The Truth About Nutrition
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I can't get to this link here at work, who wrote that?
I'm a fan of what they call "old school bodybuilding". Vince Gironda, Rheo Blair and the lifters from around that time. This sounds similar to what you'll find when you read up on the history of lifting. There's a book they always recommend reading called Not By Bread Alone. I've never read it but do plan to.
There have been studies recently where carbohydrates were lowered and protein and fats were increased and improvements in awhole host of symptoms were seen.
I'm a fan of what they call "old school bodybuilding". Vince Gironda, Rheo Blair and the lifters from around that time. This sounds similar to what you'll find when you read up on the history of lifting. There's a book they always recommend reading called Not By Bread Alone. I've never read it but do plan to.
There have been studies recently where carbohydrates were lowered and protein and fats were increased and improvements in awhole host of symptoms were seen.
An Interview with Jonny Bowden, Ph.D., C.N.S
The orthodox recommendation (2005 US food pyramid) is 45-65% of calories from carbohydrates, not 65-70%.
The American Dietetic Association appears to endorse that recommendation.
Now, you may still disagree with that recommendation, but if you are going to argue about it, it is best to know what it actually is.
Of course, the main nutritional problem that most people in the US have is not the ratio of protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but that they choose junk fats, junk carbohydrates, and "protein" foods that are really mostly something else (hot dogs, bacon, etc.).
I dont understand the purpose of the quote?
It is true that dieticians dont learn much outside the food pyramid and fda guidelines in school. I have met a new person who is a senior in college for the dietician studies. She was eating a bagel with cream cheese one day for lunch. I said, "Is that all you're gonna eat?" She says, "Ya. The recommendation is 60% of your calories from carbs per day. We only need 10% from protein. Protein is really stressful on your kidneys."
Now shes cool and all so I dont like to really debate it with her. But I asked her if her studies have ever went into ketogenic diets or anything like that. She says no that that might be more advanced stuff.
She also wants to join my bootcamp classes because someone asked her if she was pregnant. I referred her here, so if she reads this she probably won't talk to me anymore. lol sorry Govt guidelines suck.
It is true that dieticians dont learn much outside the food pyramid and fda guidelines in school. I have met a new person who is a senior in college for the dietician studies. She was eating a bagel with cream cheese one day for lunch. I said, "Is that all you're gonna eat?" She says, "Ya. The recommendation is 60% of your calories from carbs per day. We only need 10% from protein. Protein is really stressful on your kidneys."
Now shes cool and all so I dont like to really debate it with her. But I asked her if her studies have ever went into ketogenic diets or anything like that. She says no that that might be more advanced stuff.
She also wants to join my bootcamp classes because someone asked her if she was pregnant. I referred her here, so if she reads this she probably won't talk to me anymore. lol sorry Govt guidelines suck.
Now that's a good point. Most people get the majority of their carbohydrates from cookies, cakes, chips, colas or whatever is in the vending machines or through the drive-thru.
But let's play with this, you get people to limit these food choices which of course brings total calories down, then add in more eggs, cottage cheese, yogurts, lean meats, etc and healthy fats and all points made so far in this thread are justified.
Make sense or am I getting senile in my old age 'cause I'm an oldtimer
But let's play with this, you get people to limit these food choices which of course brings total calories down, then add in more eggs, cottage cheese, yogurts, lean meats, etc and healthy fats and all points made so far in this thread are justified.
Make sense or am I getting senile in my old age 'cause I'm an oldtimer
To spark a conversation, which it did.
But you obviously have something to say about it right?
OK, I'm a dietitian. So, I don't recommend anywhere close to 65-70% carb. Maybe 50% give or take a little. Protein for the lay person is at 0.8 g/kg. Now, those of us here aren't lay people. So, our protein intake is probably around 1.5-2 g/kg. I don't think I've ever seen a relevant study that shows it should be significantly more than that. That leaves right around 25% for fat. So, right off the bat we see that Johnny know it all really isn't all that!
Now, WTF is a certified nutrition specialist? Nothing as far as I have ever heard. Board certified? By who? Probably another bunch of jackasses that don't know what the hell they are talking about. What is his PhD in? I've worked in a few hospitals and never seen a certified nutrition specialist working there. No, they are dietitians, the nutrition experts. 4 year college degrees with courses in nutrition, chemistry, biochemistry, anatomy and physiology etc followed by 9 month internships to help them learn the ropes. But, I guess he's the expert, sorry! He's on the same line as a "nutritionist". Not that all nutritionists are bad, but anyone can call themselves a nutritionist.
Hmm, the American Dietetic Association. Yes, an association of dietitians. Those that take truly unbiased, scientifically proven information and provide sound knowledge based off that information. Not studies done by Joe Weider. Not information provided by "muscle milk" etc. Good, solid, double-blind studies done by people with nothing to gain from the research.
Believe Johnny know it all if you'd like. I'm not saying he doesn't have some valuable information. But, the US swim team, Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets and hospitals all around the world choose the dietitian as the nutrition expert, not Johnny know it all.
Any questions!!!
Now, WTF is a certified nutrition specialist? Nothing as far as I have ever heard. Board certified? By who? Probably another bunch of jackasses that don't know what the hell they are talking about. What is his PhD in? I've worked in a few hospitals and never seen a certified nutrition specialist working there. No, they are dietitians, the nutrition experts. 4 year college degrees with courses in nutrition, chemistry, biochemistry, anatomy and physiology etc followed by 9 month internships to help them learn the ropes. But, I guess he's the expert, sorry! He's on the same line as a "nutritionist". Not that all nutritionists are bad, but anyone can call themselves a nutritionist.
Hmm, the American Dietetic Association. Yes, an association of dietitians. Those that take truly unbiased, scientifically proven information and provide sound knowledge based off that information. Not studies done by Joe Weider. Not information provided by "muscle milk" etc. Good, solid, double-blind studies done by people with nothing to gain from the research.
Believe Johnny know it all if you'd like. I'm not saying he doesn't have some valuable information. But, the US swim team, Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets and hospitals all around the world choose the dietitian as the nutrition expert, not Johnny know it all.
Any questions!!!
The correct answer is, "it depends" (on the person, and what his/her goals are). And, for a lot of people, a very large range of percentage of calories from carbohydrate, fat, and protein can be perfectly fine, as long as quality types (as opposed to junk types) are chosen. The essential amounts of the two essential fatty acids are tiny, and the essential amounts of protein are unlikely to be more than 30% of total maintenance calories (and are likely to be less for many people)[1]. So that leave 70+% of maintenance calories as being flexible with respect to which macronutrients are chosen to provide them. Obviously, different people have different other constraints on what macronutrients they want to consume (an endurance athlete carbo-loading for a race may have different constraints from a type I diabetic, for example).
In terms of quality: a piece of chicken, dipped in white flour batter and deep fried in partially hydrogenated vegetable shortening may have the same calories from protein, carbohydrates, and fat as a piece of roasted chicken with a side of brown rice and a salad with greens, nuts, and avocados, but the quality is each meal is quite different. Note that vegetables are not essential, but almost everyone suggests eating a lot of them.
[1] Assume a 150 pound person doing heavy weight training and consuming 1g/lb of protein per day, or 150g = 600 calories. If s/he consumes only 2000 calories (which is probably too little if s/he is training with the intensity that needs 1g/lb of protein per day), that means that his/her protein requirement is 30% of total calories.
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I agree with your protein recommendations. but is 25% fat enough? I usually see at least 30 recommended everywhere...
For some reason my quote feature isn't working right so I'll have to do it manually:
"You know, it's kind of weird that the idiotic American Dietetic Association has us eating a 65 to 70 percent carbohydrate diet, the one thing we actually don't even need!"
Scary!!!
Wow are you for real, you should get a proper education before you wright absurd comments like that - no offence
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I think he got one thing right :yelrotflmao:
I just looked him up and his PHD is in Nutrition
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There's nothing wrong with tha if your a very active person.
But i was refering to the statement that "it is the one thing we we don't actually need", alluding to carbs of course.
I think people like GT2003 and others who wish to attack the article need to read it properly;
The guy isn't attacking Carbs, he's just pointing out that a need is different from a want and the body doesn't actually 'need' them which is quite true.
He also seems to have a dig at pro-biotic drinks which are such a load of **** so he's OK in my book
The guy isn't attacking Carbs, he's just pointing out that a need is different from a want and the body doesn't actually 'need' them which is quite true.
He also seems to have a dig at pro-biotic drinks which are such a load of **** so he's OK in my book
She was quoting the article Matt.