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just wondering:
what if the 5% of trainees who succeed simply are the ones who have great genetics, and that is why they do well?
perhaps the 5% are a combination of genetically gifted, and mentally strong
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and what about the trainees who are mentally strong, yet not genetically gifted?
will their results be similar, or miles apart?
my real curiosity is: how much of a role do genetics really play in achieving success?
will their results be similar, or miles apart?
my real curiosity is: how much of a role do genetics really play in achieving success?
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i believe there is discussion on the board about the original topic too(truth about bulking), but this thread has proven to be more open minded and helpful in its various discussions and opinions with and against science
which is why i would like the factor of genetics plugged into georgen1's theory of 5% and hear his opinion, and other poster's opinion as well
which is why i would like the factor of genetics plugged into georgen1's theory of 5% and hear his opinion, and other poster's opinion as well
People like to jump down my throat on this one but I think that genetics mean D!@K.
Sure, some people on the baseline are more gifted. The champions are the ones who do not care, or ever think about, genetics. They are often not the ones with the best genetics, just the ones who will do the necessary work to make it, where others will not.
Genitics makes no never mind about it. Someone who is not at the highest mental motivation at the time of the test can be one of the 5% or less another time. It makes no difference. It all comes down to who has it mentally and who does not.
People can move into and out of being mentally prepared to do great things as well. Some will have great results, then coast after that, then pull it together again later on. The great ones are able to do it when it counts.
Also, the mental aspect of training has nothing to do with genetics. Any person can decide to do great things, they can decide to do what it takes to get themselves where they want to go.
Sure, some people on the baseline are more gifted. The champions are the ones who do not care, or ever think about, genetics. They are often not the ones with the best genetics, just the ones who will do the necessary work to make it, where others will not.
Genitics makes no never mind about it. Someone who is not at the highest mental motivation at the time of the test can be one of the 5% or less another time. It makes no difference. It all comes down to who has it mentally and who does not.
People can move into and out of being mentally prepared to do great things as well. Some will have great results, then coast after that, then pull it together again later on. The great ones are able to do it when it counts.
Also, the mental aspect of training has nothing to do with genetics. Any person can decide to do great things, they can decide to do what it takes to get themselves where they want to go.
Genetics is a copt out statement to me. Too often when we see someone who is where we want to be, we say "he/she probably has good genetics." Truth is he/she probably worked their ass off.
Its all about Einsteins theory of achievement. e=mc2. End goal=max effort*consistency2
Its all about Einsteins theory of achievement. e=mc2. End goal=max effort*consistency2
very wise words
im glad to have both of you on the forum
thankyou for the responses
im glad to have both of you on the forum
thankyou for the responses
Thanks. I wanted to add (I think Georgen may have said) about the people who have good genetics; do you think they knew before they trained?
So it went, "I have great genetics. Therefore I dont have to train hard and I will achieve a great physique." Probably not. And even the people who actually have these genetics that are good, how would they even know ever?
True but that is when you start looking at the commonalities of the research, and not the differences. Also people interpret the science ideas by making things like pwo nutrition the GOD of nutritional timing. Now we have more research showing that pre-wo may be more beneficial. So science is great and science is bad.
So it went, "I have great genetics. Therefore I dont have to train hard and I will achieve a great physique." Probably not. And even the people who actually have these genetics that are good, how would they even know ever?
True but that is when you start looking at the commonalities of the research, and not the differences. Also people interpret the science ideas by making things like pwo nutrition the GOD of nutritional timing. Now we have more research showing that pre-wo may be more beneficial. So science is great and science is bad.
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:jump1:I like to leave out the fluff. 
Thanks
Thanksgeorgen1, since you said that merely 5% of the lifting population has experianced a hard workout, i have concluded that i have to work VERY hard each workout in the future to reach that higher level.
is this correct?
however, is there a point where VERY hard work is detrimental?
in the past, i have pushed been pushed far enough as to black out(wrestling)
Also, i have pushed myself far enough to have to lay down after my last set, trying to catch my breath for 10 minutes, too sick to drink pwo, feeling terribly nawshus(sp)
i am not trying to prove that i have experianced a hard workout, but my doctor and my mother advised me to "learn your own limits and dont push yourself too far"
so what is the point where it is overkill?
is this correct?
however, is there a point where VERY hard work is detrimental?
in the past, i have pushed been pushed far enough as to black out(wrestling)
Also, i have pushed myself far enough to have to lay down after my last set, trying to catch my breath for 10 minutes, too sick to drink pwo, feeling terribly nawshus(sp)
i am not trying to prove that i have experianced a hard workout, but my doctor and my mother advised me to "learn your own limits and dont push yourself too far"
so what is the point where it is overkill?
there will always be a point that is overkill, however, this will vary ALOT from person to person. You simply have to try it for a while, if you end up feeling like ****, can't sleep, mood swings, depression, etc (typical signs of "overtraining" or whatever you want to call it), then you know you're just messing yourself up. You will really learn to make workouts that suit yourself when you just experiment with this for a while. The first program I made for myself wasn't all that good for me, I quickly made alot of alternations and would always be on guard. If everything was going great, I'd add a bit more intensity/volume/whatever, if things were going not so great, I'd do the oposite.
About the genetic thing, genetics control alot of things, hair/eye colour, skin colour, how tall you can grow etc, (enviornment will also play a role in some of these things, offcource)
however we don't know all that much about it to be honest. We know we can do stuff, getting the brain to secrete different chemicals etc. When you get motivated by your coach, and you really just want to scream "ROCK ON!!!" (like chillen does) things happen not only mentally but also physiologically that can alter your performance. chemicals, adrenaline, stuff like that. How do we know that our determination, our willpower, our down right refusal to quit can't achieve some effect on how much muscle our body can make?
We can't alter our genes through this, but we don't know how much our genes really hold us back. None of us here knows the absolute max rate our protein synthesis (for an example) is, the absolute maximum ammount of test our body can secrete. You can probobly get it checked and see how much it is now, and you see that it's low and you think "ahh.. crappy genes". But that's your "baseline" or what you want to call it, like I said before, how do we know "determination, our willpower, our down right refusal to quit" can't alternate that?
If the brain is happy, it secretes "happy chemicals" if the brain is sad it secretes "sad chemicals" if the brain is pumped up to build some friggin muscle, does it secrete muscle building chemicals?
I don't know, but why the hell not?
About the genetic thing, genetics control alot of things, hair/eye colour, skin colour, how tall you can grow etc, (enviornment will also play a role in some of these things, offcource)
however we don't know all that much about it to be honest. We know we can do stuff, getting the brain to secrete different chemicals etc. When you get motivated by your coach, and you really just want to scream "ROCK ON!!!" (like chillen does
) things happen not only mentally but also physiologically that can alter your performance. chemicals, adrenaline, stuff like that. How do we know that our determination, our willpower, our down right refusal to quit can't achieve some effect on how much muscle our body can make?We can't alter our genes through this, but we don't know how much our genes really hold us back. None of us here knows the absolute max rate our protein synthesis (for an example) is, the absolute maximum ammount of test our body can secrete. You can probobly get it checked and see how much it is now, and you see that it's low and you think "ahh.. crappy genes". But that's your "baseline" or what you want to call it, like I said before, how do we know "determination, our willpower, our down right refusal to quit" can't alternate that?
If the brain is happy, it secretes "happy chemicals" if the brain is sad it secretes "sad chemicals" if the brain is pumped up to build some friggin muscle, does it secrete muscle building chemicals?
I don't know, but why the hell not?
I guess so.
That is an interesting question. I know as one advances intensity takes on a different meaning. I know pro athletes who got to that point by doing more work than just about everyone else. Once he got to that level the intensity was different.
Meaning that sprints were much more fatiguing than they were previously, simply because he was a lot faster. The same was true for strength training. Most lifts were well over 600lbs. This automatically decreases the volume one can train with at higher percentages.
For instance a 200lb bencher may be able to get 5 reps with 90% or 180 lbs. For a 600lbs bencher that 90% is now 540lbs. The reality of getting 5 reps at that weight is a lot less than the 200lb bencher.
I have known 700lb benchers who can't do 405 lbs 5 X. So things do change as the lifter moves up in ability.
At the same time here are a couple of other stories. The first is.
I know a guy who deadlifted 400lbs 26X, passed out into his fireplace, Woke up to his training partner throwing water on him, got up and finished workout.
Story 2.
I had a training partner who became a pro BB. Sponsored by supplement companies, the whole 9. Just about every workout he would get to the point where he threw up. He would walk out to the sewer grate outside, chuck down it, come back in and finish the workout.
The two above stories are pretty extreme, but both people achieved their goal of lifting (or BB) becoming their profession.
Sweet!!!
That is "a day in the life of" for a lot of people. Sometimes that is how workouts end.
I have always believed that one gets sick, blacks out, or have other symptoms like that simply because they are not in good enough shape yet. If the workouts continue, over the next few months the generally conditioning level raises to where your body is ready for that kind of work, and the symptoms subside.
A lot of people jump into hard training programs before they are in good shape. (wrestling is one of those sports where, when you start, you are generally completely unprepared) So you get crushed in the beginning. The same with 2 a days in football. or 4:30am conditioning times. It is a period where the goal is to get in good enough condition, mentally and physically, to effectively play the game.
I think that a lot of people worry about over training so much that they never let themselves get used to a higher training intensity, they start taking time off, or training less days, before the body has time to adapt to the new level of training.
I think it also becomes an excuse for people who do not want to do the proper amount of work.
You can only learn what kind of person you are by pushing farther.
exactly. thankyou for your thoughts.
i just hope i dont black out again and have to get another 500$ ambulance ride to the hospital ontop of the bill.
lol...mom was pissed
i just hope i dont black out again and have to get another 500$ ambulance ride to the hospital ontop of the bill.
lol...mom was pissed
insurance covered the bill i think...i dont know
but my mom told me about the ambulance ride, warning me not to push myself that hard again for the sake of my own health, and our financial health lol
but my mom told me about the ambulance ride, warning me not to push myself that hard again for the sake of my own health, and our financial health lol
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