site of fat loss

I for one DON'T want to see James go....I'm starting to understand and relate to his way. I don't think he's trying to insult or belittle anyone....he's just kinda marching to the beat of his own drum and probably used to the way things operate on another forum that's he's active on.

I think we should start a thread called "Ask James" where members post their concerns, questions & issues and see what he has to offer. He has twice to three-times the life-experience of most of us here (not trying to be offensive, honest)....so why not.
 
Fat comes off the body in sheets, not in one place at a time. The area of your body that has the most fat you will see slower reductions. Like my stomach and love hadels are the last place to get lean. It sucks but like stated above it is what it is.

Chris
 
Mr. BikeSwimLaugh...

Wow. Totally unexpected.

However, I doubt I'd be good for this forum and the concept "Ask James" would probably founder, seeing as I'm not one to give or take advice. In addition, as you can tell, I qualify my claims in such a way as not to give the impression that I really know what I'm talking about, which, more often than not, I don't. Moreover, I confess having the propensity to criticize, something well suited to being an engineer, my chosen profession, though now retired from NASA. And this particular trait isn't something the membership desires (at least from the evidence of the responses I've received). As an aside, I'm aware that few among us like to be criticized, and so the reception I've received would not be unusual in a typical social environment.

I came into this forum thinking something named "WorldFitness Training Forum" coupled with what appeared from its web pages, a sophisticated and knowledgeable membership, capable of providing original insights based either on their own research or from significant experience into the subject matter it deals with and that among the forum contributors there would be folks who theorize about how things work and are willing to make their case in front of others who, in turn, would provide additional support or contrary evidence that bear on the topics being discussed. I was quite surprised when I started reading the responses that they were heavily weighted toward dogmatic pronouncements.

Anyway, I'm happy to think someone might want me to stick around.

James
 
evolution...

When you say it doesn't matter if I'm removed or not, my reaction was to think you are speaking for yourself here since it would matter to me that I'd be on the roster of a forum I wouldn't wish to be a member of. On the other hand, if you mean that not being a member is identical or at least equivalent to my not visiting, then I suppose this could imply that I would eventually be removed at some point when it was noticed that I was no longer visiting the site. Is this true?

James
 
How ludricous!

Pedantic intelligence that is authoritative & pompous along w/ arrogant communications skills does not always create the warmest *virtual* travelers who could be on similar paths. :action14:
 
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evolution...

When you say it doesn't matter if I'm removed or not, my reaction was to think you are speaking for yourself here since it would matter to me that I'd be on the roster of a forum I wouldn't wish to be a member of. On the other hand, if you mean that not being a member is identical or at least equivalent to my not visiting, then I suppose this could imply that I would eventually be removed at some point when it was noticed that I was no longer visiting the site. Is this true?

James

Wordy much?
The forum doesn't have a protocol that removes members after a certain time of inactivity. All I was saying, which I thought was pretty clear, was that if you simply stop visiting the forum, it's like it doesn't exist.
 
I confess having the propensity to criticize, something well suited to being an engineer, my chosen profession, though now retired from NASA.

Oh Snap! I was seriously going to guess that you were a retired engineer. I'm an insulation contractor and when I get calls from retired engineers (no offense intended) they often just lay-down their questions in an almost accusatory fashion...."what's this, how's that" and no matter how polite and perfectly I respond, I always get the feeling they're upset, frustrated or annoyed with me. Usually a total lack of humor and definitely some social issues too. Brilliant people, but very intense and almost (on some occassions) dysfunctional to socially interact with.


And this particular trait isn't something the membership desires (at least from the evidence of the responses I've received). As an aside, I'm aware that few among us like to be criticized, and so the reception I've received would not be unusual in a typical social environment.

So you can offer a much different perspective then most. Sometimes it's good to challenge ourselves to think when we hear things we don't expect

I came into this forum thinking something named "WorldFitness Training Forum" coupled with what appeared from its web pages, a sophisticated and knowledgeable membership, capable of providing original insights based either on their own research or from significant experience into the subject matter it deals with and that among the forum contributors there would be folks who theorize about how things work and are willing to make their case in front of others who, in turn, would provide additional support or contrary evidence that bear on the topics being discussed. I was quite surprised when I started reading the responses that they were heavily weighted toward dogmatic pronouncements.

James....

This is merely an Internet forum; a collection of random people brought together with a common interest in health, fitness and in some cases light pornography (that was a joke). There are some cerfified trainers, nutritionist, dieticians and some "experts" here....but more commonly it's just other people like yourself seeking information and sharing common experience. In other words, it was a gross error on your part expecting to find the holy grail of divine metabolic knowledge as an infinite resource appearing on your monitor and ready to service your queries. Sorry to disappoint; we're just people here......and you know/knew this.

On another note, have you heard the premise of communism when it comes to property? Everybody owns it, nobody owns it. Same thing with the Internet: Everybody can read what you wrote, but as soon as the page expires everything is blasted into obscurity...it means nothing. It's like moving a tiny pebble in the desert....it changes things and may remain in that new position for thousands of years, but nobody notices. My point is, having your "screen-name" on a "roster" means nothing. You essentially cease to exist the day after you stop posting.

It's very simple. Ask your questions, but understand you're merely soliciting the advice & opinions of other enthusiast and people like yourself, nothing more. I'm sorry if the title of this forum disappoints. Read some of the other threads, perhaps offer your own advice, thoughts & experience....and if that fails, humor is usually fun. It's "Life" James, don't stress the little details.

As for your situation, I too have some stubborn fat in areas that I really wish would burn-off....I peddle my bike for hours and just wish my body would 'select-access' the fat at those particular sites. While I wonder, ponder and contemplate how it all works, I also accept that I'm not going to take a drug or have surgery to deal with it. The experts I've discussed it with just say "you can't spot reduce" and "the body just takes it from where it wants"....it's all rather mundane & pointless....but in the end "it is what it is".

May I ask, what notions did you have???? What do you think the issue is? What do you think can be done about it? In what manner do you suspect or feel we can alter how or where the body burns fat from? You certainly have your questions and commentary on people's responses....but what's your insight thus far?
 
BikeSwimLaugh...

I have my doubts that if I stopped visiting it would be equivalent to the non-existence of my membership. For example, if the forum solicits ads based on the count of its members, it would probably include me. It might even include certain demographic information based on what is provided during registration. Another way of looking at this is that if I were filling out some application for some job that dealt with sensitive information (say, the FBI), and it required me to list memberships in various organizations, which it would, and I didn't list this forum, they might, using their vast resources, see that I was lying to them and deny my application based solely on that, and do so without informing me why they denied it. Anyway, I can't say as I don't know what this forum's policies are but it just doesn't seem equivalent to me.

With respect to the questions you ask of me, I believe my original posts were fairly clear, but apparently I was mistaken, seeing as how I received a drum beat of responses about how we are unable to spot reduce. What seems to have happened is that this forum was pre-conditioned to respond to my enquiry in that way. Even you believe the problem I was enquiring about is not being able to burn off stubborn fat deposits. What I'd been enquiring about is the fat loss in my derriere. Why did it occur? It never did before, during my prior weight loss cycles, nor did the opposite occur during my prior weight gain cycles. Never before have I experienced a loss or gain in my rear end. If I had to guess at the reason, I would say it is related to my age. Moreover, it's possible that this is not an uncommon feature of folks my age and for those who have never experienced it, but are younger than me, they may also find it a bit unnerving when they do reach my age.

Note that the issue of "what can be done about" is not one of the questions I had for myself, seeing as how it has already occurred, but, if it is something that is a concern for others reaching my age to consider, they might want an answer to that question.

BTW, I still haven't caught on to how this forum works.

James
 
So, James. You can hide your user id from the active users list and/or change your password. <poof> it's like you don't exist. Make it so, Number One! This way, if the FBI says, "Hey, what about this site?" (which is entirely likely) you say, "But I hid my ID from the active users list."

Also, if they were dependent on registrations for revenue, it'd be easier to create the fake one themselves.

BTW, I still haven't caught on to how this forum works.

Untrue. You're doing a bang-up job. What will all the communicating n' stuff. Everyone have a great weekend.
 
BTW, I still haven't caught on to how this forum works.

James

James, with all your intelligence I really am surprised you keep saying that. I came here in the same timespan you did so am new also. I came Oct 7 & you the 11th. I am also not as computer savy as some, but try to correct that by learning. One of the things I've been doing to do that is READ what is says about how this forum works. One of the ways you can do that is when you click on http://training.fitness.com/usercp.php or just "UserCP" in the second tool line at the top of the page, on the far left side. I also do a lot of searches when trying to discover how to do something. I am trying to figure out how the forum works too, and feel I am learning how it works. I mistakenly sent a note to one of the administrators asking a question when I thought I couldn't find it, then immediately found an answer to it. Wish I had just looked better!

olgap
 
well ok so then couple different thoughts to expand on here: we know that Gluconeogenesis and it's pathways are controled by hormones, we also know that with age will reduce your metabolism and an incresed risk of insulin resistance, variation of this will depend on your phenotype. you add decreased adiponectin from your previous weight loss, which modulates a number of metabolic processes, including glucose regulation and fatty acid catabolism. That could be change where you loose adipokines, give me a bit ill expand on this

the more: was going to add a bit about lipolysis and hormone sensitive lipase but this dosn't explain WHY the energy is taken from point A more than point B, infact my whole post does not explain that but rather, assuming it's true how age + conditions specified would = a different effect.. so i still have to explain How genetics + conditions effect Where energy is drawn from which i looked up earlyer, and i don't have time atm.. i will try and fill that in later.
 
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olgap...

I deserve to be scolded for not trying to find out about how this forum works and when I wrote the lines indicating my ignorance in this area I knew I would subject myself to just that. In any case, I appreciate your discovering and passing on that information.

James
 
phaledax

Interesting speculation on a possible reason for the particular site of my recent weight loss, about which I couldn't comment without knowing more about you've offered, but it does prompt me to add more details, which might further suggest new lines of enquiry.

1. While it's true my metabolic rate has generally diminished with age, this particular weight loss was from a period in which I began to work on my body by joining the Y which had just opened up a new facility near where we live. This was after many years of neglecting it. (I didn't become a couch potato, but I wasn't able to establish a workable regimen.) Joining the Y has changed all that, notwithstanding that regularly walking my dog for the few years prior to that had contributed to a weight loss from my all time high of near 260. Other factors include a surgery which I discuss below.

2. The first several months at the Y had me losing about two pounds a month and while I thought I was doing well, at the end of this period my body seemed to react to the stress it was under and rebounded dramatically. After a visit to my doctor and a cardiologist she sent me to, I concluded that I'd been overdoing it. Of course I'd also been receiving this message from some of the folks at the Y, and as I began to learn more about what was going on, I decided to slow down. Also, my doctor suggested reducing the dosage of my blood pressure medication (I'd noticed that it was getting lower apparently from the regular exercise) which I did, and it began to dawn on me that it was important to regulate my heart rate during exercise as well, especially if weight loss was supposed to be my highest priority. I've altered my regimen a couple of times now, keeping the aerobic part of it so that I don't exhaust myself. Anyway, the weight loss at my rear end was noticed during the first months of "training".

2. I've been retired since 2001 and my highest weight occurred at the very end of my working life. In 2002, I was diagnosed with acromeglia (which was triggered by an oncologist (I was being treated for prostate cancer at the time) during his "head to toe" examination where he listened to my various bodily complaints). This particular affliction occurs when a tumor grows in one's pituitary gland that in turn triggers vast quantities of growth hormones which are then distributed throughout the body, which in turn cause growth, which if I were a youngster, could produce what is known as gigantism. In my case, its effects were lateral. I'd apparently had this condition for more than 20 years without knowing it. Even though there were vast amounts HGH in my body, the effects were hardly distinguishable from how one's body often reacts to aging and so it is not easy to diagnose. A blood test is what is needed. Surgery followed, removing the (benign) tumor and the HGH levels started to drop -- not as fast as one might expect, but nevertheless, I began to notice certain improvements where I'd had complaints before. Also, probably as a result of the surgery, I lost a fair amount of weight, some of which I gained back, but it seemed to settle at about the weight I had when I started at the Y.

James
 
that is alot of pain to deal... that condition would have made a healthy lifestyle nearly unbearable, it would have forced you to be sedentary. you must have by now found some new endurance and pain of exercise would have deminished.
 
phaledex...

I appreciate the comment, though one should note that there was no associated pain with the cancer, nor its treatment. Indeed, I found it difficult to believe I had a cancer, despite being told it was a particularly aggressive form. The treatment, however, was equally aggressive and had a number of side effects I was not too pleased with, some of which are still with me, while another turned me into a woman for awhile where I was blessed with hot flashes. Since some of the treatment involved radiation it is possible that some damage occurred in my nether regions that might have had an effect of making my rear end a candidate for fat loss at some point. Can't really say, of course. To be sure, the dog-walking gradual weight loss that followed the treatment didn't have that effect.

As to the effects of acromeglia, I do tend to attribute it to some of my growing sedentariness, since I'd been fairly active right up to the time I may have contracted it, some time in my late thirties or early forties. At the time, I'd begun experiencing hot and burning feet about an hour into my runs and was forced to cut back, eventually to not running at all. To this day I don't know what caused it to appear, though it's conceivable that the semi-proximate cause is a pinched nerve in my hip or lumbar region, which has never been corrected. I can tell the problem is still with me, but because I'm not able to run much due to early exhaustion, it isn't a problem now. (Note, I have since learned that if I go sufficiently slow I am able to improve (and have improved) my endurance. Indeed, by staying well within my aerobic range I've not only improved in that area, but it has contributed to my weight loss as well.)

But I also confess that having been diagnosed with acromeglia with its potential to be involved in a number of undesirable effects, it is a bit too easy for me to use it to explain why I came to have many of my bodily complaints (too numerous to want to list).

James
 
Acromeglia is just a common miss spelling of Acromegaly they are the same thing.
 
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