Interesting fast-food calorie facts

[BikeSwimLaugh]

No
Eat what you want, eat what you will.....but if you eat more calories then your body needs, YOU'LL SWELL.

It was a rhyme....it just means when you eat too much, you gain fat.

You guys....always over-interpretting.

Remember carbs do tend to cause water retention more or less depends on the person, and likewise carbs can be used as a nutrient diuretic (one can use carbs to move water in or out, assuming one is healthy)

Agreed. Hence the term CarboHYDRATE. There's a lot of water in carbs, and glycogen for that matter. Each gram of glycogen requires 3 grams of water....so when you cut carbs, you reduce glycogen and it's associated water.....hence the term "water-weight".

When you low carb it, you can eat more protein and fat and not gain.

Could you elaborate on that? I think I know what you mean, but I'd like to be certain.

Tomorrow morning I'm doing my 3.5 hours of cardio: spin/run/spin/swim. Eating some protein tonight & tomorrow won't help much with that. How would you suggest I get through my routine in terms of food? Not a test, not trying to trick you....just curious. Lately I've been eating really low calories and while doing my cardio I've really been feeling weak. I think I need to eat more, but I don't want to just burn the carbs/fat I eat, I want to really burn fat. I have some of the answers to my own question, but it's good to keep an open mind and see what others think.....

 

[Phate89]

Could you elaborate on that? I think I know what you mean, but I'd like to be certain.

When people end up going on extremely low carb diets 30 grams and under, they are able to over the amount they were used to eating. The body is trying to shift from one energy source to the other, so the body needs more calories to function than before when it was running on carbs. When people go on diets such as the Anabolic or Ketogenic diet they sometimes are able to eat 3500-4000 calories of fats and proteins when before their maintenance level was only around 2500-3000 with carbs.

Metabolism pretty much just increases.

If you don't believe me, ask anyone you've known thats ever went extreme low carb. RWS went on the Keto diet a couple times I believe, and I remember him saying he ate over 4000 calories and didn't gain any weight when before he would have gotten fat.

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

Phate...

I hear ya, I think I understand what you are saying....but I'm not sure it makes sense. Perhaps you're saying it doesn't really make sense, but it simply works that way.

If I'm reading you right, your suggesting that a person eating carbs may run about 2,500 per day...BUT if you switch to protein/fat you may be able to eat as much as 4,000 calories of this composition and not gain weight.

I dunno, a calorie is a calorie and all food is met by digestive acids in the stomach and then broken-down and assimilated in the body. Carbs are absorbed very quickly and easily broken down. Fats have more calories per gram and are most efficiently converted to fat, but they have a slower glycemic rate so you stay feeling full longer. Protein is more the building-blocks for muscle and bodily functions, it's not an ideal fuel and it requires the most amount of time and energy to breakdown by our digestive system...because it's a poor fuel, most diets direct us to eat this as it renders the least.

I do know that fat can totally be used as a source of energy for the body, so it's not like eating fat & protein will force our bodies to burn more or our fat.....is it, would it?????????? I've always been a firm subscriber to the calories in vs. calories out school of thought....but the closed mind is hte ignorant mind: I'm open to anything...except having sex with that German gymnast because that "chick" has got to be a guy and homie don't play dat sh!t

 

[i_love_muscle]

When people end up going on extremely low carb diets 30 grams and under, they are able to over the amount they were used to eating. The body is trying to shift from one energy source to the other, so the body needs more calories to function than before when it was running on carbs. When people go on diets such as the Anabolic or Ketogenic diet they sometimes are able to eat 3500-4000 calories of fats and proteins when before their maintenance level was only around 2500-3000 with carbs.

Metabolism pretty much just increases.

If you don't believe me, ask anyone you've known thats ever went extreme low carb. RWS went on the Keto diet a couple times I believe, and I remember him saying he ate over 4000 calories and didn't gain any weight when before he would have gotten fat.

Anabolic diets definitely work. Lyle McDonald has written lots about it (so has Tom Venuto). Basically, his is a modified Atkins diet that people can stick to because you get to carb load for 12 hours every now and then (not stupidly -- he suggests eating a bunch of healthy carbs that you wouldn't have normally eaten, like tons of whole wheat pasta, brown rice, etc. It satisfies the cravings people get when they go low carb.).

Maybe my situation is different because I inject insulin. But I don't think so, because other people have used it and it worked for them, too. Most people's bodies react by going into some weird "no energy funk" for the first week or so. Once the body gets used to not having as many carbs, it adjusts by burning other "fuels" in the body. Your metabolic rate will increase.

I'm 5'4", 152 pounds and eat approximately 3500-3900 calories a day on an anabolic diet. My normal intake when eating more carbs is anywhere from 2300-2700 calories a day, depending on whether I work out. Since getting slam-dunked with that 20% bodyfat figure a few weeks ago, I think I'll be using Lyle's anabolic diet along with some extra cardio to get rid of my fat.

I know the fat's there -- squatting in my body without paying rent. Those suckers need to be evicted.

 

[Chillen]

BSL:

I posted several articles reference Ketogenic diets and the topic of "Ketosis" in the COL earlier this evening, that may be of interest to you. One link has a diet menu, suggested food items, and what to shop for. The body can provide "adequate" fuel through protein and fats (when at correct ratios), once the switch is made. There "can be" temporary "symptoms" (that some get), how long they last? Depends on the person, and its getting through this "bonk" that is hard for many (and fail many).

There are more ways to skin a cat than through a "traditional diet", and manipulating nutrients is one of them.

At least it will give you a general idea to get you started. This will save me writing time . Additionally, I am with "I love muscle", if you can find anything written by Lyle McDonald, at least take a few minutes to read it. It is usually good material.

Take a peek if you're interested. Please keep incorrect stubbornness at bay, you likie? There IS an answer for YOU. Its been there all this time.........


Best wishes,

Chillen

 

[Phate89]

Phate...

I hear ya, I think I understand what you are saying....but I'm not sure it makes sense. Perhaps you're saying it doesn't really make sense, but it simply works that way.

If I'm reading you right, your suggesting that a person eating carbs may run about 2,500 per day...BUT if you switch to protein/fat you may be able to eat as much as 4,000 calories of this composition and not gain weight.

I dunno, a calorie is a calorie and all food is met by digestive acids in the stomach and then broken-down and assimilated in the body. Carbs are absorbed very quickly and easily broken down. Fats have more calories per gram and are most efficiently converted to fat, but they have a slower glycemic rate so you stay feeling full longer. Protein is more the building-blocks for muscle and bodily functions, it's not an ideal fuel and it requires the most amount of time and energy to breakdown by our digestive system...because it's a poor fuel, most diets direct us to eat this as it renders the least.

I do know that fat can totally be used as a source of energy for the body, so it's not like eating fat & protein will force our bodies to burn more or our fat.....is it, would it?????????? I've always been a firm subscriber to the calories in vs. calories out school of thought....but the closed mind is hte ignorant mind: I'm open to anything...except having sex with that German gymnast because that "chick" has got to be a guy and homie don't play dat sh!t

I don't know the science behind it ( nor do I care ) but I know it works. Try it, and you'll see for yourself.

 

[Phate89]

but the closed mind is hte ignorant mind: I'm open to anything...except having sex with that German gymnast because that "chick" has got to be a guy and homie don't play dat sh!t

What about Shawn Johnson, Alicia Sacramone, Nastia liukin..or even that Romanian and Russian chick

 

[i_love_muscle]

I'm assuming you're talking about Oksana Chusovitina? She's 33. I mean he's 33. Going on 13. I think they've been giving that person some unusual "supplements".

She really does look like a man, doesn't she? Rumor has it she has actually had kids and then went back into gymnastics

There are far better gymnastics specimens out there

 

[motivate_me]

Subway Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki, footlong
Calories: 750
Fat:10 <-- not too bad
Sodium: 2400 mg <-- blood-pressure death!!!
This Jared-approved sub will nearly max out your sodium allowance for the day.

isnt the daily requirement of sodium supposed to be 1400 mg? so this is practically double...

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

There IS an answer for YOU. Its been there all this time.........

I don't know the science behind it ( nor do I care ) but I know it works. Try it, and you'll see for yourself.

Guys....

Please don't get me wrong....I'm not being snappy or resistant, but at what point did this thread about how many shocking calories there are in some junk-food become a personal thread about me needing direction to "fix" my diet in a keto sort of way?? I'm just trying to point-out (from an article source) how some of these food items are totally outrageously loaded with calories, fat and sodium. Where did we get to fixing me?

Well....let me say this. Just today I had my visit with the nutritionist (after one month) and mind you I've been at this for a year and I'm by no means in the early/easy stages of weight-loss, I'm seeing the finish line and working in the tough area. Results:

Scale weight: DOWN 3.5 pounds
Body-Fat% by calipers: Down 1.54%
Lean muscle: GAINED 0.96 POUNDS
Actual Fat-Lost: 4.37 POUNDS

Nutritionist assessment: EXCELLENT PROGRESS!

Should I still be looking for that answer??? Maybe you guys should spend some time telling Michael Phelps how to improve his swimming?

Just the same, I'm still interested in looking at that info and I'll check-out the COL and see what's up with it all. As Chillen said, there's more then one way to skin a cat and nutrient manipulation is one method. My biggest concern is my routine. Today I did 2 spin-classes, ran a total of 4 miles and swam a mile+ in the pool....about 4 hours and 20 minutes of exercise; that's a lot of glycogen burnt in the process and no food puts that back better then whole-carbs! I had some brown rice, skinless chicken and vege's. Given my athletic demands and routine, I just don't think it's practical to run a keto-plan...FOR ME AT THIS TIME.

My nutritionist wants me to entirely stop training for a week, he says it's good to just give the body an entire week of rest and to do this every 10-12 weeks. Okay, during this period of rest, I think a keto-thing might be more practical....but not while I'm crankin' 18 hours of exercise per week. Alan Aragon trains professionals and lectures nationally; I'm gonna have to run with his experience on this call guys....and given my results are now running excellent, no need to mess with it.

Back to the thread: Fast food is loaded with calories & sodium!

 

[tonymcclellan]

BSL, your activity level guides your eating. Low carb would probably kill you with all the activity you're performing. Do what works for you. And if Alan is your nutritionist, do what he says.

The same diet doesnt work for everyone, although some people will assume that we should all eat the same.

 

[Hoss]

That's why I only ever get the six inch of this sandwich (cuts all those stats in half) and combine it with something healthy. Curse it for being so delicious though...

Like a diet coke?? lol..

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

BSL, your activity level guides your eating. Low carb would probably kill you with all the activity you're performing. .

I agree; without carbs I quickly get light-headed and can't put-out much energy.

Do what works for you.

I do

And if Alan is your nutritionist, do what he says..

He is, I do.

The same diet doesnt work for everyone, although some people will assume that we should all eat the same.

I agree

I would argue that it's not what you eat but how much you eat (presuming you're eating healthy foods).

 

[tonymcclellan]

Carbs are really for energy. Most people dont expend much energy during the day, work or not.

However if someone in your situation is doing a 3 1/2 hour exercise session, you're gonna need all the energy you can get.

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

However if someone in your situation is doing a 3 1/2 hour exercise session, you're gonna need all the energy you can get.

My main goal is to burn fat. Before heading in to the gym I eat some oatmeal and maybe some fruit. A lot of people keep telling me to eat some protein, but quite frankly the digestive drama in my stomach DURING the first hour or so of exercise is very unpleasant..the burping and feeling of food being worked in my gut...just not a good thing.

The digestive process actually takes energy and blood from the body, it's really not something you wanna be doing while your in the throws of intense cardio. What I do is consume easily assimilatable items along the way. The diluted accelerade, my protein shake made of 1.5 scoops of proein powder along with some lite soy-milk and fruit juice: it all goes down nice & easy with no digestive drama....gets into the blood quickly, doesn't take huge time & drama in teh stomach. I know what I eat is just supplementing my exercise...for the most part I want to induce the most fat-burning as possible. Having a huge bowl of carbs the night before is very ideal for a competitive athlete who is going to a meet to win an event....I'm not. I'm going to the gym to burn fat: I eat the proverbial carbs that are used when they say "fat burns in a carbohydrate flame".

A keto-based diet AND 3.5 hours of intense cardio exercise.....doesn't work. I agree!

Thanks Tony!

 

[i_love_muscle]

BSL, Alan Aragon is like a legend in his own time. How did you snag him, anyway?

Anabolic diets are usually geared for bodybuilders and fitness models who aren't doing insane amounts of cardio like you are doing.

BTW, congrats on your progress!

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

BSL, Alan Aragon is like a legend in his own time. How did you snag him, anyway?

A trainer I played racquetball with referred me to him....turns-out he (at the time) rented office-space in the Thousand Oaks Spectrum gym. Gave him a call, got hooked-up...we've been friends since. He's posted on here before....super-nice guy. He contends I'm one of his "star" clients...and he whole-heartedly agress that I'm one of the most metabolically challenged people he's ever come across...we laugh about it.

Anabolic diets are usually geared for bodybuilders and fitness models who aren't doing insane amounts of cardio like you are doing.

Very true...people who want to lean-out and let every muscle fiber show.

The thing is, I'm doing three things at once....I'm dieting to lose weight and lower my fat AND I'm training like an athlete with all my running/biking/swimming AND I'm weight-training with relatively heavy weight. So I'm eating less then I need to induce weight-loss, yet I need some bulk to add muscle and some carbs for energy: no wonder my body is so confused!

BTW, congrats on your progress!

Thanks, maybe I'll send ya some pics!