Advice

I'm looking for what you believe to be the most wise decision here. I posted something else in a different post that stated some of these facts, but I'm going to repeat anyways.

My current stats are:

Height 5'9
Weight 300
Waste Size 44

My stats in the past were

Weight 275
Waste Size 40

Right now for a workout, I am doing a rather long workout, and I bike for around 30-60 minutes also.

That being said, I think I used to have a decent frame, meaning I could gain muscle back rather quickly, as stated before. Also, I have genetics on my side.

I read that 1 pound of new pure muscle burns an extra 50 calories. I think I should be able to put 15-20 pounds of muscle back on in a decent period of time if I was to eat right for the muscle gaining. So in theory, that would be an extra 750-1000 calories per day I would be burning.

My main goal is to lose weight, but in the past I have always expected it to happen overnight. So this time around, I want to take it slow, and try to do everything that I should do to make it come off. (Also, I'll add, I've read about what I should do as far as diets and exercise for both gaining and losing, my main concern is what I should focus on.)

So, do you think I should try to put the muscle back on first, then try to lose fat while retaining as much muscle as possible, or should I get right into really cutting calories back, and biking as much as possible? (In the long run, which way will burn the most calories?)
 
You appear to have gained weight and your waist size has increased to an unhealthy level. I don't know what you mean you have "genetics on your side" when you could be classed as obese.

1. Get a reliable body fat test.
2. Calculate a diet deficit.
3. Combine Cardio and Weights (Too much cardio and you will lose both muscle and fat. See an example.)
 
In my area, I need to travel quite a ways to calculate my body fat.

And also, when writing this post, my main intentions were to find advice as posted about the question asked. I know I am obese, and I know I am unhealthy. People have been telling me that since I was a kid. I am not trying to join a forum so people can tell me how unhealthy I am. Sorry to come off arrogant or angry here, but it gets tiresome.
 
If it were me, I'd focus on maintaining the lean muscle you have now and lose the fat.

Some key things to focus on would be:

-Determine your caloric/macronutrient needs. There are tons of online calculators you can use to determine your needs.
-Determine a training routine that is sensible and reasonable for your life schedule ensuring to focus on both Cardio and Weight lifting.

For fat loss I usually set my diet up this way:

TRAINING DAY
M1
Lean protein/Complex Carb/Fibrous Veggie

M2
Lean protein/Healty Fat/Fibrous Veggie

M3
Lean protein/Healty Fat/Fibrous Veggie

M4 - Pre workout meal
Lean protein/Complex carb/Fibrous Veggie

Train

M5 - Post workout meal
Whey Protein powder with either Waxy Maize or Dextrose

M6
Lean protein/Complex carb/Fibrous Veggie

On NON-Workout days I replace M4,5,6 with Lean protein/Healty Fat/Fibrous Veggie and one day per week I utilize a clean carb re-feed which consists M1-M4 Lean protein/Complex carb/Fibrous Veggie then M5 and 6 Lean protein/Healty Fat/Fibrous Veggie.

Don't drive yourself crazy trying to figure everything out at once though. My best advice would be to post your planned diet approach and training approach and let people tweak it if need be.

And at the end of the day, yes it is important on how you set everything up, however being consistent on what you have setup is going to make or break you in terms of progress. So stay consistent and you will see change.
 
Thanks. For weight training, should I continue to lift heavy weights, or use weights to get 10-12 reps?

Also, for a ratio between cardio and weight lifting, should it be 50/50, or should I focus more on one than the other?
 
Thanks. For weight training, should I continue to lift heavy weights, or use weights to get 10-12 reps?

Also, for a ratio between cardio and weight lifting, should it be 50/50, or should I focus more on one than the other?

If I were you I'd keep it moderate to heavy in the 8-10 rep range but MAKE SURE you keep a very close eye on fatigue, dehydration, etc as those can be warning signs of overtraining yourself and you certainly don't want to do that right off the bat.

I'm a 4 day split kind of guy so I weight train 4 nights per week and cardio 5-7 days per week but only when i'm trying to lose fat. There are millions of training routines out there so my best advice would be to pick a beginner one and stick with it for 12 weeks along with your diet approach and go from there. You'll know withing the first few weeks if eveerything is falling into place and if you are making progress. Also, know that I've tampered with different diets for years so I know exactly what my body needs to avoid overtraining, keeping lean tissue, and losing fat all at the same time.

Your diet is going to play the biggest role in your progress so I'd focus on that more than anything else at this point. And the most important thing you can do for yourself is be consistent and patient! Starting a new plan can get very frustrating and detour a person from even wanting to start due to all the different mindsets/methods out there.

So even though people have different opinions and view on what works and what doesn't, we will all agree that being patient and consistent will produce progress.
 
Your diet is going to play the biggest role in your progress so I'd focus on that more than anything else at this point. And the most important thing you can do for yourself is be consistent and patient! Starting a new plan can get very frustrating and detour a person from even wanting to start due to all the different mindsets/methods out there.

So even though people have different opinions and view on what works and what doesn't, we will all agree that being patient and consistent will produce progress.

Fantastic advice, LV. :)
Just to reiterate, mecalder: At this point in time, a good diet will contribute to almost 90% of your progress. I think you're on the right track when you say that adding muscle will burn fat, however being that you're in the "newbie" stage, you can do both at the same time. Take advantage of these qualities is to do a combination of cardio and FBW, which will ensure that you build muscle as you tear down the fat.
Best of luck to. :)
 
You've gotten some GREAT advice form LV & Hardy B. Let me try to add to it.

When I started I was about 270 and I'm at 5' 8"...so I know where you're coming from, we probably have similar builds. I also started with a lot of biking and messed with weights as well. Let's do this:

Right now for a workout, I am doing a rather long workout, and I bike for around 30-60 minutes also. ?)

Biking is GREAT exercise. It's relatively low-impact and it utilizes your largest muscles in the body...burning some good calories! My bike rides kept getting longer until they were about 3 hours....you worked upto it, it's great. Some people would argue with this, but I found that after an hour you were kinda in a "golden zone"....with your glycogen being tapped to some degree, the body will really start tapping into the fat reserves! burn baby, burn!!! :SaiyanSmilie_anim:

I'd also like to suggest trying some swimming. It's the ultimate in low-impact, it's very refreshing after a bike-ride and it'll then work your upper body for cardio. And everyone knows how woman are so fond of "swimmers bodies" :D

That being said, I think I used to have a decent frame, meaning I could gain muscle back rather quickly, as stated before. Also, I have genetics on my side. ?)

I think this statement was misunderstood earlier. You're an endomorph/mezomorph.....you can put-on muscle easily.

Let me warn you right now: I spent my first month doing crazy-hard mountain bike rides, working-out and really pushing it hard. When I got on the scale it showed a gain!!! I almost cried, but then my nutritionist pulled-out the body-fat calipers and we found I had dropped a ton of body-fat!! :) Be warned, you will put-on muscle and it can offset (on the scale) your fat-loss. Don't focus on the scale...that springy bitch will ruin your day every time! Measure yourself, take body-fat readings, take pictures....but don't get hung-up on the scale! #1 lucky-best advice I can offer ya! Muscle weighs more then fat!

and HELL-YEAH, you can easily lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time; don't let anyone tell you differently! (more on that later)

I read that 1 pound of new pure muscle burns an extra 50 calories. I think I should be able to put 15-20 pounds of muscle back on in a decent period of time.

Recent research shows that different muscle burns different amounts of calories, and the worse news: while previous studies sugggested that muscle can burn upto 50 calories per day just sitting on your body, newer studies (I can source the info if you want), now suggest that figure was way too high. Turns-out muscle on the body only burns between 5-20 calories per pound per day. That's what the expert told me and he's good.

And despite your ability to build muscle, it'll take quite a bit of time to put-on that much muscle.

Just FYI; the main reason we do weight-training while dieting is to place a "toll" on our muscles and let our bodies know that, despite the calorie deficit, that we need our muscles and don't skin 'em to reduce the caloric demands and lack of calories our bodies are faced with! Your body doesn't know you're intentionall trying to lose weight...it'll adapt in many ways and some of that is to lighten the load: bye-bye lean muscle tissue! You can maintain this lean muscle by simply using them...and you don't have to lift until your face turns red and you puke. Reseach shows it takes very little to keep the muscle.

Also FYI, it's not that our metabolism slows down as we age, it's that as we age we lose lean muscle tissue...so we need to eat less, yet we eat the same....so that's why most people get fatter as they get older!

Okay, moving along....

My main goal is to lose weight, but in the past I have always expected it to happen overnight. So this time around, I want to take it slow, and try to do everything that I should do to make it come off. (Also, I'll add, I've read about what I should do as far as diets and exercise for both gaining and losing, my main concern is what I should focus on.)?)

What you've been told is correct; just eat less and get some exercise in. At this point you really just wanna lose fat and maintain or even gain a bit of muscle. It took a while to get there and it'll take a while to get off. And let me assure you of something: watching yourself lose weight is like trying to look in the mirror and see your hair grow....YOU WON'T SEE IT. I lost some 40-pounds and swore I saw no difference in the mirror! This is a long-haul project, but the long trail is initiated with the first step. For more philosophy do a search on "Chillen" ;)

So, do you think I should try to put the muscle back on first, then try to lose fat while retaining as much muscle as possible, or should I get right into really cutting calories back, and biking as much as possible? (In the long run, which way will burn the most calories?)

Stick with the advice you've been given. Get yourself into a 20% calorie deficit and exercise as much as possible. Weight-train to maintain muscle, push hard and you'll gain some too. I'd suggest weight-training about 2-3x per week and hitting cardio about as much as you can stand!

But understand this....it's much easier to lose weight by dieting then it is by exercising....and don't accidently let your massive exercise mistakenly lead you to believe you can eat big.

Shooting from the hip, I'd suggest about 1,750 to 2,000 calories per day. Whatever calories you burn in exercise, you eat 20-30% of those calories (burn 1,000 calories on the bike, you can eat an extra 200-300 calories that day).

If (and when) you succeed in losing the weight, it'll be the greatest thing you've ever done for yourself...and with each day it'll get easier and easier.

Welcome to the forum. Initiation complete; please cop an attitude and prepare to be bitch-slapped by the boys! :D
 
Height 5'9
Weight 300
Waste Size 44

So, do you think I should try to put the muscle back on first, then try to lose fat while retaining as much muscle as possible, or should I get right into really cutting calories back, and biking as much as possible? (In the long run, which way will burn the most calories?)

You probably already have quite a bit of muscle -- moving 300 pounds on a frequent basis requires muscle strength. However, you may not feel that strong because your muscles are already "used up" moving your 300 pounds around.

Ideally, you'll try to maintain as much of your muscle strength as you can as you lose the body fat. That likely means including some weight training, as others have mentioned. Otherwise, your muscles will "notice" that they no longer have to carry as much load as you lose body fat and shrink.

To add to BikeSwimLaugh said about not using the weight scale as the sole measure of progress, I know someone who was frustrated by seeming lack of progress as measured by the scale. But then he mentioned that he was able to pull his belt in one notch more from where he was pulling it in before he started exercising.

Some things you can do to check progress.

1. Take body fat measurements. Always use the same method(s) under the same conditions if you want comparable numbers.
2. Take waist measurements (at around navel level). A reasonable goal for general health is to get down to 50% or less of your height; athletes may go lower, perhaps around 46%.
3. Take pictures of yourself every so often and compare pictures.
 
Another good way to guage your progress is by looking into the eyes of the owners when you walk into a buffet-style restaurant; the less terrified they look, the better! :D
 
Another good way to guage your progress is by looking into the eyes of the owners when you walk into a buffet-style restaurant; the less terrified they look, the better! :D

Sometimes, skinny guys can eat quite a bit (Takeru Kobayashi before the Nathan's hot dog eating contest):

kobayashi03.jpg
 
Touche'.....cute girl too! ;)
 
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