After 6 months of cutting time to bulk!!

I think this will be my new routine-

Mon-Push (chest, shoulders, & triceps)
1. Bench press
2. Shoulder press(or lateral raises and front raises)
3. Incline bench press (with dumbbells or barbell)
4. Triceps exercise (skull crushers, tricep extensions, close grip bench or dips)
5. Sit ups, leg raises, or other ab exercise

tue- light cardio

wed-pull (upper back, biceps, & forearms)
1. Pull ups(or Lat pull downs)
2. deadlift
3. Bent over rows
4. EZ bar or Barbell curls(or dumbbell standing curls)
5. Reverse grip curls or incline dumbbell curls
6. Shrugs
7. Side bends (or other oblique exercise)

thur- light cardio

Fri Legs (legs, lower back, & calves)
1. Squat
2. romainian deadlift
3.Calf raises, standing
4.Calf raises, seated
5.Crunches

Should I do 8-12 reps for every lift if I want to gain size?
Opinions on routine?
 
Hey, calm down Chiller. This is a forum so a balance of views is necessary. There are those for example who consider Bruce Lee was "ripped" but others who will say he had low fat and bad gym routine. Some say being big (muscular) means being slow which I disagree with. Look at modern 100 metres runners, they don't look like Bruce Lee do they?

Perhaps rather than 40% Protein/40% Carbs and 20% Fat he should have lowered the carbs then? The 36 pounds lost were all not fat or water lost, some muscle was lost. This is not understood by people who go on weight-watchers type diets, there was a question on that too.
 
Nice work liquid. I'm in a similar state, cut for a few months from around 180 to 155 and have been working on bulking/staying healthy and am around 162 now. Good job man - don't worry about the haters. You look awesome!
 
michaelnow said:
Nice work liquid. I'm in a similar state, cut for a few months from around 180 to 155 and have been working on bulking/staying healthy and am around 162 now. Good job man - don't worry about the haters. You look awesome!
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Nobody is a hater depending on which side of the fitness pond you are on you have something to say. A balance of views is necessary as we all have different viewpoints.
 
pwill, my post wasn't in direct response to you, and I am not trying to alienate you as a hater.

The fact is that liquid reached a goal, a goal HE sought out to achieve, and then he has to get gruff from YOU? No, not here, not now, not ever.
The guy recognized he was CUTTING, and now he is trying to bulk. He realizes this, but you seem not to. Let him enjoy his hard fought results without using him as an example in other threads or making digs at his diet consisting of cabbage soup

Keep on going liquid, I am here with you along the way, and hopefully later on we can compare the results!
 
liquid85 said:
IThanks for any advice, and fell free to be honest with me about my progress.
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michaelnow said:
The fact is that liquid reached a goal, a goal HE sought out to achieve, and then he has to get gruff from YOU? No, not here, not now, not ever.
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He clearly asked for honest comment on his progress so any honest opinion should be welcome, if this site was full of people slapping each others backs all the time even when we thought progress hadn’t actually been made then what would be the point in posting?

Pwill made a point about muscle being lost which is a valid one, if the OP isn’t worried too much about that then that’s fine, they’re his goals to set, but he asked for opinion and it was given

p.s. Liquid - I think you're looking good (but not as good as your girlfriend), you have a nice lean base now to start building on. You might have lost some muscle in that cut but learn from that so the next time you choose to drop weight you can try modifying your diet and training a little to limit that next time
 
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pwill said:
Nobody is a hater depending on which side of the fitness pond you are on you have something to say. A balance of views is necessary as we all have different viewpoints.
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People have different views.......???

"wholly shiiiiiiaaaaaaat!" :eek: :yelrotflmao:

However, I take the "opinion" that Liquid has a grasp on the very items that will march him straight to additional greatness and heightened personal feats:

1. His appetite.
2. Consistency
3. Persistence
4. Self-control

Some how this very thing gets lossed in the "other" opinions.

He has MUCH to work from for success.

He has shown he has the control and knowledge of the self to get the job done........

Now, with the "30 pound loss" stepping stone out of the way, he can now work on achieving even greater personal goals.



And, he will..........


Best wishes,


Chillen
 
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Chillen said:
People have different views.......???

"wholly shiiiiiiaaaaaaat!" :eek: :yelrotflmao:

Chillen
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Did you see the youtube video of some amateur bodybuilder who got stick for not developing his legs? (I posted the link in the lounge but it might upset some here so I won't link to it). You can bet that the first two pages of favorable comments were probably by his friends while the remaining comments were probably as a result of it being linked to in bb.com and other fitness forums. He might have avoided this if his friends gave him a balanced view to start with. Moral in all this - Yes people have different views so canvass a wide opinion even if you don't like all of it.
 
I don't mind all the opinions I want as many as I can get. My goal was to lose as much fat as was possible and I think I've gone as far as I can with that right now. That's why I'm eating more and bulking now.
Maybe I'm incorrect in this but I really don't feel like I lost that much muscle. If you look at my first picture and compare it to the second my arms are the same size. I only lost a quarter of an inch over a six month span of cutting. Same is true for my quads only slightly smaller than the start. As well as my lifts went up in this time frame as well, so If I lost so much muscle at best my lifts would have stayed the same and at worst gone down. I'm sure I lost some muscle but I feel the largest part of that was fat. All of the 12.5 inches off my torso were not muscle.
I've always been skinny until the last two years when I started to gain weight so I wasn''t chisiled out of granite and just had a layer of fat. Either way though I still welcome any opinions on my progress or my workout. I'm far from an expert so any help is appreciated.
Keep checking back as I will be updating pictures and measurements.
 
pwill said:
Did you see the youtube video of some amateur bodybuilder who got stick for not developing his legs? (I posted the link in the lounge but it might upset some here so I won't link to it). You can bet that the first two pages of favorable comments were probably by his friends while the remaining comments were probably as a result of it being linked to in bb.com and other fitness forums. He might have avoided this if his friends gave him a balanced view to start with. Moral in all this - Yes people have different views so canvass a wide opinion even if you don't like all of it.
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Is this a new "secret?!" :)

One has to work the lower body to assist in gaining mass (with proper diet)? OH! this must be the reason I shredded 35 pounds of unwanted fat, and in the process built AND maintained muscle, and became able to drop below 8% body fat with my ever aging and old metabolism.

Nothing new there, of course I would support working the legs.

But, we must not belittle progress. We must show that there are alternative solutions within one's goal, have them make the selection, and then they can "work with" what they already have shown to possess: Strength of charactor, strength of self-discipline, strength of persistance and consistency..........AND strength of earning more knowledge.......

And he (liquid) has all of these for earning success.

You deserve an old quote:


John-the-Opinion Bomb:

Joe-blow says this; Jack-Splat says this; John-Knows-Alot did this: One weeds through the quality information, and with trial and error and some informed "personal tweaking" finds something that works. And you know what? Tom-The-Opinion-Bomb, still gives an opinion seemingly oblivious to the bottom-line :)

(Chillen)





Best regards,

Chillen
 
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Chillen said:
Is this a new "secret?!" :)

One has to work the lower body to assist in gaining mass (with proper diet)? OH! this must be the reason I shredded 35 pounds of unwanted fat, and in the process built AND maintained muscle, and became able to drop below 8% body fat with my ever aging and old metabolism.

Nothing new there.

(Chillen)

Best regards,

Chillen
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I don't get what you are on about. Look at and tell me how the legs look in comparison to the upper body. Which training workout tells you to ignore your lower body? WARNING :- those easily offended should not view the video or read the comments.
 
Holy cow, that back shot of him looks awful, it exposes the imbalance massively.

How the hell did he keep training hard enough to develop a great upper body without thinking that he might need to do some lower body stuff too?
 
pwill said:
I don't get what you are on about. Look at and tell me how the legs look in comparison to the upper body. Which training workout tells you to ignore your lower body? WARNING :- those easily offended should not view the video or read the comments.
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Alot of persons can miss the boat when they try to hop on it.


Reference video:

We know NOTHING of his training. It is possible he may have worked his legs in like intensity and frequency as his upper body, but it didnt respond the same, and he "MAY" have failed to make personal training adjustments to compensate.

Those without error cast the first friggen rock.

You can't say for absolute certainty he DIDNT do leg work, LOL. Other than what I stated, your video shows me CRAP. That's right you read that correct: Doesnt show me crap in the context you are putting it. I am looking at it totally differently.


The vast majority would just pass out from an intense euphoric high if they had results like that. Instead some pass out in motivation before getting EVEN CLOSE........before even having a chance in dealing with the negative bodily feedback in the process.

But yet, we have people belittling this dude. LOL.....what the heck ever, lol. But start "smellen" your own hole. It may not be all that stink free.


Additionally, he seems quit happy with WHO HE IS and WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED........


Many fail just doing that

Wake the heck up.

Oh, one more thing!


ROCK THE HECK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):):):):)

Best wishes,



Chillen
 
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Typhon said:
Holy cow, that back shot of him looks awful, it exposes the imbalance massively.

How the hell did he keep training hard enough to develop a great upper body without thinking that he might need to do some lower body stuff too?
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Agreed. The guy has done some serious damage limitation and heavily edited his youtube comments. If he was in a decent forum, people might have said something. Even his training parters in the gym should have offered him a word of advice.
 
I didn't read all the thread because it seemed to me that by page 2 it became a ****y fight (I'm not sure though, because I didn't read all of it).



but,
g8r80 said:
According to my calculations, your nonfat weight at 192 was 153# and at 156#, your nonfat weight is 131#, which means you lost 22# of muscle (if your bf was correct), which means 22 of the 36 pounds you lost were muscle.
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Just because he lost weight that wasn't fat doesn't mean it was all muscle.

Remember, lean weight is any weight that is not fat (Water, organs, muscle, bone, w/e) and body fat percentage is the percent of your weight that is fat. That being said, I can't say that alot of the weight he lost was not muscle. Just sayin, lean weight does not mean only muscle. (that's what I was aware of anyway, someone correct me if I'm wrong).




Anyway, nice job on the cut liquid!
 
ok, I read a bit more.

you should listen to focus and check out westside for skinny bastards III
the routine you posted

liquid85 said:
I think this will be my new routine-

Mon-Push (chest, shoulders, & triceps)
1. Bench press
2. Shoulder press(or lateral raises and front raises)
3. Incline bench press (with dumbbells or barbell)
4. Triceps exercise (skull crushers, tricep extensions, close grip bench or dips)
5. Sit ups, leg raises, or other ab exercise

tue- light cardio

wed-pull (upper back, biceps, & forearms)
1. Pull ups(or Lat pull downs)
2. deadlift
3. Bent over rows
4. EZ bar or Barbell curls(or dumbbell standing curls)
5. Reverse grip curls or incline dumbbell curls
6. Shrugs
7. Side bends (or other oblique exercise)

thur- light cardio

Fri Legs (legs, lower back, & calves)
1. Squat
2. romainian deadlift
3.Calf raises, standing
4.Calf raises, seated
5.Crunches

Should I do 8-12 reps for every lift if I want to gain size?
Opinions on routine?
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is not, in my opinion balanced.

If you did not like Westside for Skinny bastards (and I see no reason why you wouldn't) then check out this thread I made.


http://training.fitness.com/weight-...-split-maybe-read-first-34522.html#post304151

It's a bunch of routines made by worldclass trainers. I assure you they will be more effective than anything you can come up with on your own. No offense or anything, I'm just saying, these are tried-and-true programs.
 
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