Anthony Ellis program?
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Hey everyone.. just did a search for "anthony ellis" and this thread came up.
I know it might look like every other "OMG GAIN WEIGHTZZ!!~1!!"-Program out there, but really it is not.
There are no magical secrets and no fancy tricks. Just straight up honest information that is perfect for those new to body building and those who are already well versed.
I'm on his program and I wouldnt be repping something if I was not a believer.
I've had fantastic success and I feel that my knowledge has increased immensly because of his manual and because of the Gaining Mass Forum.
It is targeted mainly for ectomorphs/hardgainers, but the knowledge and layouts are all there in easy to understand form. There are lots of books out there that can teach you about training and dieting and everything...
But you will hard pressed to find one that has EVERYTHING you get with this program..
Anyhow, I love it.. And I would pay 3 times as much for the program had I known what I was getting..
I know it might look like every other "OMG GAIN WEIGHTZZ!!~1!!"-Program out there, but really it is not.
There are no magical secrets and no fancy tricks. Just straight up honest information that is perfect for those new to body building and those who are already well versed.
I'm on his program and I wouldnt be repping something if I was not a believer.
I've had fantastic success and I feel that my knowledge has increased immensly because of his manual and because of the Gaining Mass Forum.
It is targeted mainly for ectomorphs/hardgainers, but the knowledge and layouts are all there in easy to understand form. There are lots of books out there that can teach you about training and dieting and everything...
But you will hard pressed to find one that has EVERYTHING you get with this program..
Anyhow, I love it.. And I would pay 3 times as much for the program had I known what I was getting..
"If you are a hardgainer too, most advice will be useless to you unless it specifically addresses your body type and metabolism."
that sounds like a load of bull to me :S its harder to gain when being a hard gainer.. i am one myself, but i have had progress. I mean, do we have different muscles? dont we work the same way? isent it all the same, only that its a bit slower with us? atleast when it comes to the basic rules of recovery: compound exersices, rep ranges and what percent of 1RM to use and so on? you know what i mean.. or are we ailiens and should do 400 reps of leg press over 30 sets?
that sounds like a load of bull to me :S its harder to gain when being a hard gainer.. i am one myself, but i have had progress. I mean, do we have different muscles? dont we work the same way? isent it all the same, only that its a bit slower with us? atleast when it comes to the basic rules of recovery: compound exersices, rep ranges and what percent of 1RM to use and so on? you know what i mean.. or are we ailiens and should do 400 reps of leg press over 30 sets?
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For all you young newbies out there...Anthony Eillis was one of the first contestants to win the EAS spokesperson (body-for-Life) challenge in 1996. He, along with 9 other contestants, submitted before & after photos to Bill Phillips (who at that time owned EAS). The grand prize was 1 million dollars and a lamborghini car.
Anthony was a small framed hard-gainer and he became popular becasue he put on like 35 pounds of muscle mass. So what did he do? He created a website, like so many medicore trainers do and tried selling his exercise tips. Is his infomation any better than anyone else's? NOooooo. Is he an expert? NOooooo....so what is all the fuss about???
Anthony was a small framed hard-gainer and he became popular becasue he put on like 35 pounds of muscle mass. So what did he do? He created a website, like so many medicore trainers do and tried selling his exercise tips. Is his infomation any better than anyone else's? NOooooo. Is he an expert? NOooooo....so what is all the fuss about???
I am not a newbie and never knew who this guy was but from the below quote from his makes him a VERY un-educated individual.
"What I finally discovered after years of failed effort is that most pros are not only gifted with good genetics (i.e., they can gain muscle or lose fat easier than most people), they also enhance their results with illegal hormones and steroids.
Because of this, they can train harder, eat whatever they want and still get great results. Using their training methods and advice would never work for my body type because I don't use steroids. I never want to."
"What I finally discovered after years of failed effort is that most pros are not only gifted with good genetics (i.e., they can gain muscle or lose fat easier than most people), they also enhance their results with illegal hormones and steroids.
Because of this, they can train harder, eat whatever they want and still get great results. Using their training methods and advice would never work for my body type because I don't use steroids. I never want to."
Karky said:
No, its not the same. Hardgainers are in a league all of their own.
Hardgainers can not train as frequently as mesomorphs, our recovery time is really quite slow in comparison. A big problem that uneducated ectomorphs face is over training. They think that by getting in the gym 6 days a week and staying there for 2 hours each time is going to propell them into muscle heaven. When in fact, we require more rest than the average meso..
We also require more calories because our metabolisms are much quicker. Duh, you need more cals to grow.. You need a surplus. BUT since we burn our cals so much faster than non-hardgainers, we have to pack away even more cals to see gains in LBM.
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Its typical to knock something like this because EVERYONE IS A FRIGGIN GURU when it comes to body building.. everyone know how to lift and how to eat.
AE's program doesn thave anything radical or any magic pills.. Just straight up SOLID info condensed into an easy to read, easy to follow program. And it works. No bullspit.
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Are you a member of the program?
Have you read the manual? Have you browsed the private forums?
Have you talked to any of the people who have had success from the program? (other than me).
Im amazed at how ready and willing people are to dismiss the value of having a sh*tload of research condensed into easy reading form.
If you know everything you need to change your body, then thats wicked, you dont need the program. No one does..
Have you read the manual? Have you browsed the private forums?
Have you talked to any of the people who have had success from the program? (other than me).
Im amazed at how ready and willing people are to dismiss the value of having a sh*tload of research condensed into easy reading form.
If you know everything you need to change your body, then thats wicked, you dont need the program. No one does..
niceone said:
3x a week full body routine. thats what ive been adviced. its atleast 48 hours between each workout, which is ok, you actually dont always need that much even.. i dont know if its such a good idea for fast gainers either to do 6 days a week for 2 hours.. its not if what i have heard is correct
Guys like Craig Ballentine, LV (on our site), Lyle MacDonald (Bodyrecomposition.com), standapart(on our site), etc will train you for cheaper and have good knowledge. Heck, even Charles Staley will workout something cheaper than that and he's been in the iron training game for a looooongggg time. Heck, I've even been known to take on a client or three everyonce in awhile.
Not that I'm knocking you as a hardgainer but nearly half of the people that train tell me that they are a hardgainer. I'm sorry but it's really simple...you eat until you start gaining weight, you train hard in the gym 3-4 times a week with a good, sound, structured program, and get plenty of rest. The rest will take care of itself.
Again, not knocking you but I hear all the time that "I eat a lot and don't gain weight." I challenge them to count calories and when they do, they might come up with a whooping 2200-2700 calories at max. The average male that trains hard and is active is going to need in the high 3000 to low 5000 calories depending on activity level. I'll put it this way...take a 5'9" guy weighing 180 pounds that is about 25 years old and works out with weights and cardio 5-6 times a week and we're looking at ~3500 calories just for maintenence (give or take a couple hundred).
The other thing that bugs me sometimes is that these guys that charge a lot have the same information that a lot of us that charge very little or don't even charge at all for training or information. However, I guess if you put a high price tag on your name then it looks like you're good.
Some trainers/coaches can charge because of their name (Thib, Pendlay, Simmons, Tate, etc) and can do so because they are in high demand.
Not that I'm knocking you as a hardgainer but nearly half of the people that train tell me that they are a hardgainer. I'm sorry but it's really simple...you eat until you start gaining weight, you train hard in the gym 3-4 times a week with a good, sound, structured program, and get plenty of rest. The rest will take care of itself.
Again, not knocking you but I hear all the time that "I eat a lot and don't gain weight." I challenge them to count calories and when they do, they might come up with a whooping 2200-2700 calories at max. The average male that trains hard and is active is going to need in the high 3000 to low 5000 calories depending on activity level. I'll put it this way...take a 5'9" guy weighing 180 pounds that is about 25 years old and works out with weights and cardio 5-6 times a week and we're looking at ~3500 calories just for maintenence (give or take a couple hundred).
The other thing that bugs me sometimes is that these guys that charge a lot have the same information that a lot of us that charge very little or don't even charge at all for training or information. However, I guess if you put a high price tag on your name then it looks like you're good.
Some trainers/coaches can charge because of their name (Thib, Pendlay, Simmons, Tate, etc) and can do so because they are in high demand.
i would never pay for something like that because it would be a waste of money, sorry but it is. its kind of like paying 50 dollars for a supplement with bells and whistles when the cheaper one will do the same thing.
you can get quality information for free on this board and others like it. plus the books i mentioned earlier would be a better buy.
again, i would not recommend anyone buying this
you can get quality information for free on this board and others like it. plus the books i mentioned earlier would be a better buy.
again, i would not recommend anyone buying this
Karky said:
Yeah I would advise against working out for over 1 hour and 15 mins anyhow, your body pretty much goes into a CATABOLIC state by that point anyhow and what your body needs is a quick shot of HG carbs to spike insulin replenish glycogen stores..
Im usually in the gym for 1 hour and I come in, see guys working out, and then leave and say bye to them and they are like "dude, you just got here!"
I say " I get in, and I get out.." Long drawn out workouts are counter-productive, unless you are on enhancers.
3 times a week, each major muscle group hit HARD once, abs twice. Working like a charm for me
