Wtf, carbs in eggs????

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Oldspice

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Wtf...I'm on the CKD diet and i've been eating eggs in the morning. Today, i decided to look at the facts and found that there is 1g of carbs per egg...(sigh) I have 3-4 eggs a day...Plus, 2 tbsp of peanut butter (omega 3) and that has 5g of carbs...Between that and the meat i buy, the carbs add up...I have about 16g of carbs a day...Honestly, i don't know how i can eat 0g of carbs a day...I think 16 is the lowest i can go. Personally, i think peanut butter is healthy and a good fat source. So, i really don't want to rule that out...Hence, 5g of carbs minimum...I also buy the packaged ham/turkey breast meat in the stores. (1g of carbs per slice) I have to buy this, because i don't have time to cook all the time...

Is it ok for me to have these carbs on this diet? From what i understand, your supposed to have 0g of carbs until Friday night, then carb up until Saturday night. (12:00am) I don't carb up...I just eat the same everyday. I get the same amount of carbs each day and from what i've read as long as you eat under 50g of carbs your body will go into keto...So, technically I'm ok?

I still have energy on my workout days, which is why i don't eat more carbs when i lift...I know i'm supposed to restore glycogen levels, but i don't see it necessarily if I'm not feeling bad...You know?
 
16g of carbs is pretty much nothing. they expect you to eat 0 carbs? that's close to impossible unless all you eat is meat (no veggies or anything).. I don't see the problem with getting 16g of carbs at all.. but then again, I am not familiar with this exact diet.
 
Eat your eggs: They are "one of" the most complete proteins.

The amount of carbohydrates in eggs are trivial.

But, I have a question.

Why are you following a low carb diet? Especially as low as 16 grams?

If your purpose is to lose fat tissue. Have you tried a "more pleasing" route (as compared to extremely low carbing), as in a traditional deficit diet, developing a proper workout routine, and see how you respond to this basic approach?

I apologize if I missed your introduction which stated your purpose and goals, but for now (and this can change dependent on your feedback), I am not sold that low carbing is correct......at this time for you. But, this can depend of course.


Best wishes,

Chillen
 
There is no way you can eat 0 carbs, so why are you fretting about it? Most low carb diets say <50 or <30 for a reason. Its impossible not to eat SOME, and definitely unhealthy not to eat some.

And eating <50g carbs a day does NOT mean your body will go into ketosis. Your body is perfectly equipped to use fatty acids for fuel, and if they are available it will do that before making ketones. If you are eating sufficient fats, which I imagine you must be to be (eating 16g carbs a day combined with the fact that it is very hard to get a large portion of calories from protein) your body may never enter ketosis, but rather will simply burn all the fatty acids you are eating as fuel instead.
 
firefreak said:
you can't eat 0 carbs per day....you'd die...
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This isn't true, Fire Freak. :)


However, I am curious as to "why" this diet path was chosen over a more traditional deficit calorie approach with reasonable macro nutrient consumption.


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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limestix said:
There is no way you can eat 0 carbs, so why are you fretting about it? Most low carb diets say <50 or <30 for a reason. Its impossible not to eat SOME, and definitely unhealthy not to eat some.

And eating <50g carbs a day does NOT mean your body will go into ketosis. Your body is perfectly equipped to use fatty acids for fuel, and if they are available it will do that before making ketones. If you are eating sufficient fats, which I imagine you must be to be (eating 16g carbs a day combined with the fact that it is very hard to get a large portion of calories from protein) your body may never enter ketosis, but rather will simply burn all the fatty acids you are eating as fuel instead.
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I don't think going into ketosis means that there isn't enough fatty acids for fuel. When the body "makes" energy from fatty acids it does so through the citric acid cycle. The citric acid cycle needs an intermediate, oxaloacetate, to combine with the acetyl Co-A made in the beta oxidation of the fatty acids. This intermediate, oxaloacetate can't be made by fats, it is made by puruvate (mainly) and pyruvate is mostly made from glucose through glycolysis. When the rate of citric acid cycle slows down because of a lack of oxaloacetate, acetyl co-A will be turned into ketone bodies instead.

At least, that is how I have understood it.
 
Oldspice said:
Wtf...I'm on the CKD diet and i've been eating eggs in the morning. Today, i decided to look at the facts and found that there is 1g of carbs per egg...(sigh) I have 3-4 eggs a day...Plus, 2 tbsp of peanut butter (omega 3) and that has 5g of carbs...Between that and the meat i buy, the carbs add up...I have about 16g of carbs a day...Honestly, i don't know how i can eat 0g of carbs a day...I think 16 is the lowest i can go. Personally, i think peanut butter is healthy and a good fat source. So, i really don't want to rule that out...Hence, 5g of carbs minimum...I also buy the packaged ham/turkey breast meat in the stores. (1g of carbs per slice) I have to buy this, because i don't have time to cook all the time...

Is it ok for me to have these carbs on this diet? From what i understand, your supposed to have 0g of carbs until Friday night, then carb up until Saturday night. (12:00am) I don't carb up...I just eat the same everyday. I get the same amount of carbs each day and from what i've read as long as you eat under 50g of carbs your body will go into keto...So, technically I'm ok?

I still have energy on my workout days, which is why i don't eat more carbs when i lift...I know i'm supposed to restore glycogen levels, but i don't see it necessarily if I'm not feeling bad...You know?
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For some while the carbohydrates are low in the diet, and glucose stores high (still), you may not feel any adverse effects---->yet.

However, if you continue the low carb, weight train, and the glucose begin to deplete and correspondingly empty (without refilling).......this is when you "could" (as personal experiences can vary), begin to feel the effects (of the switch), and lose energy, have headaches, nausea, etc.

If you plan to stay on this sort of diet, you need to educate yourself just a tad more, young man. (respectfully stated)


Edit: There is a "reason" why this diet calls for a carbUP (or refilling if you will)---what is it?



Best wishes


Chillen
 
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Karky said:
I don't think going into ketosis means that there isn't enough fatty acids for fuel. When the body "makes" energy from fatty acids it does so through the citric acid cycle. The citric acid cycle needs an intermediate, oxaloacetate, to combine with the acetyl Co-A made in the beta oxidation of the fatty acids. This intermediate, oxaloacetate can't be made by fats, it is made by puruvate (mainly) and pyruvate is mostly made from glucose through glycolysis. When the rate of citric acid cycle slows down because of a lack of oxaloacetate, acetyl co-A will be turned into ketone bodies instead.

At least, that is how I have understood it.
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But even on a very low carb diet, you will still be taking in some CHO in one form or another. There will never be a complete absence of glucose to be used for whatever purpose. It is just a matter of your body changing from a carb burning machine to a fatty acid burning machine. Low carb diets also always have loading days.

I can't seem to figure out the difference between keto diets, and the anabolic diet which operates on the basis of burning fatty acids and if done properly, you should be able to test your urine and have 0 ketone content.

They both have <50g carbs / day

I haven't practiced the latter personally so I cannot verify if that's true, but many others have tested it and claim it works exactly as it say. I'm definitely going to have to read the book
 
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Chillen said:
For some while the carbohydrates are low in the diet, and glucose stores high (still), you may not feel any adverse effects---->yet.

However, if you continue the low carb, weight train, and the glucose begin to deplete and correspondingly empty (without refilling).......this is when you "could" (as personal experiences can vary), begin to feel the effects (of the switch), and lose energy, have headaches, nausea, etc.

If you plan to stay on this sort of diet, you need to educate yourself just a tad more, young man. (respectfully stated)


Edit: There is a "reason" why this diet calls for a carbUP (or refilling if you will)---what is it?



Best wishes


Chillen
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Well, i read a lot, but i'm making this post to learn even more. Who says young man? (lol)

Anyway, your body doesn't need carbs at all...So, nothing is wrong with the diet. You could have 0 everyday and be just fine. The thing is, weight training. This is where i get confused and the site doesn't explain it well. Apparently, the carb up isn't just about glycogen levels, it has to do with hormonal shifts that positively effect the body in an anabolic way. The thing is, i don't know what those are...I also believe it's a sort of replenishing feeling...For people who feel like they need carbs. But, i don't like the idea. Carbs make me hungry and that carb up day will be a tease and will make me want those carbs more and more each week. If i stay away from them entirely (20g a day) i won't get these urges...I used to drink coke all the time. I would crave it. When i stopped, it was hard and i wanted one so bad. After a couple of weeks i stopped craving it and now i never feel like having a soda. This is kind of the same concept...

The reason why i'm doing this, is because i want to cut fat. I'm 5'7 153lbs. (about 12% bodyfat) I want to get down to about 7%. I lift weights 3 times a week and do HIT cardio about 2 times a week. I do have a general knowledge, the only thing confusing to me is carb up...(Young man) :sport:
 
limestix said:
But even on a very low carb diet, you will still be taking in some CHO in one form or another. There will never be a complete absence of glucose to be used for whatever purpose. It is just a matter of your body changing from a carb burning machine to a fatty acid burning machine. Low carb diets also always have loading days.

I can't seem to figure out the difference between keto diets, and the anabolic diet which operates on the basis of burning fatty acids and if done properly, you should be able to test your urine and have 0 ketone content.

They both have <50g carbs / day

I haven't practiced the latter personally so I cannot verify if that's true, but many others have tested it and claim it works exactly as it say. I'm definitely going to have to read the book
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The question is if you'll be taking in enough CHO to keep up the rate of the citric acid cycle. Your body will also be converting glucogenic amino acids to glucose through gluconeogenesis, so you'll get some blood glucose from that, but again, I don't really know the rate of all of this.

I don't think one would ever have 0 ketone content, as the body is always using some ketones. I think ketosis is defined as X ketone content in the urine or something.

You seem to think ketone bodies can't be used for fuel or something? You seem to think that you are either burning fatty acids or carbs, well, when you are burning a lot of fatty acids, sometimes these fatty acids can't be completely oxidized and will be turned into ketone bodies. Ketone bodies can be used for fuel.

We should probably get Mreik to come in here or something, since he knows a lot more about this than I do.
 
This is very confusing. All i want to do is burn fat and make my abs show with very low b/f. Can i do this just by running a deficit and working out? Or, does someone else have a better way to do it?
 
Oldspice said:
This is very confusing. All i want to do is burn fat and make my abs show with very low b/f. Can i do this just by running a deficit and working out? Or, does someone else have a better way to do it?
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Well, whether or not you can really get a defined abdominal structure through your abdominal layers of skin/fat is really primarily determined by genetics, as this will dictate where and how you store fats in your body. Some won't have a "6-pack abs" look, even at 5% body fat and a sound muscular core because of the way their bodies store fats.

That being said, to achieve the body mass structure necessary to cut body fat enough to see your abs (given your genetics allow for it), you can do this both ways.

Exercise is critical, both cardio and resistance training. Cardio is the most effective way of burning the fat that you already have. Core resistance training is necessary to strengthen your abdominal and oblique muscular structure to help provide definition.

As for diet, both a low carb-high protein and a caloric deficit diet will get you there. Each have their pros and cons...

Low carb
Pros: increased fat reduction early on, reduced appetite,
Cons: impact on the endocrine system, harder to stick to (a hard and fast requirement to sustain ketosis), nutritional supplementation via vitamins

Caloric deficit
Pros: nutritional balance, easier to sustain because of greater options
Cons: harder to sustain if you are susceptible to strong sugar cravings, fat mass loss is slower initially.

Hope that helps.
 
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Karky said:
16g of carbs is pretty much nothing. they expect you to eat 0 carbs? that's close to impossible unless all you eat is meat (no veggies or anything).. I don't see the problem with getting 16g of carbs at all.. but then again, I am not familiar with this exact diet.
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what he said. Anything under as much as 50g carbs is more or less insignificant, from what i've heard.
 
illiniphase4 said:
Well, whether or not you can really get a defined abdominal structure through your abdominal layers of skin/fat is really primarily determined by genetics, as this will dictate where and how you store fats in your body. Some won't have a "6-pack abs" look, even at 5% body fat and a sound muscular core because of the way their bodies store fats.

That being said, to achieve the body mass structure necessary to cut body fat enough to see your abs (given your genetics allow for it), you can do this both ways.

Exercise is critical, both cardio and resistance training. Cardio is the most effective way of burning the fat that you already have. Core resistance training is necessary to strengthen your abdominal and oblique muscular structure to help provide definition.

As for diet, both a low carb-high protein and a caloric deficit diet will get you there. Each have their pros and cons...

Low carb
Pros: increased fat reduction early on, reduced appetite,
Cons: impact on the endocrine system, harder to stick to (a hard and fast requirement to sustain ketosis), nutritional supplementation via vitamins

Caloric deficit
Pros: nutritional balance, easier to sustain because of greater options
Cons: harder to sustain if you are susceptible to strong sugar cravings, fat mass loss is slower initially.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks, that helped a lot. What do you mean impact on the endocrine system and fast requirement to sustain ketosis? I have no problem eating under 20g of carbs a day. I really don't get cravings. I'm really motivated when i want something. I'm one of those people who could eat the same exact thing everyday if i knew it was the perfect diet. Honestly, i would prefer it that way. Once i can figure out exactly what to eat, i'm gonna eat the same thing day by day...

I used to eat good all the time and i'm not picky with food. Hell, sometimes i'll just drink olive oil if i need some calories...I know, it's sad...
 
The induction phase of Atkins is around 20 or less per day for the first phase. 0 doesn't really accomplish anything more. The goal is to have your body in ketosis, not 0 carbs. You can measure the relativity of ketosis with sticks you pee on and it will respond according to the level of ketones in the urine. I keep book on everything I eat and I feel pretty good at 50 or less and time my protien shake/most carb food (24g) as a post workout drink. I eat eggs, chicken, steak, greens and drink tons of water the rest of the day. I think the general opinion on eggs is "two thumbs up."

MG
 
Oldspice said:
Thanks, that helped a lot. What do you mean impact on the endocrine system and fast requirement to sustain ketosis? I have no problem eating under 20g of carbs a day. I really don't get cravings. I'm really motivated when i want something. I'm one of those people who could eat the same exact thing everyday if i knew it was the perfect diet. Honestly, i would prefer it that way. Once i can figure out exactly what to eat, i'm gonna eat the same thing day by day...

I used to eat good all the time and i'm not picky with food. Hell, sometimes i'll just drink olive oil if i need some calories...I know, it's sad...
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Basically what I meant by that is the impact on your kidneys caused by long term states in ketosis. There are a lot of arguments out there, some claiming that ketosis can negatively permanently impact your kidneys, some arguing that it doesn't. Until I see some sound new research that shows that overall kidney function isn't weakened, I personally veer away from any diet that requires a long term ketotic state.

That being said, a shorter span in ketosis with eventual transition to a standard diet is fairly sound.

As for the hard and fast requirement... just like the sugar craving issue being a negative with the caloric deficit diet, some people can better adhere to a well-rounded diet as opposed to one that requires most all carbs to be removed for any period of time. And like the dangers in sugar cravings derailing a caloric deficit diet, if you find yourself unable to stick to a low carb regiment, you won't be able to sustain ketosis for any meaningful measure of time.

But from what it sounds like, the motivation is there for you, so either diet route will probably be OK for you.
 
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