3 months hard work, gained 5 pounds!

Or, if you really feel like you're " losing out " and not getting the results as other do, then change something.

Like an old coach I knew once said, if you want to change for the better, then ' you always change a losing game ' first . ;)

I agree with Wrangell on this one for sure. If things aren't working it's time to make a change.

Like I said before, I suggest keto.
 
When do we get to see the pics? I wanna see if you look like 12%.
 
Why do you care about weight all of a sudden? You gain 5 pounds easily. Day in, day out. It's nothing special, and I wouldn't trust the doctor's scale.

The scale is a Detecto, it uses mass to weigh...no spring. It's accurate.

As far as muscle development, etc, I guess it really doesn't matter in your case. You gained 5 pounds, either way, so I guess you're just worried about the weight. But who would know? You didn't know until you stepped on the scale, so why suddenly does it matter so much when it didn't prior to that?[/QUOTE]

As usual, Dallen makes some great points. You are right, up until I stepped on that scale I was feeling pretty good about myself. <- someone is going to highlight that in bold and say "that's all that should matter". :)

Well, let me ask you this......if I came on the forum and announced that I'd LOST 5 pounds, I'd be getting "congrats, way to go, good job, etc"....so wouldn't it make equal sense that a GAIN of 5 pounds should result in the opposite???????? There ya go. And it's not that I care about what others think, it's simply the fact that we celebrate loss and what's that say about the opposite effect?
Would you, for example, train 22 +++ hours a week, and or go on some form of extreme diet to shred fat, or hire more time with a trainer, etc. etc. if you discovered that this is what it took to meet those goals you mentioned above ?

Come on now...I just worked for a quarter of a year and had a gain...can't a guy be a bit upset? Would I train more?..NO, I think I'm max'd out. At this point I think it's about the nutrition and if anything the training is causing more muscle and other changes that I'm not sure I want to develop further.


even if DEXA confirms you're at 11%, 12%, 13% - or whatever- it won't matter much...cause given your comments above, I suspect you still won't be happy. ;)

The DEXA is just a way of measuring where I'm at....so 3 months from now, when I've probably not lost anything but seem thinner, we can again use DEXA to see the more accurate & real picture of what's happening. If we're to again say 'muscle gain'...now we can verify it. Nothing wrong with getting a better picture. Plus, this way Alan can assess just how accurate his calipers are. If DEXA is 4% higher, then he knows his means of measuring is 4% low.



But comparing yourself to others is your own doing. That ' comparison ' is only ' hard ' IMO because you think you need to keep comparing yourself to other people for some reason.

Comparison has been used as a measure since mankind walked, in fact they compared who walked better! Seriously, there's nothing wrong with using comparison to gather some form of self-evaluation. In this particular thread, my issue is just a LOT of hard work & food-deprivation resulting in a gain. You may be looking too deep on this one...?

You're of the opinion that if you're not getting the ' rate of results that others are, that somehow this is " unfair " that you are some sort of " victim " of a sick genetic prank God played on you when it comes to fat loss and exercise.:)

I hadn't thought about it like that....buy yeah, sounds good. I'll adopt that point of view! ;) :D





When do we get to see the pics? I wanna see if you look like 12%.

Tmrw I workout with my trainer in the morning, perhaps I'll grab the camera and ask for some shots to be taken. I'll do some flexed and non-flexed. I ain't no 12%, my nutritionist insists I am and we'll let DEXA sort that out. :)




Ya know what guys....here's what I think:

#1 My knee injury took me off my bikking, spinning & racquetball...that cost me 4,800 calories of exercise per week. Yes, I tried to cut-back on calories and keep the swimming strong, but evidently I lost ground on account of my resting. Let's not forget, just cause I'm not in the gym working-out doesn't mean I'm sitting watching tv. With that injury, I was Down-diddley-down for weeks! I'm just a couple weeks back into my program now...so some gain during the down-time is easy to figure.

#2 I hit the upper-body weights a lot and I can feel an increase in strength. Well, that could account for some muscle gain...so there's that.

#3 I recently was playing around with this pasta-salad dish....it uses whole-wheat pasta and not too much of it, but it also has kidney beans, garbanzo beans, olive oil, olives, dried red-tomatos. When my wife eats this, she bloats-up. I'd been getting about 800 calories from this per day...so maybe I was bulked on this when I weighed-in.

#4 I usually see Alan after swimming for 2 hours. In the pool the wetness near the mouth and the surroundings of water deter from your body's ability to sense thirst. I'm often dehydrated when I see Alan for measuring. This time I just came to see him w/o swimming...so there's a few quarts of water that I'm carrying that I normally would not.

#5 The body-fat% calipers did not detect any gain in fat...so the 5 pounds hopefully wasn't fat

#6 Alan said I looked leaner then ever, my arms are more cut, my abs are showing a center vertical line now and my face looks thinner then ever: ALL the indications that would not be there if I'd gained fat.

So, crisis averted!

Plus, I'm working with Sara to develop a new diet and really put my nutrients under the microscope.

I'd like to thank RWS for his pm's suggesting a keto-based diet. GotFit for her emotional support and everyone else who has contributed to this thread.
 
Come on now...I just worked for a quarter of a year and had a gain...can't a guy be a bit upset ? Would I train more?..NO, I think I'm max'd out. At this point I think it's about the nutrition and if anything the training is causing more muscle and other changes that I'm not sure I want to develop further.

The question was really just to see at what point you are going to come to terms with the fact that the cost ( more exercise time, other extreme measures etc. ) is too great for the potential small fat loss you might get as a benefit.

In other words, at some point there has to be some ' acceptance ' that " it is was it is " - your rate of fat loss is simply different than others and you may not be able to easily get this physique you're envisioning for yourself .

It's not a good or bad value judgment of anything mind you - it's just different than others. Nothing more.:)

The DEXA is just a way of measuring where I'm at....so 3 months from now, when I've probably not lost anything but seem thinner, we can again use DEXA to see the more accurate & real picture of what's happening. If we're to again say 'muscle gain'...now we can verify it. Nothing wrong with getting a better picture. Plus, this way Alan can assess just how accurate his calipers are. If DEXA is 4% higher, then he knows his means of measuring is 4% low.

Actually, those are the reasons I assumed you were for doing the DEXA in the first place - I get that.

It makes sense.

Comparison has been used as a measure since mankind walked, in fact they compared who walked better! Seriously, there's nothing wrong with using comparison to gather some form of self-evaluation. In this particular thread, my issue is just a LOT of hard work & food-deprivation resulting in a gain. You may be looking too deep on this one...?

I have no issue with making comparisons simply out of curiosity etc. - but comparisons shouldn't be the benchmark by which you judge your efforts IMO as being " good " or " bad " - your results are simply different from others and unique to you.......that's all I'm saying.

As for ME looking too deep on this issue ? No comment !:)

#4 I usually see Alan after swimming for 2 hours. In the pool the wetness near the mouth and the surroundings of water deter from your body's ability to sense thirst. I'm often dehydrated when I see Alan for measuring. This time I just came to see him w/o swimming...so there's a few quarts of water that I'm carrying that I normally would not.

In your effort to see if you can up with some different tactics to jump start some fat loss ( if only on a trial and error basis ) have you given any consideration to stepping back from swimming for awhile ( or cutting back a bit ) and replace it with some other form of cardio ? If you swim cause you simply love to swim ( fat loss or not ), then , by all means continue. But if swimming is primarily being done for fat loss, there may be more optimal ways shed fat than swimming.

And on the spinning, how about cutting back to only 1 session from 2 and either do another form of cardio for that second hour or forgo it altogether and perhaps try and swing it so you can do some form of hard core HIIT 5X a week on your own ( or with a trainer to put you thru the cardio ) on 5 separate days ?

For example, Alwyn Cosgrove's fat burn HIIT protocol ( and only lasts about 30 minutes per session ) peaks at doing HIIT 4X a week for 4 weeks and then doing HIIT 5X a week for the last 4 weeks.

Just a thought BSL ....i.e maybe there is some merit in re-thinking your whole weekly exercise regimen ( i.e ' always change a losing game ' ;) )....that's all I'm getting at. :)
 
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Just a thought BSL ....i.e maybe there is some merit in re-thinking your whole weekly exercise regimen ( i.e ' always change a losing game ' ;) )....that's all I'm getting at. :)

Sorry if my defensiveness triggered your defensiveness...:D Dude, you're my friend, you're on my side, you're Canadian....feel free to express your thoughts w/o concern to hurting my widdo feewiings. ;)

Actually, I have cut-back my swim a lot. I used to do 50, 75 or even 100 laps....but now I'm down to just doing a mile, about 37 laps. What I do is just swim it faster, without stops and get in & out. It takes me about 45 minutes. Frankly, I don't think long-term exposure (hours) to heavily chlorinated water is good. Most my swimming is after spinning, racquetball or other activities, it's a "top-off" cardio, not a primary. Hope that makes sense.

Today I ran for the first time. My Physical therapist moved me onto the treadmill and everything went well. He showed me how it's all about cadence and landing right, etc. I did it and it wasn't all that hard. Seems losing 40+ pounds and all my riding/swimming/spinning have gotten me in shape. So swimming is down, running may fall into the mix and my knee is about 90% all-better. I may look into Trekking and some of those other cardio machines...but I am NOT going to do that ghey-ass aerobics dance-around class, even if the room is full of hotties!....or would I???:eek:

I also got fitted for a knee brace and this thing will DEFINITELY do the trick, so I'm contemplating racquetball in about 2 months or maybe sooner if I promise myself to take it easy.

Ya know, after talking with Sara last night for about an hour, I'm more so convinced that my nutrition and caloric intake must be the factor. I don't think this 5-pound gain means too much (as outlined above)...I'm just no longer in the easy-range of losing weight, I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty and it's time to play nasty with my body to get where I need to go.

But let's think about it, millions of people have lost weight ENTIRELY by calorie restriction alone. The exercise is meant to turbo-charge the weight-loss, but most do it a few hours a week. What I'm doing is essentially training for a triathlon adn even then all this weight-training is stacking muscle that'll only hinder that effort. I'm just saying, I'm unorthodox is my methods and what I'm achieving.

I'll get there, just know that any frustration, set-backs or aggrevation will be met swiftly with my fingers, the keyboard and this forum. I'm Jewish; we b!tch! :D
 
Actually, I have cut-back my swim a lot. I used to do 50, 75 or even 100 laps....but now I'm down to just doing a mile, about 37 laps. What I do is just swim it faster, without stops and get in & out. It takes me about 45 minutes. Frankly, I don't think long-term exposure (hours) to heavily chlorinated water is good. Most my swimming is after spinning, racquetball or other activities, it's a "top-off" cardio, not a primary. Hope that makes sense.

O.K.....sorry, my mistake, I thought earlier ( perhaps in another thread ) you said the swimming was for fat loss.

Today I ran for the first time. My Physical therapist moved me onto the treadmill and everything went well. He showed me how it's all about cadence and landing right, etc. I did it and it wasn't all that hard. Seems losing 40+ pounds and all my riding/swimming/spinning have gotten me in shape. So swimming is down, running may fall into the mix and my knee is about 90% all-better. I may look into Trekking and some of those other cardio machines...but I am NOT going to do that ghey-ass aerobics dance-around class, even if the room is full of hotties!....or would I???:eek:

Great news.....that knee seems to be coming along pretty quickly !

I also got fitted for a knee brace and this thing will DEFINITELY do the trick, so I'm contemplating racquetball in about 2 months or maybe sooner if I promise myself to take it easy.

Yikes !

Sounds a bit too soon for me ...but what do I know.:eek:

Ya know, after talking with Sara last night for about an hour, I'm more so convinced that my nutrition and caloric intake must be the factor. I don't think this 5-pound gain means too much (as outlined above)...I'm just no longer in the easy-range of losing weight, I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty and it's time to play nasty with my body to get where I need to go.

A good bet IMO.

My sense is that Sara would certainly know what she's talking about in terms of nutritional / physiological topics - probably a good idea to solicit her input.

Take her advice !

But let's think about it, millions of people have lost weight ENTIRELY by calorie restriction alone.

I know.....losing calories is supposed to mean losing fat...in theory !.;)

The exercise is meant to turbo-charge the weight-loss, but most do it a few hours a week. What I'm doing is essentially training for a triathlon adn even then all this weight-training is stacking muscle that'll only hinder that effort. I'm just saying, I'm unorthodox is my methods and what I'm achieving.

Well, if you're doing all this for a triathlon, then once your knee allows it, I would try and drop one of those spinning sessions for some steady state running. I guess it reminds me of another maxim one of my coaches had ..." you can't suck and blow at the same time " ( there you go BSL ....a sexual innuendo straight line ' lob ball ' for you to hit out of the park ! :))

What I mean by that is training for a triathlon is training for optimal athletic performance - and above all ...endurance. It's not training for some optimal physical / aesthetic appearance IMO......where shredding body fat is job #1. Training for a triathlon also means fueling for a triathlon training - which means eating lots of carbs and lot of calories ...the latter of which may be at odds with trying to optimize fat loss.

I'm no trainer, and I don't have knowledge of triathlon training protocols, but it seems to me that 3.5 hour training sessions as your doing is also a bit much...to say the least ( I think Sara may have said the same )

For example, my hockey players. Our practices are typically very high tempo, stop and start, and generally last about an hour. And they are spent after each practice. If I had a 1 hour high tempo practice, took a small break and then put them through another 1 hour high tempo practice, took a small break and then had them change and do a 45 minute - 1 hour steady state run outside afterwards .....a 3+ hour workout like you do .........then people would think I'm nuts ( I know ...I e-mailed a trainer I know who conditions hockey players to ask him about it ...nuts it is ! ). Or, in 3.5 hours ......it's like running 3 10k's back to back...you get the idea.

Maybe you have to re-think your entire training regimen starting from square one is all I'm saying. Give it some thought.

I'll get there, just know that any frustration, set-backs or aggrevation will be met swiftly with my fingers, the keyboard and this forum. I'm Jewish; we b!tch! :D

Gee...I hope my posts don't upset you then.

I wouldn't want you to get " all verklempt " :)....( Mike Myers ....aka ' Coffee Talk with Linda Richman ' ...is Canadian btw ...he grew up about an hour or so from where I live .......eh ! :canadaf: )
 
It's all good.....

I'm only Jewish by parents, in reality I'm hardly religious.

Lately my wife has been drafting me to drop-off the kids in the morning, so I find myself arriving late to the spinning class, so technically I'd like to downscale my reported spinning to 1.75 classes. The thing is, it's very hard to leave a class once it starts...the music, the beat, the group feeling...can't walk away from it. BUT I totally concede that it would be beneficial to do only 1 class and then anything else: treadmill, elliptical, stair-bastard, rowing, etc. Mixing is always good, but the fun-factor prevails in my decisions.

And btw, the additional swimming is done for BOTH fun & fat-loss. It's so funny how everyone always thinks it's one or the other. I discovered that I could swim very well in Lake Arrowhead, so it was a natural winter progression to use the gym's pool. Then, one day, it occurred to me just how neat it would be to do a spin/swim routine....the perfect combination of lower & upper body, and then it just became habit. It's about fun, relaxing, enjoying the freedom of the water and definitely burning some calories too! It's a multi-benefit thing....and you walk out of the gym feeling so fresh & alive.

I think this thread has played itself out. Perhaps one day someone else with a similar problem will read it and follow it through and find they were too hard on themselves or misinterpretted their results. Either way, I'm gonna take this back to my journal. Thanks for all your thoughts, suggestions & help.
 
Ah man do I feel your pain!

A little background. In 2002 I looked like this:
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After a year of working hard to lose weight and gain fitness, then five years post-of maintenance I look like this:
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thats what i call a metamorphisis you changed from a giant mouse to a giant ant,even your skin has changed colour:D;):11doh:
 
Cute comments Buzz :D

Okay...I've taken the plunge and posted pics of myself on my journal. I had to take them of myself and every time I clicked the button, the flash would pop in the mirror! :mad:

I had to turn off the flash and the result is some pretty grainy stuff. Still, you can get the idea.

My Journal: http://training.fitness.com/journal/bsl-s-bs-lounge-please-come-again-32173.html
 
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