2 questions

Ok for my first question. When I do shoulder presses I've been using a barbell and I do them standing. I'll also use a lifting belt. My question is, is it bad form to use your legs to shove the weight up just off of your shoulders in order to get it all the way up.

The 2nd question is. I've heard that it's not good to workout longer than 45 minutes a day. I lift for about 1 hour and a half per day. What's wrong with this? I haven't sustained any injuries and my body is used to it. Thanks for the help.
 
Not using your legs is called a military press, using your legs a push press. Both have their place. You can alternate them, from one workout to the next, or do one for 4 weeks and then do the other for 4 weeks, etc.

When you workout strenuously for more than 45 minutes your body tends to increase its release of cortisol which is a hormone that tends to signal your body to store fat. The theory is that your body is preparing for another long duration session in the future and believes it needs to store additional energy to fuel that session.

Also, the theory is that if you workout for a longer period of time your intensity either drops near the end of the session or you pace yourself through the entire session and do not develop the ideal level of intensity. And if your goal is to add lean body mass you may be burning too many calories in an extended duration workout and defeating the purpose. Also, you may tend to get bored if you spend too much time in the gym and give up after while.
 
great points by Dswithers.

Also, you should be able to get a very adequate workout done in 60 mins. If you MUST go longer, you're either resting too much, dicking around too much, or simply trying to do too much at the gym.

working out to increase size is a simple concept: you lift weights to damage the muscle fibers a little, and then the body builds them up a little bit bigger than before so they can handle the stress of the workout next time.

Working out longer, and doing more damage to the muscle does increase results, but only to a point. very quickly you cross a thresh hold where too much just slows you down, because the body cannot repair it as quickly.

its for this reason that you see full body workouts happening 3 times a week - the workout is hard, but doesn't have a ton of exercises, or sets. but, you hit every muscle 3x a week, lightly.

Then you have the bodybuilder who reads FLEX magazine and thinks the only way to get huge is to do 32 sets for biceps, and then don't work the arms for a week. Well, they are right in that 32 sets for the small bicep muscle group would require a retarded amount of time to recovery fully.
The question is, would one really hard workout that takes a week to recover from really be 'better' or 'more effective' than doing a lighter workload, but more frequently?

the verdict is still out, but more people believe that a higher frequency with the right volume and intensity is indeed more effective than low frequency with a very high volume and intensity.

this is likely because most research is done with normal people, while most pro bodybuilders are using steroids to assist their body's ability to recover better from those 32 sets of bicep curls.

its for these reasons that one workout does not 'fit all' needs, or individual abilities, and why some people can barely workout and look awesome, while others have to try very hard in the gym to get average results.
 
You lift for an hour and a half every day??

You haven't sustained any injuries...yet. I may be misinterpreting this, but everyday for that long is too much, no matter what the program is.

I agree with what these two said about the length already.

Difference between a push press and military is also the grip. Push press you use your legs some, but your grip is closer and your elbows should be coming directly under you, so your elbows (when in the bottom position) should pretty much be pinned to your ribs. Military press, your elbows are out more, i'm sure you can find examples online. You could try seated with dumbells for variation as well.
 
Seriously though, im the same.

six excersizes at either 3x10 or 4x8

takes me an hour and half with 90 secs rest

Ive tried trimming it but to no avail.

*shrugs
 
AJP could you explain your reasoning? Honestly, I don't really get that sore unless I do an exercise that I haven't done in awhile or it's my first time trying it. And in that case I'll go a little lighter on that exercise. So cortisol production...point taken. Intensity, recovery, calorie burning etc...I work out hard the whole time and my muscles recover just fine by the next time I'm ready to work out, I also intake enough calories to counter balance the burning. The cortisol and burning too many calories seems to counteract itself don't you guys think? I mean if your body is trying to store fat while you're burning them off then it won't cause any harm or good. I have been seeing results with this that I never did when I did upper body 3 days a week. I'm not saying that any of you guys are wrong, it's just that I'm just searching deep for all of the reasons not to work out that long.
 
Seriously though, im the same.

six excersizes at either 3x10 or 4x8

takes me an hour and half with 90 secs rest

Ive tried trimming it but to no avail.

*shrugs

Um, do the math, 60 seconds exercise+90 seconds rest=2.5 minutes per set
2.5 minutes x 3 sets per exercise = 7.5 minutes (or 10 minutes for 4 sets)
7.5 minutes x 6 exercises = 45 minutes!!! (or 60 minutes for 4 sets)
 
AJP could you explain your reasoning? Honestly, I don't really get that sore unless I do an exercise that I haven't done in awhile or it's my first time trying it. And in that case I'll go a little lighter on that exercise. So cortisol production...point taken. Intensity, recovery, calorie burning etc...I work out hard the whole time and my muscles recover just fine by the next time I'm ready to work out, I also intake enough calories to counter balance the burning. The cortisol and burning too many calories seems to counteract itself don't you guys think? I mean if your body is trying to store fat while you're burning them off then it won't cause any harm or good. I have been seeing results with this that I never did when I did upper body 3 days a week. I'm not saying that any of you guys are wrong, it's just that I'm just searching deep for all of the reasons not to work out that long.


Yup, of course. But it would be kinda hard without seeing your full routine laid out. It just sounded like you are lifting every single day of the week? Are you? If so, your body doesn't have enough to recover and (usually) to repair. A lot of people say (just an example), "I work chest/tris day one, back/bis day two, legs/shoulders day three, then just keep repeating" - which i'm not advocating as a routine for a regular person - but with this, even though you may be "working" different "groups" your body still does not recover to it's fullest potential. Think of it in terms of a rechargeable battery...
 
Ok, I change up my routine quite a bit. On monday wednesday and friday I do chest, tri's, and pressing shoulder exercise. Then tuesday thursday I do back and bi's. One of the days out of the week I'll do legs too.

Mon, Wed, and Fri

Bench press: 3-5 sets
Incline bench: 4 sets
Military press: 3-5 sets
French press: 3 sets
DB Flys: 3 sets
Tricep overhead extensions: 3 sets
Overhead press on machine: 3 sets
Flys(machine): 3 sets

Tuesday, Thursday

Romanian Deadlifts: 3 sets
Bent-over rows: 3 sets
Upright rows: 3 sets
Front raises: 3 sets
Lateral raises: 3 sets
Curls: 3 sets
Hammer Curls: 3 sets
Wrist curls: 3 sets
Shoulder shrugs: 3 sets

Then I'll shorten one of the workouts and do leg exercises.
 
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