Abs

Beans.
its morning here, Im at work.
Dont worry about spelling mine has got to be the worst on the whole site.

Pung - not sure of spelling, Chinese word, meaning to be full and strong, like a baloon is full, the air takes a full shape and used its body(rubber) to its full potential. But you can never punch the baloon hard, because it is so light. The baloon does not avoid your fist, but when you make contact it moves away faster than you can travel forward. Im not gonna start talknig about Baloon karate, but we studies baloons and how thay move in class for years, just like the chinese studied animals. They can be very very interesting.

any how, I believe that kata is the only way to teach you good pung. to be full in movement.
 
abercrombiedude said:
I do JKD.
Boxers do many many cunches it is a known fact, also I used to know friends who boxed. Even millitary men. I have a friend in the military I know now and he has to do 100s of crunches non stop. But if there is a way to get abdominals more quicker and effiecently with variations, why do 1000 crunches and over is all that I am saying? Would this prohibit someone to new levels of strength or help? I know that the apperence of abs is all in a low BF%(DIET) but for strength is in the training low reps high reisistance long rest periods. For me I do my abs high repetitions, quick low , almost no rest periods, enough resistance to complete my sets.
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when i did boxing..we had amatuer state and national champions in more than 1 weight division and age group, at the boxing gym i attended and i can say without any doubt that no-one at my gym did they do more than 30 - 40 situps in 1 session..guys mainly did 3x30sets holding weights.
 
Thank you thatozzieguy.

Manofkent I think you get an idea of what I am talking about.

LeiYunFat you are a complete idiot about this. You totally twisted my question around and assumed to think you know my type of skill, friends, and what I know. Think what you want, see if I give a ****. All that counts to me and billions of others, as far as martial arts JKD is the way.
 
What? Im compleatly with LeiYunFat on this.

JKD is not the way. Bruce Lee was very very clever and he knew that america was not ready for Wing Chun, so he "tonned it down", made it easyer to learn, took out the forms/kata which americans would have thort boring.
What Bruce Lee did was nothing new to china, only Americans who had not seen it before. All he did was basically take a Gong fu system, stripped it down to make it simple and put his name on it.

He turned Wing Chun in to a product and sold it.

Now there is no doubt that he was good, and he used his skills to sell jkd. To us Bruce Lee was the best, but back in China he was average. There are and have always been martial artists 10x better than Bruce Lee. Its just that he had an opertunity and he was clever.
 
The thing with JKD is that each instructors class is different. Even the students under Bruce Lee teach a bit of a different cirriculum depending on what their style emphasis is in. I think Dan teaches it with a Kali flavor and has some good stuff but is different than what Ron teaches.

Don't get me wrong, JKD is some good stuff but not the be-all-end-all. I'm completely burnt on forms from TKD and like the application aspects of MMA, American Kenpo, and Hapkido with a bit of Kendo here and there. I've been spending more time with MMA because I like the ground-n-pound and sprawl-n-brawl stuff.
 
evolution said:
The thing with JKD is that each instructors class is different. Even the students under Bruce Lee teach a bit of a different cirriculum depending on what their style emphasis is in.
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Yeah thats true, mainly because they dont have a proper cirriculum to go by.

I compleatly understand why most of the chinese martial arts dont have a grading system. due to the fact that everyone is a student, and so everyone should be equal and becuase there are diffrent skill levels in diffrent aspects of the arts. So most of the time its divided in to begginers, advanced, teacher, grandmaster and holymen.

However when people are training in a class and have full time jobs, they only train a few hour a week. so you have many diffrent skill levels, which makes it hard to teach. However with the japanese grading system, its easyer to teach "once-or-twice-a-week" classes cos you hav a sylabus to work from.

I think there is the same problem with most chinese martial arts because of this. Thats why there are thousands of ging fu styles. Not a bad thing. but for people like us who travel and comunicate, we pick up conflicting infomation. However when I go to a karate seminar I know that people from the same style do things the same as me.

But then there is the whole - martial arts should be individual to the person and whatnot. But thats a compleatly diffrent subject. Im just talking about why all his students teach diffrently - its cos there was no sylabus.
 
abercrombiedude,
I won't address any of your martial arts questions as I am not a martial artist, but I can speak with some authority to the abs question.

Crunches/sit-ups are not the best way to build abs. Sometimes they are nice to spice up a routine, but they should be the foundation, nor should they be done in such high rep schemes. 500 reps is possibly even counterproductive. Have you ever watched the people in the gym going into the abs class? Want to guess what one thing they ALL have in common? Not one six-pack among them!

Activate your core muscles through full body movements. You can't leave abs out of a chin-up (try it if you don't believe me). If you want to thicken the muscle wall, this is really the only way. If you want to do a targetted exercise, do something heavy that you can barely do for 10 reps. Abs are like any other muscle... To make them stronger and bigger, you have to perform movements that recruit the type of motor units that have the greatest potential for strength/size, which is type II motor units.
 
manofkent said:
What? Im compleatly with LeiYunFat on this.

JKD is not the way. Bruce Lee was very very clever and he knew that america was not ready for Wing Chun, so he "tonned it down", made it easyer to learn, took out the forms/kata which americans would have thort boring.
What Bruce Lee did was nothing new to china, only Americans who had not seen it before. All he did was basically take a Gong fu system, stripped it down to make it simple and put his name on it.

He turned Wing Chun in to a product and sold it.

Now there is no doubt that he was good, and he used his skills to sell jkd. To us Bruce Lee was the best, but back in China he was average. There are and have always been martial artists 10x better than Bruce Lee. Its just that he had an opertunity and he was clever.
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i always thought Bruce Lee was from Hong Kong
 
Abercrombiedude everything about you reeks of ignorance. Don't come to me with your dumbass aggressions. If you want to get this defensive about your foolish notions, then the only way you're going to learn is if those you and your friends end up with your asses whipped in the gutter, while your JKD trainers laugh all the way to the bank. You're only being destructive towards yourself-- setting yourself up for great dissappointment by putting these people and things on pedistals where they don't belong.

I'm trying to help you out by giving you a dose of reality. You're living in a dreamland. And go ahead, try and tell me I don't know **** about you, but I probably know alot more than you'd think. You're technique is sloppy, you can't handle yourself on the ground. When you fight, you get so flustered and amped you don't know what you're doing. You're more interested kissing the wrong people's asses to even know what you're learning. You like to dance around like Bruce Lee in his movies. You're into conditioning, but only the kind you think is important. You fantisize about getting into street fights to prove you're the best. But in reality, you'd never start **** because you don't wanna get your own blood on your $600 vintage tee that looks like it came off the back of a hobo.

The only one who knows I am right is you. And I'll bet good money I am. But who knows? You could be the next Bruce Lee, right? Yeah, man...
 
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thatozzieguy said:
i always thought Bruce Lee was from Hong Kong
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You quoted my whole post, just to say that?
is that all you could come up with.

Where is hong kong if its not in china? I understand that us Brits had rule of it for 100 years but the Chinese have rule over it now.
 
If you are only doing crunches or sit ups the you are not getting everything out of your abs that you can. DOing that many every day and in just one way is an invitation to injury. My colllege roomate boxed in local venues for years. Although he did many, many situps, he did not do them everyday and he did as many variations as I had ever seen. Doing hundreds of sit ups at one time is for show and endurance.
 
Weighted ab exercises are one approach. There's also ab exercises that are higher in difficulty than your standard crunch as an alternative. I've been training in muay thai for a few years and I tend to do exercises such as physio ball: crunches, rotations, jacknifes and vertical crunches. I'm also a fan of the oldschool leg raise, preferably hanging. Janda sit-ups are also a good one for me. You can of course add weights to almost all of these, especially the physio (swiss) ball exercises, for a serious kick. I personally prefer not to work out my core with weights because of silly kickboxer superstitions about muscle development. That and I haven't reached a point in my training where it's become necessary for progress.
 
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