This is also false. Soy contains complete proteins. I believe it is the only known plant source which does.
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This is also false. Soy contains complete proteins. I believe it is the only known plant source which does.
San2
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Side effects / Dangers of using Soy as your sole protein source:
* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic orders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.
# Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula.
# Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.
# Male infants undergo a “testosterone surge” during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.
# Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions.
# Soy infant feeding—which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments. In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.
# Almost 15 percent of white girls and 50 percent of African-American girls show signs of puberty such as breast development and pubic hair, before the age of eight. Some girls are showing sexual development before the age of three. Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE.
You seriously want to tell me that that's healthy?
San2
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Checked about 20 different websites....all those side effects are widely known and scientifically proven.
Not saying that nobody should live a vegetarian / vegan lifestyle. To each their own, as said. Just hate it when people go on about how healthy vegetarian / vegan lifestyle is. It's not any healthier than any other sensible diet, in many regards (due to above mentioned health risks linked to soy amongst other things) it's less healthy and far more restrictive than a sensible diet containing meat / processed (to a certain degree) products.
ChefChiTown
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Soy contains all of the essential amino acids to be considered a complete protein, but it's not as digestable as meat, which is why it isn't truly considered a complete protein.
Also, 99% of soy products are heavily processed, which is the complete opposite of healthy.
I don't mind if people are vegetarians, but I find their reason for being vegetarians quite hilarious and hypocritical sometimes. For instance...
When people don't eat red meat, because they claim they don't want to harm animals, but then they turn around and eat fish all the time. I wasn't aware that fish weren't animals.
Or, when people eat a vegan diet because they don't want to eat animal or animal products, as animals can't give their consent, but then they'll turn around and buy a leather belt at the Gap or sleep with their heads lying on a goose down pillow.
To each their own, but...come on.
WineDeer
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Soy is not the root of all evil, as it's been presented here. All foods -- when eaten in extremes -- can cause your body problems.
Soy is not the only source of protein in a vegan or vegetarian diet.
All the legumes, like lentils, beans, and chickpeas contain protein. Additionally, there are grains like quinoa (Quinoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) that has a very high protein content and has a balanced set of amino acids for humans.
Yes, you can be vegan and never eat another piece of meat in your life.
But if you're used to eating meat, it's hard to give up. Trust me, I grew up a meat-eater, became vegetarian, and then went back to meat after a couple of years. It's hard.
My family is vegan. They are fine. They have been vegan for years. They are perfectly fine -- their sources of protein do come from soy, but also from legumes, grains.
ETA: I'll also add that my family is vegan for health reasons, not for animal cruelty reasons. Although, it's a nice side note that they aren't investing in the animal industry as much as before.
Soy is not the only source of protein in a vegan or vegetarian diet.
All the legumes, like lentils, beans, and chickpeas contain protein. Additionally, there are grains like quinoa (Quinoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) that has a very high protein content and has a balanced set of amino acids for humans.
Yes, you can be vegan and never eat another piece of meat in your life.
But if you're used to eating meat, it's hard to give up. Trust me, I grew up a meat-eater, became vegetarian, and then went back to meat after a couple of years. It's hard.
My family is vegan. They are fine. They have been vegan for years. They are perfectly fine -- their sources of protein do come from soy, but also from legumes, grains.
ETA: I'll also add that my family is vegan for health reasons, not for animal cruelty reasons. Although, it's a nice side note that they aren't investing in the animal industry as much as before.
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Actually early-onset puberty in girls has been attributed to hormones in meat and dairy products more so than consumption of soy. That's why I questioned your source; statistics can be manipulated and misrepresented. How did they even find enough people whose only source of protein is soy to come up with those findings?
So you understand my reaction when someone goes on and on about how unhealthy a meat-free diet is. :lol
A vegetarian diet can be as healthy or even more healthy than a diet containing meat. A list of random "statistics" on people whose only source of protein is soy doesn't adequatly contest this fact.
I realize I'm not going to convince you, I just wanted to refute your misleading blanket statement for people reading behind us.
tanishamarshall
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No I didn't change my diet and how many people do, a lot of us don't we are not taught how to eat better we go to doctors to see if we can get approved for the surgery we are told to eat less and take it slow, at least for me.
I shared that because people don't realize losing weight is not just about a surgery is about getting control over your mind, it is not about the food it is what is behind the reason why we eat it and surgery cannot and will not fix that. Only we can fix the root of the problem.
To me surgery is a temporary fix, we all know that a some people that have had weight loss surgery have gained weight back, why because they have not dealt with the root issue the reason for eating.
I like watching Ruby's show on Style even though she is not raw because she realizes losing weight is about so much more then what we eat. It is a battle within.
tanishamarshall
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I really wish we could find peace with our diets. Of course I'd love to see more of the world eat more raw food but I am not going to see that and I am ok with that, no problem. The point is that we all have to find what works for us and share our experiences and the people that feel called to follow the diet we did, Great!! Those that don't like the idea, great.
Losing weight and/or healing our body is so much more then food. We have to do what works for us. We shouldn't be bashed for sharing what works for us. It is funny how people will bash your diet but have never tried it.
I am not out to make other people change but to share my story in hopes that it may help someone else who feel it would work for them. That is it. My story is for those who feel connected with me and the method I found to work. If you don't like it fine, this message may not for you.
I believe the best diet is the one you'll follow.
Losing weight and/or healing our body is so much more then food. We have to do what works for us. We shouldn't be bashed for sharing what works for us. It is funny how people will bash your diet but have never tried it.
I am not out to make other people change but to share my story in hopes that it may help someone else who feel it would work for them. That is it. My story is for those who feel connected with me and the method I found to work. If you don't like it fine, this message may not for you.
I believe the best diet is the one you'll follow.
Cord the Seeker
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Speaking as a committed, hardcore carnivore, it is completely possible to get complete proteins from a vegan diet.
First, soy is not the only vegetable source of complete proteins, although it is the highest and most digestible.
Other sources are hemp seed (which I eat most mornings on my oatmeal), quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, and spirulina (I'll leave it to you whether you want to consider bacterial sources to be plant or animal).
Additionally, many very simple combinations of foods can provide a complete protein. For instance, a peanut butter sandwich is a complete protein (assuming a whole-grain bread). It may not be all that high in protein compared to a steak, but it is complete.
Vegans can get all their nutritional requirements without undue effort, as long as they do a little homework.
Now, meat is more efficient than any vegtable source, but that doesn't mean it is the only option.
Actually, eggs are an even more efficient source than meat, so those who say we have to eat meat because it is the only good source should all switch to eating eggs instead.
I just wanted to set a few things straight.
All that being said, when I want protein, give me a nice big hunk of cooked animal flesh. Yum.
Mmmmmm....animal flesh.....
First, soy is not the only vegetable source of complete proteins, although it is the highest and most digestible.
Other sources are hemp seed (which I eat most mornings on my oatmeal), quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, and spirulina (I'll leave it to you whether you want to consider bacterial sources to be plant or animal).
Additionally, many very simple combinations of foods can provide a complete protein. For instance, a peanut butter sandwich is a complete protein (assuming a whole-grain bread). It may not be all that high in protein compared to a steak, but it is complete.
Vegans can get all their nutritional requirements without undue effort, as long as they do a little homework.
Now, meat is more efficient than any vegtable source, but that doesn't mean it is the only option.
Actually, eggs are an even more efficient source than meat, so those who say we have to eat meat because it is the only good source should all switch to eating eggs instead.
I just wanted to set a few things straight.
All that being said, when I want protein, give me a nice big hunk of cooked animal flesh. Yum.
Mmmmmm....animal flesh.....
KaraCooks
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I agree 100% with everything Cord said.
I have been both veggie and not-veggie (although I've never eaten a full vegan diet). It is very easy to get quite a bit of protein w/out resorting to unhealthy amounts of soy or consuming meat products.
Lima bean and corn, when eaten together, form a complete protein - succotash anyone? Garbanzos and couscous - also a whole protein. There are various combinations of beans, corn, and squash that form a complete protein when eaten together - the combination is often called "the three sisters".
Also I'd like to correct something about diabetes. People lump "diabetes" into one disease and make vast sweeping statements about it. That's like lumping "cancer" into one disease and making vast sweeping statements.
There are many different types of diabetes and they all require different treatments. Not all types of diabetes require insulin injections, or pills, and yes, some forms of diabetes ARE reversible with weight loss, and a proper diet. And, in fact, there is a type of diabetes associated with pregnancy called gestational diabetes that women can develop and that often goes away entirely after the baby is born.
I personally don't believe that cooking food is as evil as most raw food advocates would have you believe. But I think there is benefit to eating more raw food - as I believe most of us don't eat enough real, natural food. Eating more raw veggies, more fruits, more nuts and seeds is healthy and something that could benefit everyone.
Just my $0.02
I have been both veggie and not-veggie (although I've never eaten a full vegan diet). It is very easy to get quite a bit of protein w/out resorting to unhealthy amounts of soy or consuming meat products.
Lima bean and corn, when eaten together, form a complete protein - succotash anyone? Garbanzos and couscous - also a whole protein. There are various combinations of beans, corn, and squash that form a complete protein when eaten together - the combination is often called "the three sisters".
Also I'd like to correct something about diabetes. People lump "diabetes" into one disease and make vast sweeping statements about it. That's like lumping "cancer" into one disease and making vast sweeping statements.
There are many different types of diabetes and they all require different treatments. Not all types of diabetes require insulin injections, or pills, and yes, some forms of diabetes ARE reversible with weight loss, and a proper diet. And, in fact, there is a type of diabetes associated with pregnancy called gestational diabetes that women can develop and that often goes away entirely after the baby is born.
I personally don't believe that cooking food is as evil as most raw food advocates would have you believe. But I think there is benefit to eating more raw food - as I believe most of us don't eat enough real, natural food. Eating more raw veggies, more fruits, more nuts and seeds is healthy and something that could benefit everyone.
Just my $0.02
Cord the Seeker
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I eat the majority of my vegetables raw, or lightly steamed. I like 'em that way, and don't find the taste dull or boring in the least.
My wife went vegan (plus fish) for a while, and she did well by it. She gave it up because she really missed dairy, mostly. She did her research and ate very healthily.
My wife went vegan (plus fish) for a while, and she did well by it. She gave it up because she really missed dairy, mostly. She did her research and ate very healthily.
tanishamarshall
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I don't think there is anything wrong with a raw/cooked diet, I think we all can do without refined foods as well as fried food. Eating healthy doesn't have to be that complicated, but it is not easy either, always easier said then done.