Chillen: The way I approached my Diet (synopsis)

I wanted to take the time to reveal the bottom line of my diet after trial and error, and the various techniques that I used along the way. I tried to write this with simplicity in mind. The purpose is not to provoke a fierce debate.

While I understand that being this technical and meticulous isn’t for everyone, it may be possible that there may be some information I am giving that may benefit another forum member. And, this is the primary purpose.

This approach has worked for me, is working for me, and subsequent opinions contrary to this approach likewise doesn’t matter.

After educating myself on the basic requirements of tissue loss and tissue gain, I quickly learned there were many opinions and opinions on these opinions, and one could easily get confused on where to start and which basic circumference of information to use for ones goal. But there tended to be some dust that settled on simple basics.

I also looked at several different methods of caloric Maintenance formulas. (like NROL, Benedict, and the basic multiplier, and they still didnt really satisify WHAT I WANTED--more specific--detailed)

I sat myself down, and wrote down every possible dietary weakness and strengths I possessed. I literally tore myself apart being honest. I developed a “On Limits Food List” and an “Off Limits Food List”. I evaluated my living environment and work environment, its associated effects and causes, and what would applicably have negative and positive effects on my goal, and set reaction in place)

I developed a list of bad food items that could be made to be more healthy that I liked (for example: Oatmeal cookies, and Peanut Butter Cookies, and replaced the ingredients in these to the more healthy alternative—like Splenda for the replacement of white refined sugar, and whole wheat flour instead of white bleached flour, and so on and so forth).

I developed a CLEAR strategy in dealing with my weaknesses (and changing ingredients in sweet items-like the aforementioned- is one example as it assisted with the “I want something sweet—DAMN IT!” type of situation).

There was NOTHING I wasn’t prepared for, Mentally, if my body began to resist or crave certain things as I progressed forward. This was key, and an entirely different writing. (and one I would do if asked, because the system I have in place could work for another person)


Therefore, I decided to make a Excel Spread Sheet for my diet calorie and activity tracker. The First Tab was the equation set from the Benedict Formula, and the accompanying activity multiplier (s). I plugged in my age, gender, weight, height, and approximated activity set, and this produced a approximated Maintenance Line according to the Benedict Formula. This was really just a look back reference page (and man in the end--it IS WAY OFF)

What I didn’t like about this formula, is its general broad and blanketed scope it gave for each day, with having knowledge that each day can be drastically different from one day to the next.

One could move and/or change the multiplier for a given day, but this too, I thought had the same broad effect. I could have used other MT opinions (like NROL, and others, but they too suffer from---what I wanted…a more narrowed and more specific caloric calculation to me. I am not arguing that they don’t work—they do, and have been proven to work, and I post these to assist others, it’s just that it wasn’t for me—exactly anyway)

Therefore, I sought to educate myself on the approximated calorie expenditure based on certain activities being performed that was based on the variances of: Age, height, weight, and gender.

The activity segments were broken down in this manner: 1. Work, 2. Off Work, 3. Workout day(with or without cardio) with Work, 4. Workout-Rest(with or without cardio)with Work, 5. Workout day(with or without cardio)with an Off-Work day, 6. Workout-Rest(with or without cardio)with Off-Work day, 7. Wake hours on Work days (not including work hours), and Wake hours on Off-Work days, and 8. Sleep hours. Dependent on the day, then, I would apply the applicable variances that were applicable for a given day.

Examples: A Work Day with a Workout(without cardio): Work hours (8), Sleep hours (8), Awake hours (8-1=7), Workout (1). In the hourly sense the day is completely covered more thoroughly and independently according to personal activities.

I then made another spreadsheet listing the variable activities and the applicable variances in hours in use for that particular day. I then made this connect to another spreadsheet that I configured to use daily, weekly, and monthly, and would copy and move a blank one forward for a subsequent month.

The next task was attempting to approximate the calories according to the variances I configured for myself each day. I studied the approximation science of how many calories were burned dependent upon the activity performed, and since there were going to be applicable fluctuations in any one determined activity segment, I decided to come to terms on a “medium” and would apply the variance, if applicable. (for example, working 10 hours instead of 8, or maybe work was more demanding than normal, etc).

I basically have a desk job, but I can tend to be on my feet for extended period of time dependent upon the problems and situation. Looking this sort of activity up (sitting at a desk with a PC, tends to give an approximated hourly caloric expenditure of 120c per hour, so I mediated the difference to 150 per hour(and sometimes this needs adjusted)

Sleep hours: Looking this sort of activity up tends to range between 60c to 80c per hour. (If I get less sleep, I subtract the hours and make up the caloric difference, if I get more than 8, I add hours, and adjust caloric figures)

Awake Hours: This can be 8 (8-1) or 16(16-1) hours dependant if I am off-work, working, and Workout variances. Like work, this can have MANY caloric expenditure variances. But, like work I can be on my feet a lot and not be. Therefore, I settled with the same 120c per hour (and had since narrowed this a bit higher)

Workout: One hour. I tend to vary this as well. It depends in rest between sets, whether I am lifting heavy (low reps), or higher (6 to10, or 8 to 12), etc. This can range from 250c to 450c (and higher), if it lasts 45 min, I simply don’t call it one hour, I adjust accordingly.

Cardio: Depends on whether it’s 20m, 30m, 40m, 45m, 50m, or 60m, along with projected intensity level (I am terribly honest—there is no other way). I do an upright recumbent stationary bike (with back rest). I don’t do these like a normal person either. I hoist 45lb plates over my head with both arms hold them in the air for extended periods, then I will grab two 10lb plates and thrust them forward in a pumping fashion, etc. I don’t mess around. Admittingly, I don’t like running. So the bike fits and allows me to do what I have to do to get the job done at the time. And, if there are any double, triple, and quadruple cardio sessions in one day, I of course, make caloric adjustments (which is already in excel-mathematically).

We now have each day particularly broken down according to what I am doing, and can be adjusted accordingly when obvious differences and/or variances occur in a particular day. With some refinements, and the fact I had to change caloric approximations because of weight changes, I have my expenditure pretty much narrowed down to a personal science, and my weight loss was indeed matching my projections in excel.

Each days Maintenance Line is taylored to a specific day by specifically what I am doing that day, and this MT line is subject to the 24 hour dietary cycle.

The 24 hour diet cycle clock.

For example: 7AM to 7AM (24 hours) would be one dietary hourly cycle where ALL caloric consumption would occur and be counted for that day. I didn’t adjust this clock cycle around work. Rather I would sometimes adjust this cycle according to the scheduled workout, AND whether work effected its schedule or not. At first there were no adjustments that were necessary even WITH work effecting the timing of the workouts.

But, as I lost weight and my body fat was dropping and getting relatively low, I had to make dietary 24 hour cycle clock adjustments. I always tended to look at my diet caloric totals first if a problem developed and projections were off. I thought this may be an indication of a bodily adjustment and/or refinement and/or adaption to the caloric content the body was being given in accordance to activity stimulation.

I studied some more, and then implemented the: CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack techniques, which are basically caloric manipulations in a 24hour dietary cycle. The results from implanting these manipulations (in accordance to my personal goal) were above astounding.

When I begin to explain these manipulations, I want you to keep in mind the very meticulous and specific caloric projections that were tailored to myself in accordance and/or in sync with what I was doing a particular day.
One can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.

For example: (This can be adjusted to suite different personal situations, the hours provided are only an example to give you an idea on how it works)

Say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM (work is 11P to 7A), you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), and technically your over your limit at that time, but let’s say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you could switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an exercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit(though exercise) instead of a balance.

I call this Cycle Back. The 24 hour clock can be anytime adjusted to your daily routine. This cycle back can assist with craving yearnings without the guilt of thinking your over eating. It feeds you and your mentality at the same time. One just has to adjust the next day as a consequence, but it’s something in place to assist with hunger when needed and assist the body in not adjusting to you. In addition, it can provide some extra calories for your workout coming up.

Within the Cycle Back, you can also decide to leave the surplus, of say +300 or so, to allow the body to think it ate too much, and then adjust the CycleBack to 3A to 3A (which is good to do with long term dieters---once in a while)

I use the cycle back most of the time to give the appearance of extra calories, to provide more energy--at the time for weight training, but in the end of things........the next day, it cancels out and I bring a deficit through exercise. But not all the time.

There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Let’s use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock. If working 11p to 7a, and a scheduled Workout was at 8a, this would be ideal to allow time for digestion, and have extra calories BEFORE workout. I then would eat after workout as well.

This is the tougher side of the equation, though, but this can used to assist cravings, but at the same time, you have to space out the meals a bit more intelligently, as you consumed some of the calories prior to the clock starting, but still counting in the same clock, so there is a consequence.

Both of these cycle types I constantly used when I lost my weight, and it worked for me and there is no doubt about it.

The CycleFlipBack, is just intentionally moving the hours 3 to 4 hours earlier than the cycle before it. For example: using the same 7a to 7a example, I would eat at 3a about 4 hours earlier than when the 24 hour diet cycle actually ended. Next day keep it at 3a to 3a, next day after this, move it back another 4 hours, keep it the same, and then flipback again. What you have taking place here is a small surplus, deficit, small surplus, deficit, and so on. This messes with the body pretty good, ya think? In all this, I know what the surplus in caloric content is, and with the deficit, and whether any of the days cancel out. I believe this is smart—when advancing in goals and when weight loss plateau’s develop, to have something in place to TRY to combat problems. And, the diet is one major player in the equation, and needs careful consideration in my opinion.

I ate frequently, but inconsistantly (just not at the same times, I mean). I implemented the 95-5 approach to my diet. This means that if I allow a RARE cheat item 5% of the time (and put this in the caloric projection, and then sometimes--allow an overage (think the caloric manipulations), then this 5% is not gonna erase the 95% that is correct. This is not possible.

But this only works if you are in fact 95% correct and faithful, LOL. And, one has to consider that most of the time I was 100%---faithful--for months, and the 5% rarely came about, and if did, I was prepared, and would allow it, without hurting my goal path. One has to allow breathing room, and cant have the belt wrapped to tight. One has to breath. And if one does, maybe 100% isnt so hard to achieve. If you can understand what I am trying to say.

This is just a brief synopsis. I hope this helps someone in some way. This was my intention on writing this.


Best regards,


Chillen
 
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can i ask a question?

Over a 1 month period, was the mean caloric maintenance level fairly close to the caloric Maintenance calculated by the benedict formula after subtracting just the calories burnt from exercise?
 
The benedict does it two ways. The first figure is the base need calorie set, which it figures I need about 1563c, and with a mulitplier of 1.33 which includes activities, its just a tad past 2,079.68 (with wgt being 153, age 46, height 5ft 7in (converted), its WAY OFF.

I know there are higher multipliers, but, I dont like the "Blanket" effect. Now if you were to do a multiplier of 1.55, it then becomes 2423c--a little closer--for a day like today, BUT NOT 2morrow however. See the problems? I dont like this. I dont like the idea of flipping the multipliers nor sticking with one mulitplier either. But, this is just me.

The end result take today for example, With Work, Workout 1, and Workout 30, and no cardio, MT line is 2600c (actually 2585), and this caloric MT has been tested by myself and CURRENTLY for this type day, its perfect. The 1.55 is close with ACTIVITY multiplyer, but still off.
 
The end result take today for example, With Work, Workout 1, and Workout 30, and no cardio, MT line is 2600c (actually 2585), and this caloric MT has been tested by myself and CURRENTLY for this type day, its perfect. The 1.55 is close with ACTIVITY multiplyer, but still off.

Yea i completely understand what your saying, however, Like if u selected what ever the multiplier that best suits the life you live without doing exercise then was this close to the values you got after you subtract the number of gym activity calories for that period?


What i mean is, when i use the MT, i just add what ever calories i burn doing exercises. So i assume every day is similarly active so i use like the 1.3x multiplier then just add how ever many calories i burn at the gym on top of that.

So i'm wondering whether after all your calculations if you remove gym calories from your calculations is it similar to the 'blanket' calculation?
 
Yea i completely understand what your saying, however, Like if u selected what ever the multiplier that best suits the life you live without doing exercise then was this close to the values you got after you subtract the number of gym activity calories for that period?


What i mean is, when i use the MT, i just add what ever calories i burn doing exercises. So i assume every day is similarly active so i use like the 1.3x multiplier then just add how ever many calories i burn at the gym on top of that.

So i'm wondering whether after all your calculations if you remove gym calories from your calculations is it similar to the 'blanket' calculation?

No, its not. For example removing workout 1, and workout 30, and just leaving work only then, and other natural activities, the MT results are: 2225 (no exercise, just a typical work day, and a work day off, and no exercise its even lower than that). ITs off by +200c, and 200c is important to me, when you consider it takes 3500c to lose one approximated pound of tissue.

My understanding is the multiplier within the benedict is suppose to take care of exercise and activities at the same time, and if this is true (and not adding on top of the multiplier number (which is a different story and approach), its not close.

This is the first time I have heard of adding exercise calorie activities ON TOP of the multiplier used in benedict. Which is rather interesting, but not the accuracy I desire when my desire was to get the abs to show.
 
The end result take today for example, With Work, Workout 1, and Workout 30, and no cardio, MT line is 2600c (actually 2585), and this caloric MT has been tested by myself and CURRENTLY for this type day, its perfect. The 1.55 is close with ACTIVITY multiplyer, but still off.

I think your standards are a little high Chillen, a formula is never going to be as acurate as the person specific spreadsheet you made for yourself but I think it's good to give people a rough indication or a 'ball park' figure to work with.

Great work with the diet though, your dedication amazes me :beerchug:
 
TO build on the 200c difference in yesterday's example. This can allow me to eat an extra small chicken breast, or why protein powder and skim milk (110 + 80). And in my opinion, if your defict dieting (or was), the added C has extra benefits. Not knowing that I had the extra 200c, could have hurt me I could deficited TOO LOW, and this I dont want to do.
 
TO build on the 200c difference in yesterday's example. This can allow me to eat an extra small chicken breast, or why protein powder and skim milk (110 + 80). And in my opinion, if your defict dieting (or was), the added C has extra benefits. Not knowing that I had the extra 200c, could have hurt me I could deficited TOO LOW, and this I dont want to do.



In your opinion what is to large a deficit?
 
I favor the lower deficit ranges or about 300c to 400c below maintenance, to further minimize any muscle loss. I was generally about -350, depending on the cycle being used at the time.

Yes, this is slower, but I believe its the better way to go. And, has worked for me. By the way I lost nearly 30 pounds. I use to weigh about 185.
 
"""""There was NOTHING I wasn’t prepared for, Mentally, if my body began to resist or crave certain things as I progressed forward. This was key, and an entirely different writing. (and one I would do if asked, because the system I have in place could work for another person)"""""

I am interested in this part too.

also, if i "feel" a deficit but don't take the time to do the calculations, what would you say to that?

Meaning, i can feel myself "taxing" the system. And I know the cal count is in deficit, I just don't have any idea how much. In addition I have also been able to manage the desire to binge.

I do this with the mental:

"in training, total athlete, suffer beeeyatch!!!" (talking to myself of course)

maybe not the best metal coping tool. but it works, so far.
 
"""""There was NOTHING I wasn’t prepared for, Mentally, if my body began to resist or crave certain things as I progressed forward. This was key, and an entirely different writing. (and one I would do if asked, because the system I have in place could work for another person)"""""

I am interested in this part too.

also, if i "feel" a deficit but don't take the time to do the calculations, what would you say to that?

Meaning, i can feel myself "taxing" the system. And I know the cal count is in deficit, I just don't have any idea how much. In addition I have also been able to manage the desire to binge.

I do this with the mental:

"in training, total athlete, suffer beeeyatch!!!" (talking to myself of course)

maybe not the best metal coping tool. but it works, so far.

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I will write it because you requested it. It will be rather long (chillen is an old windbag, anyway. If one hasnt noticed, LOL)

Feeling the deficit and feeling the taxing of the system. The two can be related and/or adjoined for certain reasons, and separated from one another for certain reasons. For example, IF in fact you are in deficit, AND you train hard, BOTH of these stimulants TAX the body. However, you could not be in a deficit, be at MT Line, or have a surplus, and still be TAXED because of hard training and not enough rest time. (your winging it, how would you know--for sure, unless you already figured what your body needs calorie wise and you can just do this mentally now)

However, if you in fact have a detailed diet plan, training plan, rest plan, (and aware of some environmental factors, such as work and stress), one can narrow down certain biological feelings one obtains with diet and training. I like this far better than wondering WHY I feel a certain way, and not knowing where to look for answer. At least this way, I can begin to look right in "the foundation" of the matter and have tools to work with to work out this complication. I advocate this approach.

This was my broad answer.

Chillen
 
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Hi mate first of all congrats on your achievements. Once I joined this forum I stepped on your cutting thread. Amazing. Why am I sending you this message? I have waited for 5 days since asking you to be me helper. People like you can help me because you have experienced it yourself. I would be grateful if you can help me achieve my goals. First of all my details:

SORRY FOR THE LONG PM BUT I DOO NEED THIS A LOT MATE.PLEASE.
18 yrs
30.5" waistline
67kg
5"5 tall
12% body fat

these are my pics:


front-


side-

My goal is to be physically well built with also the ability to run/sprint with great stamina. Sort of the abilities of a soccer player. this type of body I mean:
not exaggerated just well built with defined abs.
My current split workout (which I have just started)
Monday- cardio (30mins), 5-6 hrs later Legs+ Abs

(legs: dumbbell calf raises x 30 (sets of 10)
hamstring dumbbell lunges x 30 (sets of 8)
squats x 30 (sets of 8)
single dumbell squats x 30 (sets of 8) )
+ abs

Tuesday- Rest
Wednesday- Chest + Triceps+ Tabata Sprints

(chest: incline dumbell flyes x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbbell bench press x 30 (sets of 8)
hammer grip incline dumbbell press x 30 (sets of 8)
declined pushups x 30 (sets of 10)
normal pushhups x 30 (sets of 10)
triceps: bench dips x 40 (sets of 10)
dumbell extensions x 30 (sets of 8)
decline dumbell extensions x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbell kickbakcs x 30 (sets of 8))

Thursday- Shoulders+ Traps+ Abs+ Tabata Sprints

(shoulders:dumbell raises x 30 (sets of 8)
twisting dumbell presses x 30 (sets of 8)
seated deltoid presses x 30 (sets of 8)
traps: dumbell shrugs x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbell upright rows x 30 (sets of 8))

Friday- Rest
Saturday- Abs+ cardio (30mins)
Sunday- Back + Biceps+ Forerams

(back: lower back stiff deadlifts x 30 (sets of 8)
middle back arm dumbell rows x 30 (sets of 8)
forearms: wrist curls x 30 (sets of 8)
standing dumbell reverse curls x 30 (sets of 8)
biceps: bicep curl x 30 (sets of 8)
hammer curls x 30 (sets of 8)

I used to do full body workouts. 3 days of weights and 3 days of cardio/hiit or sprints.Normally I used to also do cardio/hiiit/sprints on my weight days because I felt that I could do so. But people have recommended me not to do so with weights + I thought I was doing overtraining.

My diet:
Poultry (chicken,turkey etc)
All kind of meat
Salads (vegetables,corn and tomatoes mainly)
Fruit (oranges,apples,pears,peaches,bananas)
Oatmeal and Special K (for breakfast obviously)
3 eggs a day (2 whites, 1 full)
Canned tuna in brine
Cheese (low fat)
Almonds,
Milk
Low fat yogurt
Olives, olive oil and capers
Brown bread -(I rarely have)
These last 3 days since I started cutting this was my diet mainly:
Day 1
breakfast- 2 oatmeal with skimmed milk + fruit (orange) + 5 eggs (4 whites)

workout- abs + Tabata sprints

post workout meal- 1 oatmeal with 2 cups skimmed milk + turkey + can of tuna

1pm apple

2pm steak with 2 potatoes and veg.

5pm 2 turkey slices and some capers + cup of skimmed milk

day 2
did 30min cardio and my breakfast consisted of:

1 Special k cereal serving , 1 cup skimmmed milk, 3 eggs (2 whites), and 2 small chicken breast left overs from yesterday. as for drinking I drank 2 litres of water.

11am- fat free yogurt + 2 pears

2pm- veg salad with can of tuna

5pm- (preworkout)- large cup skimmed milk, 3 egg whites , 5 black olives.

6-workout (abs and legs)

handful of almonds

7.30pm- (post workout)- big bowl of veg salad + 2 portions cubrol + 3 small fat free cheese

8pm chicken and a lot of vegeteble salad + 2 slices fat free cheese and 8 almonds


day 3 (rest day)
breakfast: oatmeal,orange and 3 eggs (2 whites)
11am- veg salad with pieces of meat+ apple
1pm- yogurt + pear

3pm- pork + veg salad + orange
5pm- 8 walnuts+ 2 cups of milk
8pm- 2 portions chicken breast + 2 slices fat free cheese.

As you can see im keeping carbs all before 12pm. Fats late at night.

All this info can give you a great idea I think. Now what I’d like you to do (for some days maybe?) is help me regulate and put everything into position since my goal is pretty much like your body.
I would like you to tell me your diet which you used to get ripped/to cut for the abs to show. If mine is good, and you just need to give me some tips feel free to do so.
Secondly, most important I would like you to tell me what your workouts (weights,hiit,cardio) consisted of. I am very mixed up about what’s the best for someone cutting and about the reps he needs to make to actually cut. Full body workouts or split workouts for someone who is cutting?C Can you give me a schedule of your workouts please? (sets,reps)
Man, this may seem annoying to you but you don’t know of what value your help would be, because I get totally confused with the different point of views of people. Thanks a lot man. Please make my day, and goals come true! Thanks a lot.
 
Wow. This is really impressive, but I really don't think I could pay attention to such detail. I'd go totally crazy!
 
Hi mate first of all congrats on your achievements. Once I joined this forum I stepped on your cutting thread. Amazing. Why am I sending you this message? I have waited for 5 days since asking you to be me helper. People like you can help me because you have experienced it yourself. I would be grateful if you can help me achieve my goals. First of all my details:

SORRY FOR THE LONG PM BUT I DOO NEED THIS A LOT MATE.PLEASE.
18 yrs
30.5" waistline
67kg
5"5 tall
12% body fat

these are my pics:


front-


side-

My goal is to be physically well built with also the ability to run/sprint with great stamina. Sort of the abilities of a soccer player. this type of body I mean:
not exaggerated just well built with defined abs.
My current split workout (which I have just started)
Monday- cardio (30mins), 5-6 hrs later Legs+ Abs

(legs: dumbbell calf raises x 30 (sets of 10)
hamstring dumbbell lunges x 30 (sets of 8)
squats x 30 (sets of 8)
single dumbell squats x 30 (sets of 8) )
+ abs

Tuesday- Rest
Wednesday- Chest + Triceps+ Tabata Sprints

(chest: incline dumbell flyes x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbbell bench press x 30 (sets of 8)
hammer grip incline dumbbell press x 30 (sets of 8)
declined pushups x 30 (sets of 10)
normal pushhups x 30 (sets of 10)
triceps: bench dips x 40 (sets of 10)
dumbell extensions x 30 (sets of 8)
decline dumbell extensions x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbell kickbakcs x 30 (sets of 8))

Thursday- Shoulders+ Traps+ Abs+ Tabata Sprints

(shoulders:dumbell raises x 30 (sets of 8)
twisting dumbell presses x 30 (sets of 8)
seated deltoid presses x 30 (sets of 8)
traps: dumbell shrugs x 30 (sets of 8)
dumbell upright rows x 30 (sets of 8))

Friday- Rest
Saturday- Abs+ cardio (30mins)
Sunday- Back + Biceps+ Forerams

(back: lower back stiff deadlifts x 30 (sets of 8)
middle back arm dumbell rows x 30 (sets of 8)
forearms: wrist curls x 30 (sets of 8)
standing dumbell reverse curls x 30 (sets of 8)
biceps: bicep curl x 30 (sets of 8)
hammer curls x 30 (sets of 8)

I used to do full body workouts. 3 days of weights and 3 days of cardio/hiit or sprints.Normally I used to also do cardio/hiiit/sprints on my weight days because I felt that I could do so. But people have recommended me not to do so with weights + I thought I was doing overtraining.

My diet:
Poultry (chicken,turkey etc)
All kind of meat
Salads (vegetables,corn and tomatoes mainly)
Fruit (oranges,apples,pears,peaches,bananas)
Oatmeal and Special K (for breakfast obviously)
3 eggs a day (2 whites, 1 full)
Canned tuna in brine
Cheese (low fat)
Almonds,
Milk
Low fat yogurt
Olives, olive oil and capers
Brown bread -(I rarely have)
These last 3 days since I started cutting this was my diet mainly:
Day 1
breakfast- 2 oatmeal with skimmed milk + fruit (orange) + 5 eggs (4 whites)

workout- abs + Tabata sprints

post workout meal- 1 oatmeal with 2 cups skimmed milk + turkey + can of tuna

1pm apple

2pm steak with 2 potatoes and veg.

5pm 2 turkey slices and some capers + cup of skimmed milk

day 2
did 30min cardio and my breakfast consisted of:

1 Special k cereal serving , 1 cup skimmmed milk, 3 eggs (2 whites), and 2 small chicken breast left overs from yesterday. as for drinking I drank 2 litres of water.

11am- fat free yogurt + 2 pears

2pm- veg salad with can of tuna

5pm- (preworkout)- large cup skimmed milk, 3 egg whites , 5 black olives.

6-workout (abs and legs)

handful of almonds

7.30pm- (post workout)- big bowl of veg salad + 2 portions cubrol + 3 small fat free cheese

8pm chicken and a lot of vegeteble salad + 2 slices fat free cheese and 8 almonds


day 3 (rest day)
breakfast: oatmeal,orange and 3 eggs (2 whites)
11am- veg salad with pieces of meat+ apple
1pm- yogurt + pear

3pm- pork + veg salad + orange
5pm- 8 walnuts+ 2 cups of milk
8pm- 2 portions chicken breast + 2 slices fat free cheese.

As you can see im keeping carbs all before 12pm. Fats late at night.

All this info can give you a great idea I think. Now what I’d like you to do (for some days maybe?) is help me regulate and put everything into position since my goal is pretty much like your body.
I would like you to tell me your diet which you used to get ripped/to cut for the abs to show. If mine is good, and you just need to give me some tips feel free to do so.
Secondly, most important I would like you to tell me what your workouts (weights,hiit,cardio) consisted of. I am very mixed up about what’s the best for someone cutting and about the reps he needs to make to actually cut. Full body workouts or split workouts for someone who is cutting?C Can you give me a schedule of your workouts please? (sets,reps)
Man, this may seem annoying to you but you don’t know of what value your help would be, because I get totally confused with the different point of views of people. Thanks a lot man. Please make my day, and goals come true! Thanks a lot.

Snorkles:

I am one of many forum members that could assist you.

In addition there are alot of forum members that have met their goals on the forum.

I suggest you take this information that you carefully posted and put this in a journal in the correct portion of the forum.

I will follow you there and assist you.

I then will take the time to answer your questions in your post more directly.

Though I try to answer post requests, I must have missed yours. I apologize for this.

Best wishes to you my friend,






Chillen
 
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Just posting to acknowledge your post.

I will be posting to your log shortly.

Im off to train......

Its 8PM my time......


ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Best wishes to you my freind




Chillen
 
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