Protien doesnt help you gain muscles..?

you need enough protein for optimal muscle gains. If you don't have the protein your body needs to make muscle, it can't make muscle. However, you can't force your body to build more muscle than it's other processes allow simply by adding more protein.
 
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But yea what they are saying though is you dont benefit from protine at all...and I bet DHHS invested a lot of money to find out if it actully does benefit you
 
Just eating proteins without actually stressing the body will not actually create muscle growth. Are you sure that they don't mean protein supplements? Most average exercisers get enough protein in their diet (if they are eating right) that they don't need protein supplements (though they can still help with immediate recovery after exercise).
 
They didnt mention anything about protien supplements, just natural old protien. And I know protien wont give you muscles if you never work out, or else everyone would be walking around with a body like arnold...lol so basically people shouldnt go out of there way and take protien shakes and crap like that...wow
 
Henetra said:
They didnt mention anything about protien supplements, just natural old protien. And I know protien wont give you muscles if you never work out, or else everyone would be walking around with a body like arnold...lol so basically people shouldnt go out of there way and take protien shakes and crap like that...wow
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Depends solely on the volume and intensity of training. If you are training on the level of an collegiate or professional athlete, then you need to supplement with either protein supplements or increasing the general amount of protein in your diet.

However, even for the general exerciser, energy+protein drinks immediately after exercise can aid in short term recovery.
 
I see protein shakes as something convenient, but not necessary, for muscle growth. It's much easier to consume a protein shake after a workout than a bunch of meat. Plus, protein and carb consumption help stop the breakdown of muscle tissue and encourage more muscle growth. It's more a matter of timing than amount when it comes to protein. Protein supplements are ideal for some because they're quick to make and are digested quickly after a workout.
 
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Read the part about protient, not about the fricking carbs. If you look at the heading of the page it says "Beef up your knowledge of protein and good dietary sources."

This is quoted right off the website..

"How Much Protein Is Enough?
We've all heard the myth that extra protein builds more muscle. In fact, the only way to build muscle is through exercise. Bodies need a modest amount of protein to function well. Extra protein doesn't give you extra strength. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services"
 
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I was saying the article is not making good points. "he" was refering to the person writing the article, not you. And you've only read page 1.. there are 3 pages.
 
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how about you STFU Henetra and stop arguing with people that are trying to help you you can either listen to these guys or read your poxy article and go with that.
 
I think it was a pretty good article.

I wouldnt interpret it though as you that protein isnt needed for muscle gain.

But that for most people getting enough protein is pretty easy and enough, contrary to many people believing they need much more protein than reccomended.
 
matt, didn't you find the articles argument to have many holes? Like the calsium, magnesium thing etc? Ok, just eat more calsium.. Most of the arguments could easily be avoided if you just knew about it and payed attention to what you ate. Also the whole satured fat thing (that most animal sources high in protein are also high in sat fat) if you're aware of what you're eating you can find foods that are high in protein and not high in sat fat. Also he said it was better getting protein sources from veg sources, like nuts, but he doesn't mention that it's kind of hard to get complete protein from veg sources. There were some good arguments as to how it could be dangeoraus, but mostly, the message I got was "If you don't know what you're doing, don't try low carb diets" since you then won't know how to counter the side effects.

Also, first he mentions how it will make you burn more fat, and explains ketosis, then he goes right on saying how burning protein leaves ammonia, which we don't know if is safe... where did that whole protein thing come from? It totally threw me off. He should explain why you will burn more protein with that diet. Is it because with the lack of carbs the body will turn to protein as a major source of energy and burn more protein than it would with carbs? Why can't the body just get energy from the fat that is consumed.
The no veggies and fruits argument also doesn't hold, since most low carb diets have all their carbs from fruit and veggies (not many diets have 0 carbs, alteast I have seen none)

That's just the feelings I got after reading the article. I do agree though, you don't have to go crazy about getting more protein than you actually need (how much that is is a discussion for another time, so let's not get into that)
 
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matt, didn't you find the articles argument to have many holes? Like the calsium, magnesium thing etc? Ok, just eat more calsium.. Most of the arguments could easily be avoided if you just knew about it and payed attention to what you ate. Also the whole satured fat thing (that most animal sources high in protein are also high in sat fat) if you're aware of what you're eating you can find foods that are high in protein and not high in sat fat. Also he said it was better getting protein sources from veg sources, like nuts, but he doesn't mention that it's kind of hard to get complete protein from veg sources. There were some good arguments as to how it could be dangeoraus, but mostly, the message I got was "If you don't know what you're doing, don't try low carb diets" since you then won't know how to counter the side effects.

Also, first he mentions how it will make you burn more fat, and explains ketosis, then he goes right on saying how burning protein leaves ammonia, which we don't know if is safe... where did that whole protein thing come from? It totally threw me off. He should explain why you will burn more protein with that diet. Is it because with the lack of carbs the body will turn to protein as a major source of energy and burn more protein than it would with carbs? Why can't the body just get energy from the fat that is consumed.
The no veggies and fruits argument also doesn't hold, since most low carb diets have all their carbs from fruit and veggies (not many diets have 0 carbs, alteast I have seen none)

That's just the feelings I got after reading the article. I do agree though, you don't have to go crazy about getting more protein than you actually need (how much that is is a discussion for another time, so let's not get into that)
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I just had a quick read and thought it was good.

It is true that whenever going on high protein low carb its best to be monitored by a nutritionist. I know about the calcium loss, maybe the obvious choice of therefore eating more calcium still wont balance the equation because it doesnt get deposited. Im no nutritionist and even they dont know about the long term effects of such a diet.

It may appear to have some hols but that because it trys to avoid being evasive and thats the whole point of the article, then you could go research your self particular points that interested you. I also believe protein takes more energy to be digested, and that some of the excess protein in the blood will be used for some energy.
 
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