"I can make you thin"?

This has turned into quite a debate. All I know is that in two episodes he never once encouraged exersise or eating healthy foods. He simply says eat slowly so you will eat less of the junk you do like. Illinphase makes some good points, somtimes you eat it because it's good for you not because you like it. That's not to say you can't enjoy food, Just somtimes you may need to choke down some veggies for the health benifits. Also how many overweight people are seriously going to go to a pizza buffet everyday and only eat a slice or two? Come on. That's why america is so fat to begin with.
Dallen you really should see the show to see what I'm talking about. He has the crowd chant they can eat what they want, never once suggesting healthful foods. In fact he tells you if you don't like throw it out. He says only eat what you want and he means it. The video he runs of people on his program show them eating bacon, greasy takeout and mac and cheese, never once does he point out the nutritional info for these foods or recommend healthier options.
As for results on this program, it doesn't matter if it works. I know he doesn't promote anerexia but just looking for results is the same thing. Anerxics are thin but not healthy, so just because he parades out so called success stories in no way means this program is a healthful lifestyle. And the fact that it is promoted as such is a shame. People on this forum can see through this stuff but most people know nothing about nutrition and blindly follow this guy, then they lose weight and proclaim it a success.
If this show somehow inspires people to learn about fitness then great, but my problem with it is that starts people out on the complete wrong path. If you like it, then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But it's not healthy plain and simple.
 
liquid85 said:
This has turned into quite a debate. All I know is that in two episodes he never once encouraged exersise or eating healthy foods. He simply says eat slowly so you will eat less of the junk you do like.
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Humor me....please...and look at his site:



look at all the video clips (they are only a few minutes each), and just listen. And/ or read the preface- though I found the clips easier to follow and see what he is really saying.

I'm not saying this is the end all for weight loss, or perfect health, I am just saying he is appealing to peoples common sense, self discipline, and suggests a few techniques to use to help them achieve their goals.

If you look at the video clips, he DOES suggest ways to help motivate people to exercise, he DOES discourage people from eating crap....

There is stuff you don't see on the show that is there on the web site and probably in the books and DVD's. Yes, it is a "method" he came up.

No program is perfect. No program fits everyone. But there are things people can take from this and apply to everyday living that could benefit their desire to be more fit or healthier.

Cheers
Diane
 
I never said he might not make one or two good points. I went to the website but didn't want to register to watch the videos. But lets just say that on the website he does recommend those things. How many more people saw those episodes then went to his website? He may encourage better eating at some point, but to sell his stuff he starts off by saying, and I quote from the main page of his site, "How would you like to eat whatever you want and still lose weight?"
Most people will not dig through his website. You yourself said some of it was hard to follow. Most people see his show and they think they can eat eat whatever they want.
 
liquid85 said:
I never said he might not make one or two good points. I went to the website but didn't want to register to watch the videos. But lets just say that on the website he does recommend those things. How many more people saw those episodes then went to his website? He may encourage better eating at some point, but to sell his stuff he starts off by saying, and I quote from the main page of his site, "How would you like to eat whatever you want and still lose weight?"
Most people will not dig through his website. You yourself said some of it was hard to follow. Most people see his show and they think they can eat eat whatever they want.
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You don't have to register to watch the videos. It would be stupid to start a program and not investigate it.

It's ok if you don't want to educate yourself about what he is saying, but if you are not willing to at least inform yourself, you shouldn't make inaccurate statements about it either.

As Dallen said, some people just won't get it......oh well....
 
gotfit said:
Doesn't mean your unhealthy either. This isn't black and white, there is a middle ground.

High body fat percentage is linked to poor health.

and who says what is being suggested is so unreasonable?

By reasonable, I meant achievable - was actually agreeing that small, achievable changes are the best place to start.

exactly, personally I don't beieve in "the perfect" program, but this is a start.




Who says it was lost in an unhealthy way just because he didn't workout???? Again, I'm all for working out, hell, I do it everyday because I enjoy it, but that doesn't mean you can't loose weight and still be healthy WITHOUT working out. It's not like the man dropped 180lbs in 2 weeks.....

I am speaking of the importance of body composition in comparison to strictly weight in terms of health. Weight loss through diet alone is associated with a higher loss of lean tissue than when combined with exercise. So, while it is still good to lose weight, it is only a small part of the big picture - which is health.

Of course it is a good thing to encourage people to be more mindful of what they eat. I am a firm believer that modern life has shut off our natural ability to listen to our own bodies. All I am saying is that, barring physical limitations, physical activity should be focused on as much as, if not more than, diet alone when giving wt loss/fitness advice.
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deschain said:
Of course it is a good thing to encourage people to be more mindful of what they eat. I am a firm believer that modern life has shut off our natural ability to listen to our own bodies. All I am saying is that, barring physical limitations, physical activity should be focused on as much as, if not more than, diet alone when giving wt loss/fitness advice............
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and your response was based solely on what someone else was saying regarding a topic they are not versed in. He speaks about better eating habits, AND he DOES speak of exercising, and in fact the man that lost all the weight DID exercise.

But nobody is bothering to listen to what he is saying or what is being said on the program. They are too busy trying to pick apart the damn program. If they would just LISTEN for two seconds they could hear what they are missing.....
 
I think the main issue here is that this is a show designed for and targeted to the average American, looking for general weight loss advice.
When you have a site full of certified trainers, fitness chefs, people in college for health related degrees (or have them), and so on - you pretty much get a bunch of people picking apart something that wasn't intended for them in the first place. But then, that's usually what fitness professionals do when they see any diet/fitness plan or program - they analyze the crap out of it. lol
 
deschain said:
I think the main issue here is that this is a show designed for and targeted to the average American, looking for general weight loss advice.
When you have a site full of certified trainers, fitness chefs, people in college for health related degrees (or have them), and so on - you pretty much get a bunch of people picking apart something that wasn't intended for them in the first place. But then, that's usually what fitness professionals do when they see any diet/fitness plan or program - they analyze the crap out of it. lol
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That's my point. The average joe out there sees this show and goes great as long as I don't eat the whole pizza I'll lose weight.
 
gotfit said:
and your response was based solely on what someone else was saying regarding a topic they are not versed in. He speaks about better eating habits, AND he DOES speak of exercising, and in fact the man that lost all the weight DID exercise.

But nobody is bothering to listen to what he is saying or what is being said on the program. They are too busy trying to pick apart the damn program. If they would just LISTEN for two seconds they could hear what they are missing.....
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Do you by any chance work for that show. Are they paying you to come to forums and defend the show. You seem very defensive towards the show.
Several fairly informed people are trying to tell you that what is done on the show is not quite right, but yet.. you wont listen....

As Dallen said, some people just won't get it......oh well.... :rolleyes:
 
deschain said:
I think the main issue here is that this is a show designed for and targeted to the average American, looking for general weight loss advice.
When you have a site full of certified trainers, fitness chefs, people in college for health related degrees (or have them), and so on - you pretty much get a bunch of people picking apart something that wasn't intended for them in the first place. But then, that's usually what fitness professionals do when they see any diet/fitness plan or program - they analyze the crap out of it. lol
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I can appreciate that :)
 
deschain said:
I think the main issue here is that this is a show designed for and targeted to the average American, looking for general weight loss advice.
When you have a site full of certified trainers, fitness chefs, people in college for health related degrees (or have them), and so on - you pretty much get a bunch of people picking apart something that wasn't intended for them in the first place. But then, that's usually what fitness professionals do when they see any diet/fitness plan or program - they analyze the crap out of it. lol
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A good point. I just wish it the show would try and drive more towards total physical wellness, rather than just the single aspect of "being thin."
 
vojdancov said:
Do you by any chance work for that show. Are they paying you to come to forums and defend the show. You seem very defensive towards the show.
Several fairly informed people are trying to tell you that what is done on the show is not quite right, but yet.. you wont listen....

As Dallen said, some people just won't get it......oh well.... :rolleyes:
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No, I just happen to disagree with them.

I think for your average joe, this could be a good place for some to get their bearing.

I was always thin till I had kids. I'm 5'7" and was always between 110-115lbs, a pretty active person. I didn't starve myself, I didn't count calories, I didn't gasp at the site of a cookie. I ate what I wanted, when I was hungry, and stopped when I was full.....Sound familiar????

I did this long before there was some skinny guy screaming about it on a show.

When I got pregnant, I didn't even know until I was already 3 months pregnant! (morning sickness) Didn't show at all, (found out later that is typical in our family- not till around 7 months did anyone show)

However, I was a military wife and was having twins (another thing that ran in our family). The military being in the dark ages as they can be, put me on a "fat diet". I was forced to gain weight and blew up to 185lbs. It was totally unnecessary...After the kids were born, I weighted 158lbs. More than I had even weighted in my life.

On my own, I applied these very concepts to get back to my old weight. It is very basic what he is saying and it works. I dropped back down to 118 lbs. Along with the better eating habits, I did work out. I use to run. I got to the point where I couldn't run anymore and eventually I ended up at my weight now, 125lbs.

I have been on the other side of the spectrum too. Earlier, at a low point in my life I got sooo stressed from work, a family death, and some other things going on in my life, that I literally forgot to eat. I just eventually stopped one day and didn't even notice. I didn't intend to do it, I didn't even *know* I wasn't eating. Then one day a co-worker and friend, suggested I see a doctor for all my stresses. When I went to the doctors office, they weighed me and didn't let me see what I weighted (I wasn't really paying attention and only realized when I asked and they wouldn't tell me).

I thought I was there to talk to the doctor to see what she could do for my stress. Instead she told me she wanted me to get a big bag of 5 cent candy and eat one every 5 minutes.

I thought she was crazy. She said I needed to maintain my weight. HUH? Well when I asked her what I weighted she wouldn't tell me. She told me on my days off to take the damn day off and do nothing and relax. My friend was with me, and they talked to him too. Seems they told him to make sure I eat everyday. Something ....everyday.

I had to learn how to eat again. I had to be reminded to eat. Eventually, I was doing it on my own and making meals, but I had to learn to do it and be aware of everything I ate so that I would be sure to eat enough.

So I guess his show hits home for me as I have been on both sides of the coin and have had to apply these very same concepts to both loose and gain weight.

Cheers,
Diane
 
gotfit said:
No, I just happen to disagree with them.

I think for your average joe, this could be a good place for some to get their bearing.

I was always thin till I had kids. I'm 5'7" and was always between 110-115lbs, a pretty active person. I didn't starve myself, I didn't count calories, I didn't gasp at the site of a cookie. I ate what I wanted, when I was hungry, and stopped when I was full.....Sound familiar????

I did this long before there was some skinny guy screaming about it on a show.

When I got pregnant, I didn't even know until I was already 3 months pregnant! (morning sickness) Didn't show at all, (found out later that is typical in our family- not till around 7 months did anyone show)

However, I was a military wife and was having twins (another thing that ran in our family). The military being in the dark ages as they can be, put me on a "fat diet". I was forced to gain weight and blew up to 185lbs. It was totally unnecessary...After the kids were born, I weighted 158lbs. More than I had even weighted in my life.

On my own, I applied these very concepts to get back to my old weight. It is very basic what he is saying and it works. I dropped back down to 118 lbs. Along with the better eating habits, I did work out. I use to run. I got to the point where I couldn't run anymore and eventually I ended up at my weight now, 125lbs.

I have been on the other side of the spectrum too. Earlier, at a low point in my life I got sooo stressed from work, a family death, and some other things going on in my life, that I literally forgot to eat. I just eventually stopped one day and didn't even notice. I didn't intend to do it, I didn't even *know* I wasn't eating. Then one day a co-worker and friend, suggested I see a doctor for all my stresses. When I went to the doctors office, they weighed me and didn't let me see what I weighted (I wasn't really paying attention and only realized when I asked and they wouldn't tell me).

I thought I was there to talk to the doctor to see what she could do for my stress. Instead she told me she wanted me to get a big bag of 5 cent candy and eat one every 5 minutes.

I thought she was crazy. She said I needed to maintain my weight. HUH? Well when I asked her what I weighted she wouldn't tell me. She told me on my days off to take the damn day off and do nothing and relax. My friend was with me, and they talked to him too. Seems they told him to make sure I eat everyday. Something ....everyday.

I had to learn how to eat again. I had to be reminded to eat. Eventually, I was doing it on my own and making meals, but I had to learn to do it and be aware of everything I ate so that I would be sure to eat enough.

So I guess his show hits home for me as I have been on both sides of the coin and have had to apply these very same concepts to both loose and gain weight.

Cheers,
Diane
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I understand that you've had a hard time, and still , today you're managing to keep a reasonable weight for your height. I respect that .
Eating candy every 5 minutes will help you maintaing and/or gain weight.
However, why not do that in the right and healthy way.
Eat a lot of whole wheat pasta and bread, make your own shakes with milk, oats, flax and whey for example. You'll be getting a lot of calories and being healthy.

I can't imagine eating candy all day to gain weight. That would be really bad for your health if done frequently.
Everything can be achieved in order to reach your goals.
If you want to lose weight I believed that it should be done the right and healthy way. It's all in your head, if you set your mind to it, you can achieve your goals.
One year ago I was a couch potato, eating large amounts of junk foods. I drank half a gallon of soda per day (mostly coke), and didn't put anything healthy in my mouth.

One day I made a decision, I'm not gonna have this crappy body, I'm gonna have a healthy muscular body. And I changed my diet and life, and I'm feeling great. I did it the right way. I didn't do it my gradually decreasing the amount junk food I eat, but by making a radical change, and eliminating bad foods completely, and bringing in the healthy stuff.
In order to do this you really have to have your mind set to it.
It was very hard in the first few weeks but after that you develop a habit of eating like that and it's not so hard sticking to the healthy diet plan.

If the people on the show have set their mind to losing weight, they should make a big change, change their eating habits!
Limiting the amount of food eaten is not the solution if the food eaten is an unhealthy food like pizza, fast-food etc...
Yeah maybe they'll lose a little weight by limiting their portions, but once they get back into real life they're not gonna watch their food so much, and probably regain the weight.

In order to have a healthy and fit body in the long term, they need to change their eating habits. They need to start eating healthy, that way, once they get used to eating healthy and see how good they feel by eating healthy, they're gonna start enjoying it and develop a habit of eating that kind of food. Eventually they're gonna forget about pizza and burgers and enjoy the fruits and veggies, as well as their lean bodies.
 
vojdancov said:
I understand that you've had a hard time, and still , today you're managing to keep a reasonable weight for your height. I respect that .
Eating candy every 5 minutes will help you maintaing and/or gain weight.
However, why not do that in the right and healthy way. [/qoute]

Yeah, pretty nasty way to maintain weight, but I don't know how long I had not eaten, and I had lost enough weight ( i'm guessing I was well under 100 lbs) that she wanted something that was fast into my system, small enought to take in little doses and I wouldn't feel sick eating it, and with enough calories to keep me from sinking further.


vojdancov said:
I can't imagine eating candy all day to gain weight. That would be really bad for your health if done frequently.
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it was just to maintain my weight. I had to be reminded to eat too. My friend (thank god) would check in on me and literally take me to eat, or make me something to eat and sit with me so I ate it. I was fine eating, I just was in such a blur it wasn't even on my mind.

I definitely would NOT do that to gain weight or for any nutritional plan! It was just what the doctor ordered.


vojdancov said:
One year ago I was a couch potato, eating large amounts of junk foods. I drank half a gallon of soda per day (mostly coke), and didn't put anything healthy in my mouth.

One day I made a decision, I'm not gonna have this crappy body, I'm gonna have a healthy muscular body. And I changed my diet and life, and I'm feeling great. I did it the right way. I didn't do it my gradually decreasing the amount junk food I eat, but by making a radical change, and eliminating bad foods completely, and bringing in the healthy stuff.
In order to do this you really have to have your mind set to it.
It was very hard in the first few weeks but after that you develop a habit of eating like that and it's not so hard sticking to the healthy diet plan.
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I can be like you also. I am the "cold turkey" type and with a lot of sheer will power and determination I can do anything I set my mind to. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who can't do that. Some people have to take small steps to achieve their goals.

I think the goal is for people to change their eating habits, learn how to eat better, and exercise and live happier healthier lives, but everyone has their own path to getting there. We eventually end up on similar roads, but how long we travel it and all the side roads is different for everyone. We just all need to make it to the highway :D


Congrats on your successes :)

cheers
Diane
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gotfit said:
On my own, I applied these very ' concepts ' to get back to my old weight. It is very basic what he is saying and it works. I dropped back down to 118 lbs. Along with the better eating habits, I did work out. I use to run. I got to the point where I couldn't run anymore and eventually I ended up at my weight now, 125lbs.

So I guess his show hits home for me as I have been on both sides of the coin and have had to apply these very same ' concepts ' to both loose and gain weight. Diane
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When you say " concepts ", are your referring to the 4 key elements of McKenna's system, namely...

1. Eat whenever you are hungry
2. Eat only what you want, never what you think you ‘should’
3. Eat consciously and enjoy every mouthful
4. Stop when you even think your body is full​


...or something else entirely .....or something else in addition to these 4 rules ?
 
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gotfit said:
and your response was based solely on what someone else was saying regarding a topic they are not versed in. He speaks about better eating habits, AND he DOES speak of exercising, and in fact the man that lost all the weight DID exercise.

But nobody is bothering to listen to what he is saying or what is being said on the program. They are too busy trying to pick apart the damn program. If they would just LISTEN for two seconds they could hear what they are missing.....
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It requires more than simply informing someone of what to eat, what to do etc. Studies show that even with serious heart patients, more than half of them relapse despite the fact it could save there life.
 
matt182 said:
Studies show that even with serious heart patients, more than half of them relapse despite the fact it could save there life.
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I know several of those, I'm sure we all do.

That's a whole other ball of wax right there. ---- All of the factors that influence our ability to stick with better habits (even in the face of imminent health problems).
 
Wrangell said:
When you say " concepts ", are your referring to the 4 key elements of McKenna's system, namely...

1. Eat whenever you are hungry
2. Eat only what you want, never what you think you ‘should’
3. Eat consciously and enjoy every mouthful
4. Stop when you even think your body is full​


...or something else entirely .....or something else in addition to these 4 rules ?
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those and others he mentions on his site and within the tv program. Whan he is saying isn't anything new really, it's a very back to basics sort of thinking...in my opinion.....
 
matt182 said:
It requires more than simply informing someone of what to eat, what to do etc. Studies show that even with serious heart patients, more than half of them relapse despite the fact it could save there life.
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You can say this about a lot of things.....It's a mental state of wanting to achieve something that motivates a person to do anything....But for everyone depends on what will provide that motivation....
 
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