long term patela tendintious

Hi guys I have patela tendintious in my left knee have had it since the end of this summer played a few rugby games on it havent played for 3 months now but have been jogging a bit and swimming Have seen the physio a couple of times gave me some laser treatment on the knee and tapped it up. this had a litle help on it the pain but it keeps coming back.

I have been resting it for nearly 3 weeks taking anti inflametory medicine and iceing the knee a couple of times a day but the pain is still there.

So yeah its been inflamed for at least 5 months now any ideas ?

Cheers

Nick.
 
Hi guys I have patela tendintious in my left knee have had it since the end of this summer played a few rugby games on it havent played for 3 months now but have been jogging a bit and swimming Have seen the physio a couple of times gave me some laser treatment on the knee and tapped it up. this had a litle help on it the pain but it keeps coming back.

I have been resting it for nearly 3 weeks taking anti inflametory medicine and iceing the knee a couple of times a day but the pain is still there.

So yeah its been inflamed for at least 5 months now any ideas ?

Cheers

Nick.


go see an orthopedist and get an MRI? 5 months is a long long time for tendonitis to stick around, however running likely has not helped you heal at all.
 
Yeah I know I am going to see my doctor this week I shall have to punch him if he says that I just need to eat more bloody NSAID's

I already use orthopedic insoles in my shoes bought from a propper running store the ones you heat up and mold to your foot.

I thought it seemed a long time for a minor injurty becuase yeah I can actually excersize on it but its when cooled down that the pain is worst and my fysio was pretty layed back about it.
 
Just to clarify and make some points

Hi guys I have patela tendintious in my left knee have had it since the end of this summer played a few rugby games on it havent played for 3 months now but have been jogging a bit and swimming Have seen the physio a couple of times gave me some laser treatment on the knee and tapped it up. this had a litle help on it the pain but it keeps coming back.

I have been resting it for nearly 3 weeks taking anti inflametory medicine and iceing the knee a couple of times a day but the pain is still there.

So yeah its been inflamed for at least 5 months now any ideas ?

Cheers

Nick.
Just something to think about. Goose Foot Tendinitis.
This is a common injury to someone who is a little underconditioned for the particular sporting acivity (Rugby, I believe was mentioned). It ususally happens when people are possibly used to jogging, stair climbing, ellipticals, etc. and then think they are in "sprinting" shape and boom, a bursitis pops up.

One area most people under develop in their activity is the hamstrings and medial aspect of the extensors (Quads). This leads to additional stress in those areas and inflammation. Some people find a knee strap helps relieve stress while they strengthen those areas and some people find a knee wrap, like a neoprene wrap to help. Basically, whatever makes it feel better. Also, if you go to the doc, a short burst of cortisol by injection or pill form, like prednisone will 'hit the reset button' on your body's inflammatory reaction and hopefully put you back to the field a little sooner. Then, preventing the injury is next by developing those supporting muscle groups around the knee and hips in a slow, deliberate conditioning, and possibly loose a little weight. I'm also a big fan of dry sauna's for those gym rats out there. Go in for 10 minutes prior to working out and for as long as you want after a workout. If you aren't in the gym, a slow walk with slow jogs after about 5min and then faster walk with faster jogs, sprinkled with some side to side slides are good ways to get your body ready for work. Stretching after working out is better than before to prevent tearing tight, unwarm bodies.

Pes anserinus is the anatomic term used to identify the insertion of the conjoined tendons into the anteromedial proximal tibia. From anterior to posterior, pes anserinus is made up of the tendons of the sartorius, gracilis, and semitendinosus muscles. The term literally means "goose's foot," describing the webbed footlike structure. The conjoined tendon lies superficial to the tibial insertion of the medial collateral ligament (MCL) of the knee. The muscles of the pes anserinus (ie, sartorius, gracilis, semitendinosus) are each supplied by different lower extremity nerves (ie, femoral, obturator, tibial, respectively). The sartorius, gracilis, and semitendinosus muscles are primary flexors of the knee. These 3 muscles also influence internal rotation of the tibia and protect the knee against rotary and valgus stress.

Pes anserine bursitis is an inflammatory condition of the medial knee, especially common in certain patient populations, often coexisting with other knee disorders. Theoretically, bursitis results from stress to this area (eg, stress may result when an obese individual with anatomic deformity from arthritis ascends or descends stairs). Pathological studies do not indicate whether symptoms are attributable predominantly to true bursitis, tendonitis, or fasciitis at this site. Furthermore, panniculitis at this location has been described in obese individuals. Pes anserine bursitis is most common in young individuals involved in sporting activities and obese middle-aged women. This condition also is common in patients aged 50-80 years who suffer from osteoarthritis of the knees.

Pes anserine bursitis can result from acute trauma to the medial knee, athletic overuse, or chronic mechanical and degenerative processes. An occurrence of pes anserine bursitis commonly is characterized by pain, tenderness, and local swelling. The hallmark clinical finding is pain over the proximal medial tibia, at the insertion of the conjoined tendons of the pes anserinus, approximately 2-5 cm below the anteromedial joint margin of the knee. MRI is the preferred imaging technique.

Rest and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) are first-line treatment. Physical therapy is beneficial and often is indicated for patients with pes anserine bursitis. Injection with anesthetic with or without corticosteroid may be helpful. Aspiration of the bursa usually is not required. Surgical intervention is required only rarely. Medical literature continues to report underrecognition of this disorder as a cause for medial knee pain in various groups of patients.

Good Luck!
If you don't see improvement after another 2-3 weeks, I would get the MRI.
 
That sounds spot on mate Not a big sprinter.. 19 stone ( 120 kg ) bloke.

Should I stay completley off the knee or should i do some light work like a few squats without weights, balance exersizes bit of exersize bike spinning or rowing machine?
 
I would ...

That sounds spot on mate Not a big sprinter.. 19 stone ( 120 kg ) bloke.

Should I stay completley off the knee or should i do some light work like a few squats without weights, balance exersizes bit of exersize bike spinning or rowing machine?

If you are not a chronic corticosteriod user, like an asthmatic or have another condition requiring steriods, or have diabetes (they will shoot your blood glucose up) I would go to the doc and get a shot of cortisone, then rest it for 1 week and then start slowly working your way back in with a mix of spinning, hamstring curls, adductor and abductor movements of your hips, squats will be okay, but go light and work on technique and do perfect squats that are not to deep. Also, a great core workout with a medicine ball is a great workout and will really help every other movement you want to do.

A knee strap or a neoprene knee wrap may help and then ice after workout.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for all the info really alot of help, bad news I use a symbiocort inhaler every day for my astma containing budesonide and formoterol.

Will see what the doc says on friday.


Thanks again

Nick
 
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Thanks for all the info really alot of help, bad news I use a symbiocort inhaler every day for my astma containing budesonide and formoterol.

Will see what the doc says on friday.


Thanks again

Nick

You should be oK with those. They act locally in the lungs and not so much systemically. I was really meaning chronic active asthmatic who requires prednisone on a regular basis.

A visit to the doc would be a great idea!
 
Orthopedic massage

Do you actually have inflammation and swelling in the patella tendon or is it just soreness and pain? If there is actually no swelling or redness it may just be tendinosis. It sounds like you have some overdeveloped Quadricep muscles. Before you go and get shots and take any more ibuprofen go find an experienced orthopedic massage therapist. I have treated this myself and can usually get rid of this in less than an hour.
This condition is usually caused by overuse of the quads, which place an excessive amount of upward pressure on the patella.This causes stretching and irritation to the patella ligament. If it's been 5 months you probably have some scar tissue from the strain also. You should notice a paricular spot of discomfort just below the knee when you do leg extensions. This should be a specific spot that you can put your finger right on.
Basically the treatment would be to release the tissue, muscle and fascia, from the hip down to the knee. Use some multidirectional friction to soften the tender spot in the tendon. Then some eccentric contraction to realign the scar tissue and then stretch the quads. A good therapist will also test if you have an imbalance between the quads and hamstrings. Also they should test to see if you have any off tracking or side to side movement of the patella because of an imbalance of the vastus lateralis and vastus medialis of the quads. After that it will be up to you to keep those quads stretched and the hamstrings strong. This treatment should run between $75 and $100 USD.
Best of luck to you and let us know how you make out.-Siggy
 
Yeah you are also spot on , when to the docs there is inflamtion and he has reffered me to an orthopedic specialist ( still waiting for them to call me ).

And yes I have maaaaaasive quadraceps and my hamstrings are rather small.

I started doing some dead lifts to correct this. ( 20 kg barbell yeah i know really underdeveloped compared to my quads.)

As for the pain yes its on intense spot just under the pattela really intense burn when preassure is applyed.

when my knee has been bent for some time sitting etc. and i straighten my leg to the max there is a litle click and pop where the pain is located.

I use inserts in my shoes for my over pronation.

Thanks everyone for the help I shall keep you posted on what the specialist says and yeah please keep positin any ideas / experiences.
 
Update.

Got a letter from the orthopedic Dr's office and thye can see me in may... bloody hell 3 month wait and my own doctor wont do anything.

How should i proceede to get rid of this my self, massivley frustrated now.
 
update

went to the orthopedic surgeon yesterday i had them call me if anyone canceled an apointment and yeah they called me in yesterday.

he could not see any damage or cartelige that would anoy my pattela tendon.

I didnt have mutch pain or inflamation except at the bottom point of the pattela ( been off my lef for over a week so inflamtions is low ) so he injected me with some stuff and yeah I am off it for another 8 days and will start slow reovery if this doesnt help he want to have a look inside my knee with a camera hehe so yeah.. fingers crossed.
 
six days since injections havent done any work on the leg just streaching quadraceps etc.

Just got up from my desk and now a i feel an ache in my knee, have been pain free pretty mutch since the injections started working oh dear will keep you all posted.
 
Thanks for asking just havent been on this forum for ages,

And well my left knee is still prone to inflame now and then I had a follow up injection done on it again last month.

I had run 7 km's with no tape or patella support band that i usually wear after that it just kept getting worse even though iwasnt running.

So I will se if it happens again in 6 months but it is fine for now.

I still get the feeling that my weak hams are a problem also I have had a groin injury since around march, went to 2 docs and a fysion asked them if I had a hernia since i could feel something around my groin that would pop in and out had an ulstra sound done last week... and gues what... bloody hernia :) So I think I am over compensating on one leg because of that.

So next stop i an operation :)

hopefully I will get to play the last 3 rugby games of this season.
 
Update:

And its back, havent had my hernia operation yet having it before xmas hope that will take some of the strain off my left knee since the hernia is in my right groin.

Trying to strengthen my Vastus Medialis on my left leg to help out with the patella tendonitis on that knee.

God I hate my body right now :) but hey... I lost 5 kgs in the last 9 weeks :)
 
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