that their desires were possible - but they didn't help me a great deal... It meant that you had to search to find people that had done what I was wanting to do... People with 50 pounds (or for that matter a lot more) to lose may have felt that they had started at a "disgusting size" - but that doesnt help someone who has lost a lot of weight and still has a lot more than 50 pounds to go...
The forum was wonderful... People come here for all kinds of projects - people keen to be stunning in a bikini, people who want to lose any varying amount - 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 50, 70... you name it... there were numerous stories of people who had done what I was trying to do - and people who were in the same boat as me and trying to do it...
It was brilliant - I came here and found a heap of people who were winning or had won a battle of similar proportions. I made friends with people who were as big as me (I didnt know anyone in real life who was as big as me and trying to do something about it)... Naturally I made friends with people of different sizes too who were working hard to achieve their dreams...
It is great that the advice in that book really helped you a lot.
I have to say that the combination of losing a lot of weight and eating healthily has made me absolutely full of energy... I often use the term that I am like a "human jumping bean"... I do some walking every day and most weeks I dance or do zumba on 6 days of the week.
I am in the UK - but I must admit that I do not watch too much tv... It takes me all my time to watch my Australian soaps and a couple of other programs... Between the salsa and zumba - there does not end up being too much time left over...
It is great that you have come to the forum at around 72!!!
I think that I can give an opinion on some of the factors that have caused the increase in severe morbid obesity... I did after all spend a lot of years at 21 stone (I'm 5ft3)...
- I think that take-aways (curries, chinese, pizza, fish/chips) and convenience food that comes in a box and goes into the oven or microwave tend to look like a healthy meal - but be often less healthy than people assume and often more calories than people imagine when they serve it up. Many people do not read the small print regarding portion size and eat portions designed officially for two people as a single serving...
- I think that stress eating and comfort eating is a learned behaviour and that it can be catching... If you are in the company of someone who eats when they are stressed or upset - then it is easy to get into the habit yourself. It can be a very hard habit to break.
- I think that it is very easy to get in too deep... to think that you are too fat to do anything about... to try to diet and fail and feel that this confirms the situation...
- obviously things like plentiful food availability, machines meaning that less people do physically demanding work and general larger portion sizes all play a huge part too.
There were only a few stories in each magazine - and those that were there seemed to specifically choose different weight loss amounts to try to appeal to different markets...
Half the stories were about people who had been miserable at their "disgusting size" and totally changed their lives by losing something like 50 pounds or for that matter had always longed for the perfect bikini figure!!!!!!
Clearly this was designed to encourage people that their desires were possible - but they didn't help me a great deal... It meant that you had to search to find people that had done what I was wanting to do... People with 50 pounds (or for that matter a lot more) to lose may have felt that they had started at a "disgusting size" - but that doesnt help someone who has lost a lot of weight and still has a lot more than 50 pounds to go...
The forum was wonderful... People come here for all kinds of projects - people keen to be stunning in a bikini, people who want to lose any varying amount - 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 50, 70... you name it... there were numerous stories of people who had done what I was trying to do - and people who were in the same boat as me and trying to do it...
It was brilliant - I came here and found a heap of people who were winning or had won a battle of similar proportions. I made friends with people who were as big as me (I didnt know anyone in real life who was as big as me and trying to do something about it)... Naturally I made friends with people of different sizes too who were working hard to achieve their dreams...
It is great that the advice in that book really helped you a lot.
I have to say that the combination of losing a lot of weight and eating healthily has made me absolutely full of energy... I often use the term that I am like a "human jumping bean"... I do some walking every day and most weeks I dance or do zumba on 6 days of the week.
I am in the UK - but I must admit that I do not watch too much tv... It takes me all my time to watch my Australian soaps and a couple of other programs... Between the salsa and zumba - there does not end up being too much time left over...
It is great that you have come to the forum at around 72!!!
I think that I can give an opinion on some of the factors that have caused the increase in severe morbid obesity... I did after all spend a lot of years at 21 stone (I'm 5ft3)...
- I think that take-aways (curries, chinese, pizza, fish/chips) and convenience food that comes in a box and goes into the oven or microwave tend to look like a healthy meal - but be often less healthy than people assume and often more calories than people imagine when they serve it up. Many people do not read the small print regarding portion size and eat portions designed officially for two people as a single serving...
- I think that stress eating and comfort eating is a learned behaviour and that it can be catching... If you are in the company of someone who eats when they are stressed or upset - then it is easy to get into the habit yourself. It can be a very hard habit to break.
- I think that it is very easy to get in too deep... to think that you are too fat to do anything about... to try to diet and fail and feel that this confirms the situation...
- obviously things like plentiful food availability, machines meaning that less people do physically demanding work and general larger portion sizes all play a huge part too.
Hi Omega,
First of all I'm 62 not 72! I feel a bit of a fraud posting on here because I have never been really overweight. I think my biggest problem was that I was addicted to tea. I ended up drinking about 20 cups a day - all with two teaspoonfuls of sugar in each one.
Since I wised up 14 years ago, I don't eat anything with refined sugar in it. I drink only water. I eat fruit for breakfast and follow a food combining, high raw regime. Its basically "Fit for Life" with a few refinements. For the past 6 years I have been gluten free and for the past 2 years - dairy free. The few health niggles I had cleared up when I eliminated these foods.
The only time I started to get a bit of a spare tire was when I started to eat some dried fruit with my fresh fruits for breakfast. Dried fruits have an incredible amount of sugar in them, even if it is not refined. My tip would be never to eat them, apart from maybe one dried prune at breakfast. (Prunes are incredibly rich in antioxidants). I try to do some sport every day and I have done that throughout my life.
In my opinion, the biggest culprit of all is refined sugar, followed closely by refined flour. Eliminate those completely and you have eliminated 50% of the problem. After that it starts to get a bit complicated. Eliminating processed and junk food is a no brainer and eating lots of vegetables and fruits is also a no brainer as is daily exercise.
I think if you can do those thing for a month or two you will see big improvements and you should start to find it easy to keep to such a regime.
It should work for everyone to a certain extent and for most people it is a complete solution. But then you start to get the complications. First of all the self-esteem problems. For some people, even though they slim down, their subconscious is telling them that they are still a fat person inside. Then there are a lot of people with SED, Selective Eating Disorder who can only eat a very limited diet. Some of them for example will not eat any fruits or vegetables. For some people, food is their substitute for the love they feel they are not getting, either from others or from themselves. This probably goes back to childhood when Mum gave us sweets as a treat. So sugary things become equated with love and so we gorge on sweet things, especially chocolate when we feel unloved. For all of these psychological problems I think the answer is a skilled hypnotherapist or even a counselor or psychotherapist.
Then you have undiagnosed health problems. You may have undiagnosed damaged liver/kidneys. How many people are walking around with undiagnosed hepatitis? How many people have undiagnosed thyroid problems? Or maybe their metabolism is sluggish because they are not getting enough iodine to feed the thyroid.
Then you have the question of the balance of carbs/proteins/fats. Some people's genetic inheritance may mean that they should be eating lots of proteins and fats and few carbs and then another group for whom its the other way round. Another group might be in the middle of the two extremes.
So I think for some people more than others, getting really slim and healthy and staying that way requires a lot of fine tuning and a lot of dedication.
BTW. What weight are you now? 21 stones at 5'3 is a lot of weight! Well done for slimming down. It can't have been easy.
Omega
Moderator
Everyone is welcome here - so absolutely no-one should feel a bit of a fraud. Weight control can be difficult for a lot of people... I have made good friends with people via this and other forums who have been borderline anorexic and with people who have lost a lot more weight than myself.
People working on a bikini project have a very valid project too... There are lots of us who, for one reason or another find that we have to work very hard to get to where we really want to be...
I suggest that you remember to be very careful since you have made the decision to go dairy free. Dairy is one of the easiest ways of getting calcium via nutrition... I think that the RDA for calcium is about 1200mg for you... it goes up a bit as we get older...
osteoporosis is really unpleasant and something that we want to guard against as we get older - between making older people break bones more easily and get hunchbacked... These are both issues that have effected both my mother and MIL...
Dried fruit and nuts is a really tricky thing because it feels like such a healthy thing to eat - but both are such a lot higher in calories than people would imagine... I'll admit that over Christmas I ate more fruit and nut than I should have and gained weight for it...
You ask about my weight.
I slimmed right the way down to 9 stone in my big project - getting down to goal in 2009. I maintained that well for the next couple of years...
I then had a really stressful couple of years where everything went wrong...
Between 2011 and 2012:
- my MIL (who is now 90) was in hospital for 9 weeks and we had to not only visit her in hospital regularly but do a lot of sorting out at her house
- my husband needed 5 operations which was incredibly stressful as it was quite dangerous as he was over 29 stone (5ft8) - operations are pretty dangerous at that weight...
- my husband changed jobs and we relocated 300 miles as my parents (who are now 95 and 90) were not coping and I have no siblings... we have ended up moving in with my parents...
True to form - when things got very stressful my new habits went out of the window... I was exercising less (busy with other things) and I was eating less carefully... As a PCOS lady - the result was inevitable and I gained weight...
I went up to over 12 stone and came back to the forum at new year... So far I am down to a little under 11 stone...
As a PCOS lady it is a slow process for me though...
I am pretty fit - I wear a pedometer and ensure that I do at least 15,000 steps a day.
I do zumba 4 times a week and salsa 3 times a week.
I am controlled and healthy with my food.
People working on a bikini project have a very valid project too... There are lots of us who, for one reason or another find that we have to work very hard to get to where we really want to be...
I suggest that you remember to be very careful since you have made the decision to go dairy free. Dairy is one of the easiest ways of getting calcium via nutrition... I think that the RDA for calcium is about 1200mg for you... it goes up a bit as we get older...
osteoporosis is really unpleasant and something that we want to guard against as we get older - between making older people break bones more easily and get hunchbacked... These are both issues that have effected both my mother and MIL...
Dried fruit and nuts is a really tricky thing because it feels like such a healthy thing to eat - but both are such a lot higher in calories than people would imagine... I'll admit that over Christmas I ate more fruit and nut than I should have and gained weight for it...
You ask about my weight.
I slimmed right the way down to 9 stone in my big project - getting down to goal in 2009. I maintained that well for the next couple of years...
I then had a really stressful couple of years where everything went wrong...
Between 2011 and 2012:
- my MIL (who is now 90) was in hospital for 9 weeks and we had to not only visit her in hospital regularly but do a lot of sorting out at her house
- my husband needed 5 operations which was incredibly stressful as it was quite dangerous as he was over 29 stone (5ft8) - operations are pretty dangerous at that weight...
- my husband changed jobs and we relocated 300 miles as my parents (who are now 95 and 90) were not coping and I have no siblings... we have ended up moving in with my parents...
True to form - when things got very stressful my new habits went out of the window... I was exercising less (busy with other things) and I was eating less carefully... As a PCOS lady - the result was inevitable and I gained weight...
I went up to over 12 stone and came back to the forum at new year... So far I am down to a little under 11 stone...
As a PCOS lady it is a slow process for me though...
I am pretty fit - I wear a pedometer and ensure that I do at least 15,000 steps a day.
I do zumba 4 times a week and salsa 3 times a week.
I am controlled and healthy with my food.
Hi Omega,
I think you are wrong about calcium. I am into alternative medicine and nutrition and read very widely on the subect: many books and much internet research. I have come to the conclusion that just about every notion we have about nutrition is due to brainwashing by vested interests. State registered dieticians spout this dangerous stuff. For example a little bit of refined sugar is needed for energy. BS! Sugar rots your teeth and gives you diabetes and RUINS your energy. End of story. Likewise with the milk/calcium story. Calcium goes together with Magnesium. Magnesium is needed for calcium to be absorbed properly and calcium drives out magnesium. If you are magnesium deficient and 99% of people are, calcium will not be absorbed properly and without sufficient magnesium the more calcium you get, the more calcium deficient you will become! Studies have shown that big milk drinkers suffer just as much osteoporosis, if not more. The ideal way to get adequate magnesium and calcium in the right combination is to eat plenty of green, leafy vegetables. No problem for me because I eat a large salad bag with my evening meal. I also make home made almond milk, incredibly rich in magnesium.
Read this:
Omega
Moderator
The link that I gave is that of the Office of Dietary Supplements - they are the department authorised by the US government to research and recommend RDAs for various aspects of our diet.
As such they have little in the way of vested interests.
Their recommendation is that a woman aged 62 should have 1200mg calcium.
Their recommendation is that a woman aged 62 should have 320mg magnesium.
What RDAs are you aiming for and what authority suggested your RDAs?
I have to say that I would have difficulty hitting my targets for calcium with leafy green vegetables.
10 cups of lettuce gives
38.5mg magnesium and 99mg calcium
10 cups of spinach gives
237mg magnesium and 297mg calcium
Having both would be a particularly high amount of leafy salad and would take you well on your way to hitting a likely magnesium target...
It would however leave quite a lot of calcium to be gained from almond milk or the other things that you eat / drink.
You mention that your almond milk is home made.
What is the calcium content of 1 litre of almond milk made by your recipe?
While some people are sure to suffer because they are magnesium deficient - it does not follow that a diet that is magnesium sufficient is automatically calcium sufficient.
I can easily understand a decision to avoid dairy if you feel that you have a medical condition which makes it inappropriate. This does not however mean that a supplement may not round off your intake to hit these targets.
We all prefer to hit targets with nutrition alone - but supplements can help when we face a shortfall.
As such they have little in the way of vested interests.
Their recommendation is that a woman aged 62 should have 1200mg calcium.
Their recommendation is that a woman aged 62 should have 320mg magnesium.
What RDAs are you aiming for and what authority suggested your RDAs?
I have to say that I would have difficulty hitting my targets for calcium with leafy green vegetables.
10 cups of lettuce gives
38.5mg magnesium and 99mg calcium
10 cups of spinach gives
237mg magnesium and 297mg calcium
Having both would be a particularly high amount of leafy salad and would take you well on your way to hitting a likely magnesium target...
It would however leave quite a lot of calcium to be gained from almond milk or the other things that you eat / drink.
You mention that your almond milk is home made.
What is the calcium content of 1 litre of almond milk made by your recipe?
While some people are sure to suffer because they are magnesium deficient - it does not follow that a diet that is magnesium sufficient is automatically calcium sufficient.
I can easily understand a decision to avoid dairy if you feel that you have a medical condition which makes it inappropriate. This does not however mean that a supplement may not round off your intake to hit these targets.
We all prefer to hit targets with nutrition alone - but supplements can help when we face a shortfall.
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Hi Omega,
I can see that we get our dietary advice from opposing camps.
For me, any state organisation either in the UK or the US giving dietary advice would be the enemy. Agro business and processed food producers pull all the strings at those agencies. Am I a paranoid conspiracy theorist? No - just a realist. Do you think that businesses that have billion dollar turnovers do not have the means to manipulate us into thinking whatever they want us to? Lets get real here! Do you think that state registered dieticians on high salaries, funded by the taxpayer, are going to do anything other than toe the line. Do a little research - you will find out that I am right. Everything I say is well documented, and not by crazies I might add.
There is no calcium in almonds. It is very high in magnesium and vitamin E as well as other good things so fantastic for the heart. On the minus side it is slighly goiterogenic (bad for the thyroid). This does not affect me because I have a bowl of traditional Japanese broth (made with kelp and shitake mushrooms ) with every meal - very rich in iodine. If you are getting tons of magnesium, the calcium will pretty much look after itself. The quantity of calcium is not so important. Its the quanity of magnesium and the ratio of magnesium to calcium. For proper calcium absorbtion you also need plenty of vitamin D, E, A and K2. I just found out that pretty much all so called raw almonds are now pasteurized as are all seeds and nuts. Ridiculous! All you have to do to get rid of any bacteria is give them a wash in a vinegar solution. There are people who eat 100% raw who must be outraged by that. The only almonds that are truly raw now are Sicilian almonds.
Here is the food profile for almonds: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=20
Regarding milk, here is what you need to know, according to my information:
1. Cows milk is not designed for humans. Even calves are weaned at a certain point. We are the only mammals who are never weaned - and what's more we suckle the milk of another species!
2. Magnesium/calcium argument as above.
3. Even supposing that milk might be beneficial for some people, pasteurized milk is a disaster. If you are going to drink milk, it should be raw milk from one animal that is known to be disease free. Raw milk contains natural probiotics which prevent bad bacteria forming. Pasteurized milk does not have this advantage. Raw milk contains digestive enzymes to digest each constituent of the milk. These enzymes are destroyed during pasteurization. Pasteurized milk may not have any live bacteria, but it will almost certainly have dead ones. Those dead ones will still provoke an immune response.
4. Most of the human population do not have the digestive enzymes to digest milk. No asians for example can drink milk.
5. During 99% of the time spent by homo sapiens on this planet we lived in caves. During that time we did not drink milk. We have not evolved to drink milk. That is why milk is highly allergenic.
Omega
Moderator
You sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist to me - since you ask...
Humans have been having milk for many many centuries. Humans have been thriving on it too.
Many many more people have benefited from milk than have ever claimed health difficulties from it.
I know many Asians who happily drink milk.
It is down to each and every one of us to deduce who we believe to be the crazies out there... I am afraid that we most definitely disagree... You can do what you want with your body.
Frankly - you can shoot your calcium intake down to zero mg - and that is your choice... You are the only one that will benefit or suffer... I have nothing to gain by you suffering from or avoiding health problems associated with a calcium deficiency.
We can each decide which authority we respect and choose to follow... I most definitely think that you have been listening to the crazy folk...
We have no dispute over whether or not we should be hitting the magnesium RDA - for that matter the RDA for vitamin D in order to process the calcium correctly.
Calcium does not take care of itself. There are non-dairy sources of calcium - salmon, beans etc - but it does require planning to get enough if you are going totally non-dairy... You spoke of getting enough by a large portion of leafy green veg and I calculated the amount in a random 20 cups worth which did not come close to the RDA...
While you gave a nutritional profile for almonds - it didn't indicate contributing any calcium.
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There is no calcium in almonds.
The proof of the pudding in the eating. If I was not getting enough calcium as you seem to think, I would be having problems with my teeth. My teeth are perfectly healthy.
1. In previous centuries people drank raw milk not pasteurized.
2. It is possible that in regions of high milk consumption dating back to the neolithic there may be some genetic adaptation. In fact there must be because the populations in those regions in the main produce lactase in adulthood. (Many don't) Asians produce no lactase and are lactose intolerant. To my knowledge there is no history of milk consumption in Asia.
Omega, I like some of your insights into the causes of obesity.
I particularly like this:
However, I think you are too dismissive of my arguments. You should try doing some research around them. It might be an eye opener. There are many different ideas on what constitutes a healthy diet. The "diet dictocrats" dismiss anything other than their "food pyramid" and RDA's as "fad diets". But from my perspective, there is absolutely nothing in their so called "orthodox, science based knowledge" which stands up to serious scientific scrutiny. It is all dogma mostly based on the bad science of the 50's. We know a lot better now. The milk/calcium debate is a case in point.
from here:
Am I getting myself into trouble here? Is this site run by state registered dieticians?
San2
Mod
No, this site is just frequented by people who do their own research and have their own experiences. You are free to voice any opinion you might have (within the realm of what is legally acceptable), and everybody here is free to agree with you or dismiss what you say as complete nonsense.
After reading this thread so far, I personally tend to lean towards the second option - and no, I do not want to discuss it, go into any detail, or follow any links, so please,save yourself the time. You are not the first person with those theories, and won't be the last. I did my homework, checked the facts, and have my own opinion on all of this - which I have no intention of changing.
So, in summary - you're not getting yourself into trouble at all. Unless you have a problem with people disagreeing with you.
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Interesting! So most (all?) of the people on this site follow official guidelines on eating and diet? You say I am "not the first person". So are there others here who have similar opinions or do they not tend to stay very long if they do?
Do you know of any up to date studies on milk/calcium/osteoporosis which would refute my position?
Edited to add: What is your position on refined sugar? Do you think it is necessary in the diet? Or do you think (like me) that it should be totally eliminated without exception?
San2
Mod
I made no statement about which guidelines on eating and diet people follow. I don't know where you deduct that from, but I noticed that you seem to jump to conclusions and/or misread people's statements frequently. To clarify - I do not know what the majority of people does, eating wise. There is a wide variety of people here, who all have their own way of handling things. What I did say was that people have their own opinions, and that there is a chance of them disagreeing with you.
There have been, and are, people who have opinions differing from the 'official guidelines'. Some stay, some don't. I cannot recall anybody sounding as paranoid as you do to be honest. But to each their own - it takes all sorts for the world to go round.
Again with the reading comprehension - I stated clearly that I have no intention of discussing this with you, especially after your first statements on the topic of milk.
As for refined sugar - any person can eat a perfectly healthy diet that includes small amounts of refined sugar. There is no need to 'eliminate' it. Moderation is the key, just as with everything else.