bad health during diets

dave_C1

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OK so about Thurs/Friday last week i started a routine of exercise and diet. today is the following Tuesday and i cant stop coughing. This isn't my first attempt to lose weight and looking back every time i do start to exercise and/or go on a diet, i get ill. what am i doing wrong.

The only logic i can find is that a deficit in calories leaves my body less energy to fight infection with but I'm 50+ Pds over weight so wouldn't it just get that energy from the stored fat?

Nature seems to be conspiring to make me put more weight on. Any help would be massively appreciated. This, for lack of a better phrase is "doin me head in".

Thanks, dave.
 
dave c

First of all I agree with Korrie's suggestion that you speak to a Doctor about this.
At the very least this will rule out any medical/physical reasons.

I will add something to this, but as a separate post because I would want you to act on Korrie's suggestion first.
 
This is meant as complimentary to what your Doctor advises...not alternative.

This may seem a bit "out there" for some, however, it is my belief that our mind/body connection is such that we have a subconscious blueprint of our body in perfect health.
That is 'perfect health' according to the picture in our minds.
If you cut your finger on a bit of paper...what happens after a few days? It heals itself does it not? Yet you don't grow an extra finger there or an ear or leg. Almost as if your body knows what it should look like. Your body is very clever. 50 trillions cells acting in harmony...according to it's belief of what harmony looks like. If we work with our body...it has the capacity to do as we ask.

When you close your eyes and picture yourself....what do you see?

If I asked most 'thin' people, then they would see themselves thin.

Can we change a blueprint by continually creating a new picture in our minds to overcome our earlier programming? I believe we can.
If we don't, then our body will always revert to the blueprint in our head...regardless of what we try. (I believe that is why some peoples experiences of the benefit of different exercise and eating regimes vary so much!)

In addition to what the Doctor says, start working on visualising a slim you. It can only help right?
Give me your thoughts and whether you want to hear more.

(Meantime, speak to the Doctor)

Best wishes
 
That is 'perfect health' according to the picture in our minds.

If you cut your finger on a bit of paper...what happens after a few days? It heals itself does it not? Yet you don't grow an extra finger there or an ear or leg. Almost as if your body knows what it should look like. Your body is very clever. 50 trillions cells acting in harmony...according to it's belief of what harmony looks like. If we work with our body...it has the capacity to do as we ask.s

wow...um actually it is called DNA and evolution. Your body knows what it is suppose to be due to the genetic blueprint.

you are right..that is WAY out there.
 
OK so about Thurs/Friday last week i started a routine of exercise and diet. today is the following Tuesday and i cant stop coughing. This isn't my first attempt to lose weight and looking back every time i do start to exercise and/or go on a diet, i get ill. what am i doing wrong.

The only logic i can find is that a deficit in calories leaves my body less energy to fight infection with but I'm 50+ Pds over weight so wouldn't it just get that energy from the stored fat?

Nature seems to be conspiring to make me put more weight on. Any help would be massively appreciated. This, for lack of a better phrase is "doin me head in".

Thanks, dave.

I cough a lot when I exercise too, but not because I'm sick. I cough because the fluids in my body loosen up and irritate my lungs, so it makes me cough. I think that is a fairly common thing that a lot of people experience.
 
that doestn' make sence to me. I'd talk to a doctor about it if i were you.

the truth is due to my CF im in constant contact with my doctor they have said "its nothing to worry about". unfortunately this isn't a lot of help.

This is meant as complimentary to what your Doctor advises...not alternative.

This may seem a bit "out there" for some, however, it is my belief that our mind/body connection is such that we have a subconscious blueprint of our body in perfect health.
That is 'perfect health' according to the picture in our minds.
If you cut your finger on a bit of paper...what happens after a few days? It heals itself does it not? Yet you don't grow an extra finger there or an ear or leg. Almost as if your body knows what it should look like. Your body is very clever. 50 trillions cells acting in harmony...according to it's belief of what harmony looks like. If we work with our body...it has the capacity to do as we ask.

When you close your eyes and picture yourself....what do you see?

If I asked most 'thin' people, then they would see themselves thin.

Can we change a blueprint by continually creating a new picture in our minds to overcome our earlier programming? I believe we can.
If we don't, then our body will always revert to the blueprint in our head...regardless of what we try. (I believe that is why some peoples experiences of the benefit of different exercise and eating regimes vary so much!)

In addition to what the Doctor says, start working on visualising a slim you. It can only help right?
Give me your thoughts and whether you want to hear more.

(Meantime, speak to the Doctor)

Best wishes

i both agree and disagree with you on this. i believe that our own self image has alot to do with losing weight, yes. BUT i know an awful lot of thin people (in my opinion) whom if i asked how do you see yourself they would say fat.

i personally think that the human body is a totally chaotic thing there is little harmony involved. those trillions of cells that you say communicate actually dont. thats why organ transplants are possible, if they all communicated they'd go "yep (s)hes dead, time to die" and it would be impossible.

on a final note, im as much a philosopher as the next guy but.....what does this have to do with getting ill when i try to lose weight?

thanks for trying.

I cough a lot when I exercise too, but not because I'm sick. I cough because the fluids in my body loosen up and irritate my lungs, so it makes me cough. I think that is a fairly common thing that a lot of people experience.

thanks, there is of course the possibility I'm just being paranoid, cos of my CF i have to be VERY careful about chest infections. it just seemed odd that i dont seem to cough during the exercise itself but usually in bed the night following the exercise.


Thanks everyone for the input, i appreciate it.
 
thanks, there is of course the possibility I'm just being paranoid, cos of my CF i have to be VERY careful about chest infections. it just seemed odd that i dont seem to cough during the exercise itself but usually in bed the night following the exercise.


Thanks everyone for the input, i appreciate it.

I don't cough during my exercise either. It's only after I've finished, showered and rested for a short while that I begin to cough and feel like everything is "loose" in my chest.
 
Hi There!
When I started, especially with cardio, I would cough afterward! I would actually feel like I had a chest cold coming on, and it would last sometimes (depending on how hard I worked) for the evening. So, like Chef said, it might be that.

But always go with what your doctor says, and don't push yourself hard. It's one thing to push yourself through, but it's another thing to over do it. I would always try and look at your heartrate if you're doing cardio. I always make sure my heart rate is between 60%-80%.

I find for me, because I'm just starting out...that it's hard for me to know that fine line between pushing myself too hard, and pushing myself through to the end.

Good luck! :)
 
big thanks for the help again Tik and chef, i think i maybe am just being a little paranoid. but the reassurance is always gratefully received :)
 
dave c

Thank you for appreciating the post was sent with the best of intention.
A few further thoughts. You say the body is a chaotic thing and that cells are not acting in harmony, and yet ........even whilst you read this, your unconscious mind (as I refer to it), is beating your heart, it is regulating your body temperature, it keeps you breathing 24 hours a day (even whilst you sleep) because if left to our conscious mind...we’d forget. Your unconscious mind also creates new cells and casts of old cells, it fights disease, it could be making a baby (maybe not in you!) and it is digesting your food right now! But you do not do that consciously.

There is a lot more going on here than we give credit to. Our conscious mind likes to think it is in charge...but that is debatable. Because we have been taught to be big left-brained conscious thinkers and because our conscious mind will just run and run....it thinks that it is in charge.

Some people are still working purely on Newtonian physics and gene theory...and yet the human genome project established that we barely have more genes than a fruit fly or a roundworm....how can that be if it is our genes that were responsible? Newtonian physics taught us that the atom was the smallest of the building blocks...but we split the atom long ago (hence, x-rays, radioactivity, even my laptop). Quantum physics suggests that we will see what we believe. Epigenetics suggest that that it is not our genes that control our destiny at all....more like the signals (instructions) that we give to our genes. So where do these signals come from.....?

You ask me “what has this to do with getting ill when I try to lose weight?”
Well the initial suggestion was to check for the obvious physical/medical causes. You’ve done this and ruled it out. Your initial post suggested that this wasn’t the first time...that there was a trend here and that you felt like something seemed to be conspiring against you. (You referred to this as Nature).
What I am suggesting is that in addition to what you are currently doing and the steps you are currently taking to exercise and lose weight...change the signals. It doesn’t take much energy, time or money. Just a little bit of deliberate intention. The signals that I refer to...are the pictures we create in our heads combined with what we say to ourselves. If our actions (exercise and changing what we eat) were in opposition to the blueprint that we hold in our head, then our body may react by battling against us!
You know it used to be widely accepted that the Doctor’s bedside manner would influence how quickly the patient got better. How could that be if it were just down to our cells and our genes?
Despite our wonderful advances in western medical science we seem to have forgotten some of the old eastern philosophy of holistic wellbeing. Could we use both side by side, and progress quicker?

I actually have personal experience with something similar to what you described, which is why I took a moment to respond. I hope you continue to take this post in the same well meaning spirit and perhaps even say “what the heck, nothing to lose, let’s give it a try”. That is your choice and I wish you well whatever you choose to do.
I recognise that posting this on here means that some people will have completely different thoughts. We will see what we believe.
Many of the current “diet” solutions effectively sell ‘calories in versus calories out’. You could argue that is the same as saying ‘eat less, move more’. It may be right, but on its own it does not appear to be sufficient for many people. Logically it would be difficult to argue with (and I have no wish to argue with the essence of this logic), but not everything is logical. Sometimes, in order to move forward we have to throw out logic and try a different approach.
Hopefully the fact that some people have said that they experienced the same things, but moved past them, will give you the re-assurance to be able to put your mind at ease.

I repeat...I wish you well and I hope that you quickly and successfully move past this challenge.
 
Hmm....now I'm curious. Even after reading the lengthy post, I am no step closer to figuring out what that has to do with coughing during/after exercise?! :confused:

Btw, I had the same problem, but right after exercise - coughed my lungs out. My doc said it was fluids in the body that loosen up, together with increased breath, and breathing 'the wrong way'. He said it was relative normal, and would ease up once my body got more used to the exercise....which was exactly what happened. Took a few months though.
 
Good luck Dave! :)

On another note- just remember to listen to your body :) It'll tell you a lot about when you're over doing it! But like my PT says, sometimes the pain your feeling is you pushing your own muscles to become stronger! But it is hard to differentiate between muscle bad pain, and muscle good pain :)

Good lucK! And you can do it :)
 
Good luck Dave! :)

On another note- just remember to listen to your body :) It'll tell you a lot about when you're over doing it! But like my PT says, sometimes the pain your feeling is you pushing your own muscles to become stronger! But it is hard to differentiate between muscle bad pain, and muscle good pain :)

Good lucK! And you can do it :)

im experiancing a fair amount of that pain at the moment haha

thanks for the encouragement Tik, your a star ;)

@Weightwizard, its all interesting mate, think it would be better suited to another thread though. thanks for your input :)
 
big thanks for the help again Tik and chef, i think i maybe am just being a little paranoid. but the reassurance is always gratefully received :)

Davey its better to be save then sorry I agree you should go have it checked out. I have coughed sometimes, but I have asthma, so it is normal for me. You have been hurting in your arm and shoulder too, right. Time to see a doctor!!
 
Hi Dave, Welcome to the forum.

You say you cough, get ill and have low energy when you try to diet. Due to having CF what you're eating could make a difference since CF does affect your absorption of nutrients. There are many nutrients we have to take in daily through our diets and many of these are the ones that help fight off infections. You can't just live off the fat in your body, you can be overweight and still have malnutrition.

Are you overweight because of what you eat or is it due to medication, or maybe a combination of both? Are you working with a nutritionist. What does you DR. say about your diet? Does your DR, have a diet plan for losing weight with CF? If your not able to see a nutritionist or dietitian then maybe you can find the information for dietary guidelines for weight loss on line at sites like CF Foundation. Don't try to lose your weight too fast by cutting down on things your body needs.

On the exercise part since your DR. says not to worry about the increased coughing then maybe you just need to start out slowly with less intensity until your lungs can build up. If possible can you go to a physical therapist familiar with CF to be evaluated and get you started at the right level for you?

Losing weight and exercising is a challenge for anyone and with CF it's even more so for you. This is a good forum for support. Be careful of the 'advice' you see here, much of it is well intended but many people here don't understand the specific needs and problems for someone with CF.

Keep posting and let us know how your doing. Good luck with your weight loss.

Lynn
 
Davey its better to be save then sorry I agree you should go have it checked out. I have coughed sometimes, but I have asthma, so it is normal for me. You have been hurting in your arm and shoulder too, right. Time to see a doctor!!

only pain in shoulders and arms is from dumbbell work :) i have cystic fibrosis so am in a similar situation to yourself with asthma.
the cough has faded off a bit now so I'm just gonna push through it. if it gets worse again ill go see the quack :)

thanks for the help.
 
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