How far am i from abs? (Pics)

My phone really sucks, but it's all i have for now...The pics are of my mid-section and back. I'm trying to eat at a deficit and get visible abs. I workout 4 days a week and do cardio about 2-3. (give or take) I still have fat in my stomach and i'm thinking i need to lose about 12lbs as i guess...What do you guys think?

I really don't like my physique at all and it's frustrating, but i'm not going to stop. I enjoy working out and having a goal. So hopefully at some point i will get where i want to be...
 
you are about right 8-12 lbs shoudl make the abs show but this is my personal opinion but put on some more muscle mass. If you want to, drop to that visible abs and then gain muslce mass (unfortunately fat as well) to put more meat on the frame. Keep the course man, six pack does not come overnight. IF you continue really hard, it would show in 2 more months.
 
you are about right 8-12 lbs shoudl make the abs show but this is my personal opinion but put on some more muscle mass. If you want to, drop to that visible abs and then gain muslce mass (unfortunately fat as well) to put more meat on the frame. Keep the course man, six pack does not come overnight. IF you continue really hard, it would show in 2 more months.

Honestly, i would bulk, but i have two negative reasons why i can't do this. One, is because I'm leaving for the Navy in April and i really don't want to bulk and have to cut. Last time i bulked, it went straight to my stomach. (Like you see) I used to be pretty lean...A bulk for me is terrible, i just end up getting fat, lol. Sure i get bigger everywhere, but it doesn't compensate for the gut received. I regret bulking. Plus, i don't care about being big, just defined...(No one cares about weights in the Navy) I would rather have 7% body fat or something...

Any tips to get me to my goal? What do you think? 1500 calories a day, spread my meals out 5 times a day? I heard cardio doesn't really have anything to do with getting leaner, is this true? Also, sit ups don't give you abs? It's all body fat? I'll continue to workout and do cardio 2 times a week. Once march hits, I'm going to be running much more though.

Please, any tips would be appreciated. Thanks for the help.
 
My phone really sucks, but it's all i have for now...The pics are of my mid-section and back. I'm trying to eat at a deficit and get visible abs. I workout 4 days a week and do cardio about 2-3. (give or take) I still have fat in my stomach and i'm thinking i need to lose about 12lbs as i guess...What do you guys think?

I really don't like my physique at all and it's frustrating, but i'm not going to stop. I enjoy working out and having a goal. So hopefully at some point i will get where i want to be...

Yeah, me too. My sides are very hard, which is weird. But i look like i have huge love handles. As i get smaller, i noticed i'm losing weight in my arms as well...Which sucks....But i know you can't control that...

Do you think eating 1500 calories a day is too low for me?

5'7 149lbs

Simply, yes, this is too low.

You have a base need around 1600, without activities included. Which, "dependent on your activity level", could bring you in -1000+ calorie deficit.

With training you are providing the body the need to hold on to as much muscle as possible; however, with a greater deficit the body will likely "increase" the percentage of what it needs from the nutrient dense muscle and your fat to muscle loss will more than likely be suboptimal. You simply will not be doing yourself nor your goal any favors going this low in calories.

I have always preached the diet in nearly all of my posts. But, one thing I do know, is that diet is simply an individual approach in the RAW and BASIC education that is applied:

Its individual in the sense of how one responds to food eaten, calories consumed, macro nutrient sensitivity (i.e. carbohydrates), and is the reason one needs to keenly watch bodily feed back and adapt to the responses given.

I have always taken this approach: Do more, eat more mentality--while maintaining calorie deficits to reduce fat tissue.

The idea is to reduce the negatives, and attempt to increase (optimize) the positives in a suboptimal environment.

Lets use your simply "blanket" of 1500 calories and see the negatives:

Example (Hypothetical) WO week:

Monday: Full Body Routine

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c, not meeting atypical biological need)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2800
Deficit: -1300c

Tuesday: REST

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2200
Deficit: -700


Wednesday: Full Body Routine

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2800
Deficit: -1300c

Thursday: REST

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2200
Deficit: -700


Friday: Full Body Routine

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2800
Deficit: -1300c

Saturday:
REST

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2200
Deficit: -700

Sunday: REST

Calories: 1500 consumed (base 1600c)
Needed (Hypothetically): 2200
Deficit: -700

Hypothetical Deficit for week: -1300 + -1300 + -1300 + -700 + -700 = -5,300 calories.

There is 3,500c approximately in one pound of fat, and for "lack of argument" (keeping things equal), approximately 800c in one pound of muscle (and muscle is made of primarily water, and is denser than fat).

Notwithstanding the trend and composition of your macro nutrients, your recoverability is going to suffer more because the calorie negative is increased with your trend history of high calorie deficits, where it is already suboptimal when the body is faced with a calorie deficit in the first place. Strike One. Your macro nutrient (balance) also suffers because of the limitations imposed by low calorie consumption. Strike Two.

You are increasing the negatives and lowering the positives. Simply put: The more severe the calorie deficit and stress applied (the FBW, keeping things equal) the more the body will adjust and the "circumference of tissue" taken likewise increases, because it simply loses its ability to recover and repair, and its search of nutrients and calories are heightened. Additionally, the body will down regulate up regulate certain biological processes (hormones, etc, etc) that are not in your best interest. It will simply step up the processes to "resist you". Strike Three.

What will more than "likely" follow is slow and suboptimal recovery, lethargy, low energy, and an increase in taking from your coveted muscle and less from your the fat stores you want--in the long run. Strike Four. Building muscle/strength is energy expensive.

We all know there is no such thing, as 4 strikes in Baseball. So you are out, before going to the plate and going to bat, because you: understand the game first, PREPARE properly, and your percentages increase.

Revise your diet.

You know what you need to do.

It is right here, in this hypothetical.

Best wishes for your continued success,


Chillen
 
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I know the basics and i currently have a routine and lift weight.

If you know the basics as they are applied to you, then what is your base need in calories and your calories with activities considered-approximately?

You knew this basic premise, and still considered a 1500c calorie consumption line? Then you knew in advance that this was below your base level of calories, if what you stated is in fact true.

Does it follow then, that if you reduce calories below your base biological need (to breath, organ function, etc), that it would cause harm to your recoverability, muscle growth/strength ability, and likewise increase the percentage ratio of your body taking energy/nutrients from tissue you do not want it to (like your muscle)?

But, i just want to know how you get visible abs. If that's all i wanted, how could i achieve the quickest and best way?

No one can accurately judge how long it will actually take. How long it will take will depend on your starting position, genetic potential and limitations, and your approach on diet/exercise and the your ability to adapt/overcome its feed back, attempting to increase the positives and reducing the negatives in the time you have.

And......sliding your personally adjustable "want-o-meter" according to your strengths and weaknesses when times get a bit rough and tough, etc.

It is not by mistake of design, that the body is created to work together as one unit.

Additionally, you MUST understand that there is NO BLANKET DIET and NO BLANKET FITNESS PROGRAM, and diet and training…..is a very independent and individual……matter……

If you are going to train yourself (and this be your personal trainer), then you have to simply educate yourself in what…….you are trying to do…in a very steady and motivated way.

To build good visible abs one has to:

1. Have good torso base composition as determined through genetic potential (even if its covered by fat tissue), and realize that direct core work is very low on the "importance-o-meter" as compared to the entire Full Body Workout or fitness program.

2. An individualized diet optimized for fat tissue loss (in your case), and optimized to limit muscle wasting side effects (an understanding of the calorie and manipulation of the three nutrients).

3. An individualized training program that attempts to build and/or tries to maintain muscle for the entire body (and supported with a WISE diet) through aggressive progression system.

4. A good and solid understanding on how each exercise effects the body-both indirectly and directly.

Training can be a very personalized issue for some. If you decide on a program, give it "appropriate" time. However, keenly watch your feedback, and adjust when necessary…..and I cannot emphasize this enough.

In order (to train yourself properly), you need understand the concept of that the body is designed to function as one unit, then you need to understand what exercises.....impact the body as one unit, in a body wanting to function as one unit.

For example: Is it by mistake or design that the ab core is smack in the middle of the body?

For simplicity sake, the core is designed to provide stability, support, and protection to our vital organs (to name a few).

The core is involved in simple tasks we take for granted everyday such as:

Walking, running, Sitting, Bending, Twisting, and even sleeping at night. Seen in this rather simple light, it follows (at least with me) that we train this area in the ways it was designed to function--realizing that the diet and the "circumference" (in the energy sense) of ones fitness program is what will reduce the fat in order to reveal the work being completed.

A functional full body routine will provide adequate stimulation when its designed well (from indirect work from variable exercises), and direct core work to a lesser extent (dependent on ones endurance needs in training, etc, etc).

For example: The Military Press, Front Squat, Dead Lift, Lunges, and Renegade Row. ALL involve the core quite extensively with the Front Squat and Dead lift being the more prominent. In all of these lifts (movements), the core is just acting out its design function as a result will give you many returns--more than any direct core work (IMO), when we are NOT speaking endurance related.

One thing they do not do however, is perform all the core function, but it does do most of it. Where it lacks, one can make up in direct core work, such as "appropriate" twisting and side to side movements. Or even add others, if need be.

Therefore, the emphasis should be on diet, a functional and solid FBW (primarily), with direct core work following lower on the importance-o-meter.

With some (performing a FBW they may not even need direct core work to obtain strength, dexterity, vitality, and to a lesser extent, muscle growth in the core area), therefore, in some cases, direct core work simply isn't necessary. Quite simply some have had good results with a well designed diet and full body routine and no.....direct core work. See what works for you.

With the core composition (being so near the vital organs) and fat points being in this region (the large accumulation sacks, if you will), it is no surprise that body fat has to be low in order to see the core muscles. It is a fact you have to accept--and its simply by design.

With genetics willing, your goal to uncover your ab core "is revealed by the kitchen and choices made there", and built and made "strong in your full body routine".

Let me explain something rather simply:

Excess calories can biologically turn into fat and muscle growth (with proper fitness stimulation on the fitness side for muscle growth), and normally the body's capacity to put on fat tissue exceeds its ability to put on muscle tissue (for most). The body is more anabolic.

In a bulk (to me) it is trying to minimize one (fat accumulation) and maximize the other, in a wise approach to calorie consumption, macro nutrients, and training. A mindless bulk, is stupid. Its that simple.

Likewise, a calorie deficit (keeping things equal) will stimulate the body to take from its fat stores (and muscle to a degree); however, its efficiency to put on muscle is drastically reduced (for some not completely eliminated, but can be dependent on diet, and other factors involved), and can make the body resort to taking muscle as fuel. It becomes catabolic (feeding on itself for dinner), and how large this plate for supper is, is determined (primarily by genetics, and YOUR DIET circumference).

As you can see, the ENERGY EQUATION and one's personal efficiency, plays an important function. Everyone's ability is different, this is why its important to watch how you respond to diet and training.


This is why you do not want calories too low (in the simple sense).

The DIET IS THE KING of ALL KINGS.

One has to understand that the muscle in the torso region (ABS) ARE different in the sense of how they grow. These muscles simply WILL NOT grow like the chest, legs, or back--though dependent on the starting position of the person, they WILL grow but it will be limited no matter what one does. After a certain point, they grow more in strength more than anything else just by the nature of their bodily function. The core is primarily an endurance set of muscle, and the fibers they contain limit their capability in growth. If you doubt this, then ask yourself this question. Why is it you can build up the the strength in your wrists and hands (quite extensively I may add), and they do little in the muscle growth area?


Best wishes to you my friend,






Chillen
 
I see where your coming from, but everyone is different. If you eat correctly and are not hungry throughout the day, why should you force yourself to eat more calories? I'm honestly never hungry except for in the morning and after i lift...

Explain to me how this man who is in his 40's manages to eat what he does and stay in shape? He is ripped for his age and weighs more than i do...

With the way his diet looks, their really isn't anyway he eats more than 1300 calories a day...he eats a lot of veggies, which have no calories and two chicken breasts a day...His book will be published soon. From what your saying, he should be losing tons of muscle and not have a physique he does. Especially for being older...

The first link is the main page. The second link is what he eats in a day.

Also, pay attention as to how much exercise he does with this amount of calories. He is burning way more calories than he consumes with the amount of aerobic activity including HIIT sessions...
 
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Also, your estimates for food are way to high for me. I think your just assuming a typical person that is working out insanely intense...My maintainence might be about 2000. It's supposed to be 2200 by typical calculations. Let me put it to you this way. I gained 12lbs in 1 month by eating 2500 calories a day. (About 2350-2400 on non workout days) Yeah, do you think that was all muscle? Hell no...Why do you think i look the way i do now? I increased my bench, squat, deadlift, etc, but i gained body fat. I gain weight easy, my family is fat. All i ate was healthy on the bulk. No fast food, just clean foods. (Oatmeal, olive oil, peanut butter, almonds, chicken breast, lean meats rarely, cottage cheese, no sugar) That was pretty much my diet...

So, to say i should be eating 2800 calories on a full body workout day is a joke...I would become a huge, fat, ugly, out of shape typical American...2000 calories are daily values for a reason. It's a typical general guideline for food consumption. Eating 500 less than that should be fine...I'm not losing any more than 1lb a week...One of my workout sessions is probably not burning more than 150 calories...I don't know why people think you should add 300 or more calories on workout days??? Their is no way you burn that much. I don't even burn more than 200 calories doing cardio...Everything is over exaggerated it seems and it's the cause for people over analyzing and getting fat...Seriously, who eats 3000 calories a day? That is really hard to do man...Unless you live at Mcdonalds...I felt like a 350lb man when i was eating 2500 calories a day. I could barely move and it was uncomfortable...(Not to mention how bloated i felt)
 
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Also, your estimates for food are way to high for me. I think your just assuming a typical person that is working out insanely intense...My maintainence might be about 2000. It's supposed to be 2200 by typical calculations. Let me put it to you this way. I gained 12lbs in 1 month by eating 2500 calories a day. (About 2350-2400 on non workout days) Yeah, do you think that was all muscle? Hell no...Why do you think i look the way i do now? I increased my bench, squat, deadlift, etc, but i gained body fat. I gain weight easy, my family is fat. All i ate was healthy on the bulk. No fast food, just clean foods. (Oatmeal, olive oil, peanut butter, almonds, chicken breast, lean meats rarely, cottage cheese, no sugar) That was pretty much my diet...

So, to say i should be eating 2800 calories on a full body workout day is a joke...I would become a huge, fat, ugly, out of shape typical American...2000 calories are daily values for a reason. It's a typical general guideline for food consumption. Eating 500 less than that should be fine...I'm not losing any more than 1lb a week...One of my workout sessions is probably not burning more than 150 calories...I don't know why people think you should add 300 or more calories on workout days??? Their is no way you burn that much. I don't even burn more than 200 calories doing cardio...Everything is over exaggerated it seems and it's the cause for people over analyzing and getting fat...Seriously, who eats 3000 calories a day? That is really hard to do man...Unless you live at Mcdonalds...I felt like a 350lb man when i was eating 2500 calories a day. I could barely move and it was uncomfortable...(Not to mention how bloated i felt)

I didn't make any estimates for your calories. The calorie ranges were "hypothetically" given------to provide an example, and this was clearly stated. What does hypothetically mean? I simply would not "assume" 2800 calories is correct without considering your personal particulars, training, etc.

I haven't even began to dig into your personal needs in calories, and none of the hypothetical listed calories......are to be assumed that they do.

Reading comprehension would be good.


However, my opinion stands on your personal "blanket target of 1500 calories": It is far too low (for you at this time), and its that simple.

Simply put, what someone else does, may not necessarily work for you. And, this is a trap a lot of persons fall into.

I got "ripped" never taking calories under 1600c (my personal calorie base), I guess I should write a book too. ;) :)

Diet and exercise can be very "person specific", because of the obvious differences between two human beings.


I appreciate the tone of your response.


I will write a more thorough reply to your response, when I get time.


Best wishes,


Chillen
 
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I didn't make any estimates for your calories. The calorie ranges were "hypothetically" given------to provide an example, and this was clearly stated. What does hypothetically mean? I simply would not "assume" 2800 calories is correct without considering your personal particulars, training, etc.

I haven't even began to dig into your personal needs in calories, and none of the hypothetical listed calories......are to be assumed that they do.

Reading comprehension would be good.


However, my opinion stands on your personal "blanket target of 1500 calories": It is far too low (for you at this time), and its that simple.

Simply put, what someone else does, may not necessarily work for you. And, this is a trap a lot of persons fall into.

I got "ripped" never taking calories under 1600c (my personal calorie base), I guess I should write a book too. ;) :)

Diet and exercise can be very "person specific", because of the obvious differences between two human beings.


I appreciate the tone of your response.


I will write a more thorough reply to your response, when I get time.


Best wishes,


Chillen

Just to clear things up, I never try to insult at all when i reply to messages. I'm not an a$$ in real life, but my reply's do come off sounding arrogant at times because I'm straight forward. So please, do not take anything as me being insulting, or doubting you in any way, because this is not the case. I feel you are way more educated than me on the subject and i enjoy hearing views from people i can learn from.

I understand that you were giving a rough estimate, but i was just merely stating that 2800 for me is way to high. My body responds bad to a generous amount of calories. (It sucks) The thing is, on 1500 calories a day i never feel tired or anything. Always wake up early in the morning and feel full of energy. I can drop and do 70 push ups at any given time and 20 pull ups...(Which has nothing to do what we're talking about, just stating I'm in decent shape)

Also, i don't really "count" calories, i just did for the sake of comparing. Honestly, some days i may be lower or higher. Here is a typical nutrition day for me.

Bowl of oatmeal in water, protein shake with a scoop of peanut butter added.

A couple servings of almonds as a snack

Big salad with bell peppers, radishes, cut up chicken breast and a side of cottage cheese. (I cook the radishes and peppers in some extra virgin olive oil for more flavor and bumping the calories)

A can of tuna and maybe a scoop of peanut butter. (On workout days i will have another protein shake and a can of tuna 30mins after)

For dinner, a chicken breast with a generous amount of vegetables, mainly broccoli. I don't like to eat a big dinner for some reason...

Anyway, that's my basic diet and i know it isn't high on calories, but I'm very satisfied and stay full throughout the day...Seems good to me, but what do you think? I just like to get my veggies in, because i think they are important and people neglect them. The only problem with veggies, is that if you count calories they are very low in calories and get you very full...Making your calorie count significantly lower than if you would just eat something else...
 
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