clutch70706
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AIt's not math it's English. I said "low" not "completely". See dictionary dot com for definitions of both or either words.
"A calorie is not always just a calorie" !!!???
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AAgree with Jericho.
I could sit down and educate you for a while....considering that I have learned a huge amount in the last 5 years, plus the basic knowledge of human physiology that comes with having been a nurse for nearly 15 years now. I could dissect your idea about insulin spikes, the danger of eliminating entire food groups and the danger of taking in more protein than your body can process, but you know what?
I won't. You made up your mind, and your snide remarks and downright arrogant comments make it perfectly clear that you are not interested in a conversation or a debate, your mind is set and you will not accept anything that doesn't go conform with what worked for you personally. Just a hint...just because it worked for you, it doesn't mean it will work for anybody else. I have lost nearly 200 lbs with plenty of carbohydrates in my diet, and not a whole lot of exercise, but I would never claim that this is the way to go for anybody else but me.
In any case, thanks for the well wishes, and well done on the weight loss.
I could sit down and educate you for a while....considering that I have learned a huge amount in the last 5 years, plus the basic knowledge of human physiology that comes with having been a nurse for nearly 15 years now. I could dissect your idea about insulin spikes, the danger of eliminating entire food groups and the danger of taking in more protein than your body can process, but you know what?
I won't. You made up your mind, and your snide remarks and downright arrogant comments make it perfectly clear that you are not interested in a conversation or a debate, your mind is set and you will not accept anything that doesn't go conform with what worked for you personally. Just a hint...just because it worked for you, it doesn't mean it will work for anybody else. I have lost nearly 200 lbs with plenty of carbohydrates in my diet, and not a whole lot of exercise, but I would never claim that this is the way to go for anybody else but me.
In any case, thanks for the well wishes, and well done on the weight loss.
finerhealth
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I just want to add 2 points-
1> for some people, less carbs and more potein+fat diet works but for some not. It depends on type of metabolism.
2> when multiple foods are combined in a meal, we still don't 100% know about the combined effect. They might be different than the combination of sole effects of each items. That's why, calories are not equal. Different effects might occur inside our body with different combinations of foods. In this situation, calorie really lose it's high importance.
Jericho
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Well technically, we have survived on processed foods (the human race isn't dying off) but it's certainly not advised to eat them. As far as the nurses Heath Study, I saw it and while I'd like to see what comes of the second and third studies, I agree that what you eat means something too..however, when it comes to actual weight loss...it really is math. Weight loss and health are two different animals that do connect but not exactly links.
You can eat healthy and be overweight while you can lose weight and eat complete crap making you sick and unhealthy. The key is reaching the balance between the two.
You can eat healthy and be overweight while you can lose weight and eat complete crap making you sick and unhealthy. The key is reaching the balance between the two.
I'd like to join the discussion but please do not bash me. I am calorie conscious myself. Most of the time, I use the calorie counter app on my ANdroid phone whenever I eat something. Then when i go to the gym, I make sure that I burned all the calories I've consumed. Is this normal?
Jericho
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hmm not really. See, first off, unless you barely eat anything, you will never do enough exercise to burn off everything you consumed. Second, is this the way you think you can live your life? You want a calorie deficit but you don't want one like that. Make smart choices in what you what you eat and you don't have to treat yourself with a 0 sum viewpoint
Ansilatoms
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My own experience has been that during a low carb intake, I didn't lose a pound, if I still ate the same quantities. If I cut calories/quantities, I lost weight...if I cut calories and avoided carbs, I lost weight faster.
A calorie is a calorie, it's a scientific measurement of energy available in the food and cannot be disputed.
What can change is your bodies ability to absorb those calories properly, that can lead to you getting less calories from certain types of foods than others, even when the calorie value is listed as the same, however what is vitally important is that the calories you get is never MORE than what is listed on the product (or shouldn't be, legally speaking).
I've been calorie counting for about 35 weeks now and I've lost about 60lbs total, every single week I've calibrated my calories vs my loss and on average (ignoring natural daily/weekly fluctuations in weight) the calories vs weight lost is highly correlated with a 3500 calorie deficit = 1lb of weight.
I don't eat an especially healthy diet, I try and have at least 1 piece of fruit a day, and try and have some frozen mixed veg with every meal but other than that I eat pretty unhealthy foods, steak/chips/ribs/chicken wings/pizza, usually 1 takeaway per week. It's maintainable because I skip breakfast and have light lunches of only usually a salad, then eat one large meal at the end of the day.
Once you get past the hunger of low calorie diet, weight loss actually becomes pretty trivial, I don't need to hit the gym, I can eat whatever I like, the moderation just needs to be right, a lot of that comes from keeping an eye on the calories of the food you like and finding alternatives you can enjoy but aren't as calorie dense, for example I would never advise just going cold turkey on things like fizzy drinks, switch to diet or non-sugar and reap the low calorie reward, it's not especially very good for you but if you're like me and your only goal is weight loss then it's a very practical way of coping. Actually a lot of my weight loss has come from microwave meals, again not especially good for you in terms of general health but they're a predictable amount of calories and you can get some really low cal ones which help tremendously with managing weight.
Calories are calories, that's the great thing about science and measuring the energy content of food is that it's highly reliable and backed with verifiable data unlike almost all other health advice which is anecdotal at best. I can guzzle Pepsi Max because it's about 1 calorie per 250ml and satisfy my sweet tooth and it has no measureable effect on my diet, some weeks I'll have about 4x 2l bottles, other weeks I'll have none and doesn't make a difference because it's only about 32 calories for the lot.
What can change is your bodies ability to absorb those calories properly, that can lead to you getting less calories from certain types of foods than others, even when the calorie value is listed as the same, however what is vitally important is that the calories you get is never MORE than what is listed on the product (or shouldn't be, legally speaking).
I've been calorie counting for about 35 weeks now and I've lost about 60lbs total, every single week I've calibrated my calories vs my loss and on average (ignoring natural daily/weekly fluctuations in weight) the calories vs weight lost is highly correlated with a 3500 calorie deficit = 1lb of weight.
I don't eat an especially healthy diet, I try and have at least 1 piece of fruit a day, and try and have some frozen mixed veg with every meal but other than that I eat pretty unhealthy foods, steak/chips/ribs/chicken wings/pizza, usually 1 takeaway per week. It's maintainable because I skip breakfast and have light lunches of only usually a salad, then eat one large meal at the end of the day.
Once you get past the hunger of low calorie diet, weight loss actually becomes pretty trivial, I don't need to hit the gym, I can eat whatever I like, the moderation just needs to be right, a lot of that comes from keeping an eye on the calories of the food you like and finding alternatives you can enjoy but aren't as calorie dense, for example I would never advise just going cold turkey on things like fizzy drinks, switch to diet or non-sugar and reap the low calorie reward, it's not especially very good for you but if you're like me and your only goal is weight loss then it's a very practical way of coping. Actually a lot of my weight loss has come from microwave meals, again not especially good for you in terms of general health but they're a predictable amount of calories and you can get some really low cal ones which help tremendously with managing weight.
Calories are calories, that's the great thing about science and measuring the energy content of food is that it's highly reliable and backed with verifiable data unlike almost all other health advice which is anecdotal at best. I can guzzle Pepsi Max because it's about 1 calorie per 250ml and satisfy my sweet tooth and it has no measureable effect on my diet, some weeks I'll have about 4x 2l bottles, other weeks I'll have none and doesn't make a difference because it's only about 32 calories for the lot.
imaninjadangit
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AThis whole discussion makes me giggle.
There are no good calories or bad calories. Calories are calories. There are good foods and bad foods, however.
I have lost 72lbs calorie counting. I drink a ton of water, and eat healthy. I don't deprive myself, though. If I want McDonald's, I eat it. I just eat the appropriate portions, omit cheese and Mayo, and get a diet soda. If I want something extravagant, I just make it fit into my calorie consumption for the day. In other words, I eat the way a normal human being should eat. I don't gorge myself. I don't starve myself. It really is super simple. Carbs? They are tasty. I just had a gingerbread cookie. Omg. Nomnom. I had ONE. I will never give them up. I just don't over consume them. Meat? I eat it a few times a week. No real reason, other than cost.
I also love it when people go on a diet, then get mad because they gain the weight back when they go off the diet. Well...no duh! You start pigging out again, you'll gain the weight back! I stopped being strict for four months. I never gained a pound. I didn't lose anything, either. Wednesday, I started counting calories and consuming more water. I've lost 6lbs. The way I'm eating is normal. No fad diet, no super restrictions. It's not really a diet, though. It's a lifestyle change.
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There are no good calories or bad calories. Calories are calories. There are good foods and bad foods, however.
I have lost 72lbs calorie counting. I drink a ton of water, and eat healthy. I don't deprive myself, though. If I want McDonald's, I eat it. I just eat the appropriate portions, omit cheese and Mayo, and get a diet soda. If I want something extravagant, I just make it fit into my calorie consumption for the day. In other words, I eat the way a normal human being should eat. I don't gorge myself. I don't starve myself. It really is super simple. Carbs? They are tasty. I just had a gingerbread cookie. Omg. Nomnom. I had ONE. I will never give them up. I just don't over consume them. Meat? I eat it a few times a week. No real reason, other than cost.
I also love it when people go on a diet, then get mad because they gain the weight back when they go off the diet. Well...no duh! You start pigging out again, you'll gain the weight back! I stopped being strict for four months. I never gained a pound. I didn't lose anything, either. Wednesday, I started counting calories and consuming more water. I've lost 6lbs. The way I'm eating is normal. No fad diet, no super restrictions. It's not really a diet, though. It's a lifestyle change.
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cbhattarai
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This one really looks interesting..
RyanDiCooper
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That's not a wonder why I grew bigger before when I did eat some delicious food right before bed time and even went to some 
nights. I was questioning a lot for the reason that I ate less food during the day and get to have more only at night. Found it this very same reason.
nights. I was questioning a lot for the reason that I ate less food during the day and get to have more only at night. Found it this very same reason.
A calorie is just a calorie, or rather a kilocalorie (or kcal, which is the more accurate term. but it's used as "calorie" in the general public. It's used as kcal sometimes in other countries or kJ. (kilo joules) . But what makes a calorie "different" is the macronutrient energy. Protein and carbohydrates have 4 kcal/gram and fat the most at 9kcal/gram.
Carbohydrates aren't evil. In fact, your body runs off of them in the form of glucose. If you don't get enough carbohydrates (around 125 grams a day minimum) your body begins to eat the protein in your body. This "protein sparing" effect is important. Carbohydrates are stored as glycogen (a polysaccaride, or long chain of glucose molecules) in the muscles and liver. Sometimes, if needed, the glycogen can be extracted in emergency situations at once, and provide a quick emergency release of energy. The glucose is metabolized at once, and provdes a quick powerful burst of energy in emergency situations. I think it's important to get carbohydrates mainly from complex, such as from whole grain, beans, legumes, and whole grain rice and such.
Becareful of added sugars in found. Because something is labeled "no sugar added" DOES NOT mean it doesn't have any sugar in it. It simply means they didn't add extra past what naturally occurs. You see this often in orange juice Becareful of fruit juices. They are loaded with calories and lack the fiber and celluose that's found in fruits.
The quality of the carbohydrate is what makes or breaks it. A box of chocolates has alot of sucrose in it (Table sugar) and is loaded with calories (kcal) and do not have much nutritent density or nutrients in them. On the other hand, an orange (fruit) has a wider area of space, and this is filled with all types of micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) and macronutrients (in the form of a carbohydrate such as fructose , I think, along with cellulose). Cellulose is an insoluble fiber; its different from starch. It's a polysaccride, it has a long chain of carbon atoms. Unlike starch, it does not break down or get digested in the body through a process called hydrolysis (lit. "water breaking."). It is the fibers found in plants that hold it together. It provides fiber and exits the body undigested. A starch (a complex carbohydrate which is also a polysaccaride, a long chain of carbon atoms. An example of this would be a potato.) that's chain is broken down some is called a dextrin. It's a thickener used in food products. An example of this (May be) maltodextrin. You see this often on food labels. Maltose is of 2 glucose's bonded through an oxygen atom through a process called condensation. Condensation and hydrolysis is how carbohydrates are taken apart (digested) and put together in the body. Also a diet that claims that honey is more "natural" or "better for you" be skeptical. Honey is often purified often, to the points where nutrients are negligible, and has more calories per teaspoon than regular table sugar or sucrose. Both are broken down ultimately as glucose in your body, so both are processed the same. They have slightly different chemical structures, but the same chemical formula. The difference is how they are"packaged together". One has fructose and glucose bundled in it, the other doesn't. But they both break down to glucose in the body and are as stated, processed the same.
I hope this helps some people. Be aware I'm not a dietition or nutritionist. Take this with a grain of salt. I read alot about nutrition and the biochemistry of it.
Carbohydrates aren't evil. In fact, your body runs off of them in the form of glucose. If you don't get enough carbohydrates (around 125 grams a day minimum) your body begins to eat the protein in your body. This "protein sparing" effect is important. Carbohydrates are stored as glycogen (a polysaccaride, or long chain of glucose molecules) in the muscles and liver. Sometimes, if needed, the glycogen can be extracted in emergency situations at once, and provide a quick emergency release of energy. The glucose is metabolized at once, and provdes a quick powerful burst of energy in emergency situations. I think it's important to get carbohydrates mainly from complex, such as from whole grain, beans, legumes, and whole grain rice and such.
Becareful of added sugars in found. Because something is labeled "no sugar added" DOES NOT mean it doesn't have any sugar in it. It simply means they didn't add extra past what naturally occurs. You see this often in orange juice Becareful of fruit juices. They are loaded with calories and lack the fiber and celluose that's found in fruits.
The quality of the carbohydrate is what makes or breaks it. A box of chocolates has alot of sucrose in it (Table sugar) and is loaded with calories (kcal) and do not have much nutritent density or nutrients in them. On the other hand, an orange (fruit) has a wider area of space, and this is filled with all types of micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) and macronutrients (in the form of a carbohydrate such as fructose , I think, along with cellulose). Cellulose is an insoluble fiber; its different from starch. It's a polysaccride, it has a long chain of carbon atoms. Unlike starch, it does not break down or get digested in the body through a process called hydrolysis (lit. "water breaking."). It is the fibers found in plants that hold it together. It provides fiber and exits the body undigested. A starch (a complex carbohydrate which is also a polysaccaride, a long chain of carbon atoms. An example of this would be a potato.) that's chain is broken down some is called a dextrin. It's a thickener used in food products. An example of this (May be) maltodextrin. You see this often on food labels. Maltose is of 2 glucose's bonded through an oxygen atom through a process called condensation. Condensation and hydrolysis is how carbohydrates are taken apart (digested) and put together in the body. Also a diet that claims that honey is more "natural" or "better for you" be skeptical. Honey is often purified often, to the points where nutrients are negligible, and has more calories per teaspoon than regular table sugar or sucrose. Both are broken down ultimately as glucose in your body, so both are processed the same. They have slightly different chemical structures, but the same chemical formula. The difference is how they are"packaged together". One has fructose and glucose bundled in it, the other doesn't. But they both break down to glucose in the body and are as stated, processed the same.
I hope this helps some people. Be aware I'm not a dietition or nutritionist. Take this with a grain of salt. I read alot about nutrition and the biochemistry of it.