How do I acheive a body like this?

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As you can see, they're not big AT ALL. Ectomorphs for sure. THAT is the body I've been after, more like the 2nd guy as the 1st guy is a little on the skinny side/I'm pretty close to that now, just not as ripped... You can see my threads here:

My log
http://training.fitness.com/wellness/my-progress-log-35572.html

My photo log
http://training.fitness.com/photo-gallery/some-progress-36453.html

I want to get where they are from where I am currently. EXACTLY LIKE THAT. You can tell they're lanky fellows (like myself), and aren't as bulky as a gymnast, but massively cut, and IMO, actually looks really good without getting too far off from their frame type.

How far off am I from that goal? What exercises would/should I be doing? How do I get my BF% low like that?
 
I want to point out that this is only one option, among many dependent on your personal history.

You want to chose the most easiest route (to your goal, of course), and this could simply mean a minor tweak to your diet and/or weight routine, and one may not have to resort to more difficult methods.

With this said, here is one "over simplified option", which I have wrote about on this forum, in one form or another over the passed several months.


First you need to realize reality. More than likely, both these men went under refined diet for a certain length just prior to the photo shoot. Of course, I don't know for sure, but its a rather high probability. And, it is quite possible they are not holding at these BF levels on a daily basis.

I have always stressed the importance of calorie, macro-nutrient, and fitness manipulation, so this post shouldn't be much of surprise for those that have read my posts in the past.

Second, while some may not agree with me, I do believe you are lean enough, and at the point "in your personal goal" to perform some experimentation (that could be used later after a bulk as learning tool), and see how you react to certain macro-nutrient manipulation.

I believe when BF gets to a certain level, and one is at an appropriate point in their PERSONAL goal, manipulation of macro-nutrients can be critical to reduce body fat (and water retention)--especially when referring to the traditional problem areas for men (i.e lower ab region, and rear back).

There are a lot of variables here, because how optimized this works, will depend on the person, and one may have to fiddle with macro-nutrient numbers to find the right combination. With this said, these things are most critical:

  • The appropriate calorie deficit.
  • The appropriate carb-line intake
  • Higher Protein intake
  • Lower appropriate fat intake (say around 20-ish)
  • Depleting the glucose stores and baring this in mind when you perform your workouts. Cardio isn't required. But you can decided to perform it if you respond well to it.
  • Replenishing the glucose stores at the end of the short cycle.

I suggest you track your macro-nutrients, so you know what the numbers are as you work with them, and find the point that works best. In addition, I suggest you write down the types of carbohydrates you consume.

Set an appropriate calorie deficit.

Begin to lower your carbohydrates, to somewhere between 40 to 100 grams per day. Track yourself, and watch your feedback, and adjust these numbers as you move along. I am not really setting a carb point, this too can depend. But working within 100 grams, downward, isn't an unreasonable "ball park" to begin. You might respond well, so why lower it......UNLESS, you have to. If so, then do it. You simply have to work with it some. Track the types you consume: How much of fructose (from fruit, if any), whole grains, and etc.

Increase your protein, and ensure they are from good sources.

Try to keep fat sources to Olive Oils, fish Oils, NPB, type of sources.

If you don't drink coffee, drink it.

Consume lots of water.

The purpose is to deplete your glucose stores over a certain time period through the lowering of carbohydrates (that is at the right level for you), and through intense workouts. Mind you. You may feel like utter crap and this will not be easy--or it can not be easy I should say. Your energy levels will drop, you will feel lethargic, but push through it. When your glucose will get depleted can depend on your workout (how many grams burned during the execution) and the amount you consumed. So, its a good idea to figure this out. How long you stay in this can depend. But when its completed, you then can look forward to eating like a pig, and I mean significantly (but reasonably) above MT-Line, increase your carbohydrates above normal (again from good sources, and tracking the types). You should feel meaner and leaner afterwards. Water retention, bloating, will depend on your selectivity on the types of carbs you consumed. Work with it, and the right types of carbs, and your shouldnt experience bloating, and too much water retention, but enough to bring back some definition in under the skin with water returning to the muscle

This is extremely over simplifying the process and isnt in detal, but with some research you should be able to figure it out.

When BF is low, I have stated over and over again just how powerful manipulating the almighty calorie and nutrients are.

Shared in this importance is having some understanding of the carbohydrate and how it effects the glucose stores and to use them "effectively" where appropriate.

When BF is low, but not where you want it, its ALL DIET. Manipulate this, (when pairing with exercise) and you win.

Work with it and see where you get.

Manipulate your diet, when BF is low, and you ROCK!

Fire.........FLIES.......in your belly......baby! :)

It's simply a function of proper diet manipulation.

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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I want to point out that this is only one option, among many dependent on your personal history.

You want to chose the most easiest route (to your goal, of course), and this could simply mean a minor tweak to your diet and/or weight routine, and one may not have to resort to more difficult methods.

With this said, here is one "over simplified option", which I have wrote about on this forum, in one form or another over the passed several months.


First you need to realize reality. More than likely, both these men went under refined diet for a certain length just prior to the photo shoot. Of course, I don't know for sure, but its a rather high probability. And, it is quite possible they are not holding at these BF levels on a daily basis.

I have always stressed the important of calorie, macro-nutrient, and fitness manipulation, so this post shouldn't be much of surprise for those that have read my posts in the past.

I realize they probably did undergo a certain diet prior to the shoot, but also realize an an underwear model, they probably stay within a VERY CLOSE proximity to those pictures. Close enough to probably make photoshop a minimum.

Second, while some may not agree with me, I do believe you are lean enough, and at the point "in your personal goal" to perform some experimentation (that could be used later after a bulk as learning tool), and see how you react to certain macro-nutrient manipulation.

I believe when BF gets to a certain level, and one is at an appropriate point in their PERSONAL goal, manipulation of macro-nutrients can be critical to reduce body fat (and water retention)--especially when referring to the traditional problem areas for men (i.e lower ab region, and rear back).


There are a lot of variables here, because how optimized this works, will depend on the person, and one may have to fiddle with macro-nutrient numbers to find the right combination. With this said, these things are most critical:

  • The appropriate calorie deficit.
  • The appropriate carb-line intake
  • Higher Protein intake
  • Lower appropriate fat intake (say around 20-ish)
  • Depleting the glucose stores and baring this in mind when you perform your workouts. Cardio isn't required. But you can decided to perform it if you respond well to it.
  • Replenishing the glucose stores at the end of the short cycle.

I suggest you track your macro-nutrients, so you know what the numbers are as you work with them, and find the point that works best. In addition, I suggest you write down the types of carbohydrates you consume.

So you're saying I'm already lean enough? Those guys look like they have paper thin skin. Like the skin that is on my forearm, is on their core. You can just look at the pictures and see my skin is thicker at the core.

Macro-nutrients will will reduce my body fat even if consumed in excess compared to what I'm eating now so long as I eat selective ones???? I'm a little lost... Like I grasp the concept, but can't understand quite why/how that would work.



Set an appropriate calorie deficit.

Begin to lower your carbohydrates, to somewhere between 40 to 100 grams per day. Track yourself, and watch your feedback, and adjust these numbers as you move along. I am not really setting a carb point, this too can depend. But working within 100 grams, downward, isn't an unreasonable "ball park" to begin. You might respond well, so why lower it......UNLESS, you have to. If so, then do it. You simply have to work with it some. Track the types you consume: How much of fructose (from fruit, if any), whole grains, and etc.

Increase your protein, and ensure they are from good sources.

Try to keep fat sources to Olive Oils, fish Oils, NPB, type of sources.

If you don't drink coffee, drink it.

Consume lots of water.

The purpose is to deplete your glucose stores over a certain time period through the lowering of carbohydrates (that is at the right level for you), and through intense workouts. Mind you. You may feel like utter crap and this will not be easy--or it can not be easy I should say. Your energy levels will drop, you will feel lethargic, but push through it. When your glucose will get depleted can depend on your workout (how many grams burned during the execution) and the amount you consumed. So, its a good idea to figure this out. How long you stay in this can depend. But when its completed, you then can look forward to eating like a pig, and I mean significantly (but reasonably) above MT-Line, increase your carbohydrates above normal (again from good sources, and tracking the types). You should feel meaner and leaner afterwards. Water retention, bloating, will depend on your selectivity on the types of carbs you consumed. Work with it, and the right types of carbs, and your shouldnt experience bloating, and too much water retention, but enough to bring back some definition in under the skin with water returning to the muscle.

Since I've started working in the mornings, I've been drinking about 12-16oz of coffee a day. Occasionally, I'll drink more, if another pot gets brewed, but typically that's my intake in the mornings. I've been drinking this brand:



The shop I work at has our own "brand" of coffee. But it's clearly Kinetic Koffee as it even clearly depicts on our bags through their custom label program. Apparently it's somewhat biking oriented, and we even give away the biking stickers that come with the bags. Granted, I drink it with a ton of creamer and sugar, my coffee intake is pretty large compared to what it used to be, which was zero cups a day. but how does the coffee help me? I really wasn't drinking it for any other reason than a kickstart in the morning, and it being free and brewed every morning, lol.

My question regarding this cut-back in nutrients is how you sufficiently replenish your muscles and glucose levels post routine, without eating. Maybe that's where I'm hitting the mental block????



This is extremely over simplifying the process and isnt in detal, but with some research you should be able to figure it out.

When BF is low, I have stated over and over again just how powerful manipulating the almighty calorie and nutrients are.

Shared in this importance is having some understanding of the carbohydrate and how it effects the glucose stores and to use them "effectively" where appropriate.

When BF is low, but not where you want it, its ALL DIET. Manipulate this, (when pairing with exercise) and you win.

Work with it and see where you get.


Best wishes,

Chillen

Thanks for the advice. I'm still trying to wrap my head about how to get paper thin looking skin all over using macro-nutrient tracking. Even at my prime ripped (1st pics in my pictures log), my skin still doesn't look that thin. I was under massive amounts of cardio (breakdancing and biking) and although my diet was ****ty, I can't imagine getting any more ripped just from tracking my diet. Something just isn't clicking in my head for whatever reason. Can you give me an example?



Dude it looks like you're already there.

I appreciate it, but I definitely don't see it. I feel I may be CLOSE, but it seems as those guys have more muscle mass, and a lower BF%. I think I can POSSIBLY acheive that look in a year. 6 Months if I REALLY buckle down, but I honestly am trying to figure out how to get to that point.

I told an ex GF yesterday that I had gained some weight from working out, and she said she couldn't tell :( Really? I can see a difference in my pics, but then again, I'm LOOKING for the difference. That kinda shot down my momentum a bit that a person who hadn't seen me in awhile, said they didn't notice a change :(
 
I realize they probably did undergo a certain diet prior to the shoot, but also realize an an underwear model, they probably stay within a VERY CLOSE proximity to those pictures. Close enough to probably make photoshop a minimum.



So you're saying I'm already lean enough? Those guys look like they have paper thin skin. Like the skin that is on my forearm, is on their core. You can just look at the pictures and see my skin is thicker at the core.

Macro-nutrients will will reduce my body fat even if consumed in excess compared to what I'm eating now so long as I eat selective ones???? I'm a little lost... Like I grasp the concept, but can't understand quite why/how that would work.





Since I've started working in the mornings, I've been drinking about 12-16oz of coffee a day. Occasionally, I'll drink more, if another pot gets brewed, but typically that's my intake in the mornings. I've been drinking this brand:



The shop I work at has our own "brand" of coffee. But it's clearly Kinetic Koffee as it even clearly depicts on our bags through their custom label program. Apparently it's somewhat biking oriented, and we even give away the biking stickers that come with the bags. Granted, I drink it with a ton of creamer and sugar, my coffee intake is pretty large compared to what it used to be, which was zero cups a day. but how does the coffee help me? I really wasn't drinking it for any other reason than a kickstart in the morning, and it being free and brewed every morning, lol.

My question regarding this cut-back in nutrients is how you sufficiently replenish your muscles and glucose levels post routine, without eating. Maybe that's where I'm hitting the mental block????





Thanks for the advice. I'm still trying to wrap my head about how to get paper thin looking skin all over using macro-nutrient tracking. Even at my prime ripped (1st pics in my pictures log), my skin still doesn't look that thin. I was under massive amounts of cardio (breakdancing and biking) and although my diet was ****ty, I can't imagine getting any more ripped just from tracking my diet. Something just isn't clicking in my head for whatever reason. Can you give me an example?

I appreciate it, but I definitely don't see it. I feel I may be CLOSE, but it seems as those guys have more muscle mass, and a lower BF%. I think I can POSSIBLY acheive that look in a year. 6 Months if I REALLY buckle down, but I honestly am trying to figure out how to get to that point.

I told an ex GF yesterday that I had gained some weight from working out, and she said she couldn't tell :( Really? I can see a difference in my pics, but then again, I'm LOOKING for the difference. That kinda shot down my momentum a bit that a person who hadn't seen me in awhile, said they didn't notice a change :(

PM me with your E-Mail, I want to send you something that will simplify this discussion. It will simply save a lot of posting time, and we can get right to the point.


Best wishes


Chillen
 
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