Some new Tri pics, Chillen

[Wrangell]

I totaly agree with you there, I always eat when my daughter eats and I eat what she eats. I think it's vital that they see you eating healthy meals as kids copy so much from their parents.

Good to hear. Looks like we're on the same page.

My kids are older at 12, 15, 17, & 18 - and when we do share meals ( instead of running to various events ) we all dine from the same menu at home. As I said, you need to ' walk the talk ' as parents IMO - as role models. So we always felt that the foods we want our kids to enjoy as part of healthy lifestyle are the same foods the kids should see their parents consume daily So, when we get a chance to eat together, we all eat healthy, and we all eat from the same menu. I should add that as often as we can ( translated - ' rarely ' ) , we co-opt the 15, 17, & 18 year olds to help buy groceries and prep ( and sometimes cook ) dinner - another chance to learn about healthy eating ( and when they cook - to learn about the wonders of Pepto Bismol ! ) .

I think to have 5 members of my family eat the healthy foods that were prepared for dinner, only to have one parent, eat something entirely different is just plain stupid - but every family is different I guess, but that's just us. I think to shun the dinner that was prepared sends the wrong message to the kids IMO - especially when the kids are younger. If we, as their Mom and Dad, were prepping for some athletic event or had to modify our diet to pre-fuel or hit some weight target before competing - then perhaps I could see it. But if Dad is just a typical middle age gym rat,( as I am ) I can see no excuse for not eating the same healthy foods as your kids.

Lol, My daughter is 3 and a couple of nights ago she said she was hungry so I put some mixed seeds in a bowl for her. She held one up to me and said "Daddy, you plant these, not eat them"

She's also told me that Tomatoes make her sick and cake stops her tummy from hurting.

When they say " kids say the darndest things " - they weren't kidding.

There is no rythme or reason to anything sometimes - my kids will eat tomatoes any time anywhere - UNLESS they are stewed tomatoes - they won't touch stewed tomatoes.

Funny thing ....the only time they even see stewed tomatoes when Dad prepares his world famous pasta sauce. Go figure.

 

[Chillen]

Thank you.

The forum is suppose to give inspiration in a variety, and in a different forumulation of ways. I sincerely hope you keep trucking right along, and meet and exceed your goals. Rock forward , Bro.

 

[Wrangell]

I CAN BET MY LIFE THAT YOUR KIDS ARE 18 AND 21 AND HAVE HAD A SIP OF ALOCHOL NO OFFENSE....YOU DONT THINK THEY TRIED IT IN COLLEGE

Some food for thought ( from the U.S. Surgeon General ).......

"The perception that alcohol use is socially acceptable correlates with the fact that more than 80 percent of American youth consume alcohol before their 21st birthday "​

 

[Chillen]

To be honest, I flat dont care......if another disagrees. The---results obtained from our various philosophies, speak POSITIVE volumes by theirself (LOL) (and I already mentioned some of them). And this isnt a topic that is open to anothers misinterpretation or interpretational errors, of which sometimes gets coupled with various mental cognitive diseases. Stats related to this subject matter, mean nothing to me.

It truely doesnt matter the contrary response to this subject, or the subject of whether another believes my sons never drank alcohol. This is in fact true, and any disbelief doesnt change the truth. Even parents with the BEST intentions, dont achieve this. While the means are important, the end result or the on-going result (s) are just as important. Its unwise to misinterpret one mean, and inapplicably misinterpret the result with that same mean. Rock on!

 

[Wrangell]

To be honest, I flat dont care......if another disagrees. The---results obtained from our various philosophies, speak POSITIVE volumes by theirself (LOL) (and I already mentioned some of them). And this isnt a topic that is open to anothers misinterpretation or interpretational errors, of which sometimes gets coupled with various mental cognitive diseases. Stats related to this subject matter, mean nothing to me.

It truely doesnt matter the contrary response to this subject, or the subject of whether another believes my sons never drank alcohol. This is in fact true, and any disbelief doesnt change the truth. Even parents with the BEST intentions, dont achieve this. While the means are important, the end result or the on-going result (s) are just as important. Its unwise to misinterpret one mean, and inapplicably misinterpret the result with that same mean. Rock on!

This will be the last post of this subject matter. There will be no other


Best wishes

Chillen

" This will be the last post of this subject matter. There will be no other " - spoken like a true parent !

But, I think you're over-reacting a bit.

The stats simply suggests that 80% of kids have had some alcohol BEFORE they turn 21. No one is saying categorically that your kid has or hasn't had some alcohol by the time he turned 21....but rest assured, a vast majority of his classmates HAVE.

With you as a father of 2 teens yourself , and as a father of 4 teens myself ( and even recalling our own teen years ) I think even you know that teens test limits, teens experiment, teens are influenced by peers, teens misbehave behind their parents back etc. etc. - it's normal - it's what teens do. In fact, I expect my teens to do it.

In my case, I have 4 super kids - but I certainly don't have 4 ' perfect ' kids.

Have my 2 eldest they tried booze ? Have they 2 eldest tried pot ? Have the 2 eldest tried cigarettes ? Have they 2 eldest been sexually active ? When asked - they say NO.

Does that mean that they are telling the absolute truth ? Well, I'll answer that by simply saying - I doubt it - I was a teen once too.

 

[Chillen]

My kids are 18 and 21.

These two were as different as the color of an apple and an orange.

Quentin (18), was quiet when he was born.
Dustin (21), ever since he got swatted on the rear he never shut up

My philosphy has been from the begining of being a father, at-least as base, is to prepar my kids for living life. The circumference of this belief, takes on many different personal opinions and applications.

Dustin=strong will, opinionated, and sometimes head strong, and opens mouth and removes all doubt on how he feels (uh, dad sometimes)
Quentin=soft spoken, quiet, but has a huge temper when pissed (Uh, his momma)

Quentin just isnt a problem. He works full-time. He just graduated HS this year. He is workin during the summer and be a freshman at KU in this Fall. He works and comes home, eats out with friends but he is home before 12A......and this isnt a rule, its just what he does. (we dont have to be strinct, because its not necessary, its just IN HIM) (and yes he still lives with us)---he was the easier one to raise.

Dustin, is 3rd year student KU, and works at Sprint Communications as a supervsior.........He was the tough one to raise. But they share some common values, just personalities are different.

 

[Wrangell]

My kids are 18 and 21.

These two were as different as the color of an apple and an orange.

Quentin (18), was quiet when he was born.
Dustin (21), ever since he got swatted on the rear he never shut up

My philosphy has been from the begining of being a father, at-least as base, is to prepar my kids for living life. The circumference of this belief, takes on many different personal opinions and applications.

Dustin=strong will, opinionated, and sometimes head strong, and opens mouth and removes all doubt on how he feels (uh, dad sometimes)
Quentin=soft spoken, quiet, but has a huge temper when pissed (Uh, his momma)

Quentin just isnt a problem. He works full-time. He just graduated HS this year. He is workin during the summer and be a freshman at KU in this Fall. He works and comes home, eats out with friends but he is home before 12A......and this isnt a rule, its just what he does. (we dont have to be strinct, because its not necessary, its just IN HIM) (and yes he still lives with us)---he was the easier one to raise.

Dustin, is 3rd year student KU, and works at Sprint Communications as a supervsior.........He was the tough one to raise. But they share some common values, just personalities are different.

The point of my stat was simply to try and to highlight the distinct possibility - some would say ' likelihood ' - of kids consuming alcohol before they hit 21.......................Quentin & Dustin included.

 

[Chillen]

The point of my stat was simply to try and to highlight the distinct possibility - some would say ' likelihood ' - of kids consuming alcohol before they hit 21.......................Quentin & Dustin included.

This likely hood is wrong. (pertaining to my kids)

I am akin to these facts and assumptive beliefs. In order to understand my belief, one has to let go of the aforementioned and just accept there are acceptions. My boys and I are CLOSE and in addition to that, I am not stupid and most importantly, not niave. They flat dont drink alcohol, and never had prior to their curent ages.

In the general sense of the population, this is true. Not applicable to my family is what I am referring to.

 

[Proteinboy]

i was tricked into drinking a sip of vadka once and when my parents asked me if i ever tried alchohal i said no
why didnt i just tell the truth? >_< i just didnt want to talk about it
its true. teens lie to their parents...even when i didnt really even mean to

but i dont want to ever drink during high school or college.

but why is it so unbelieveable that chillen's kids didnt drink before? i believe it...i never wanted to drink before i was tricked into try it and i still dont...and i've been offered alchohal before(yes i know im underaged)

 

[Wrangell]

If reference to my personal diet and training, I do what fits me.

Don't we all.

Actually, that was my point .

You eat different foods than your wife and 2 kids when you all eat together and you track every gram and calorie you eat everyday on an Excel spreadsheet in the process of meeting your health & fitness ( i.e bf % ) goals. You need to do that because that's what works for you.

Fair enough.

In contrast, I meet similar health & fitness ( i.e bf % ) goals without having to do any of that stuff you do. As I said, I did exactly what you're doing today - i.e track every gram and calorie etc. etc. - about 20+ years ago when I wasn't entirely sure what I was doing. But this stuff is pretty simple to figure out, so when it became second nature after a year or so - I stopped all the micro analysis / managing with no adverse consequences.

I have VERY strong mind. I have the cognative ability to allow in what I want, and put out what I dont want. I have been married 24 years (dated 4 years earlier than that),

I'm not exactly sure how this is relevant to the topic we were discussing .......but O.K.....good for you.

My kids are 18 and 21, we share and love one another. Both my kids are clean, and NEVER had a sip of an alcoholic beverage to this present day. I am as close to my kids as my heart beats in my chest. And, when it isnt broke, no fixing is needed.

Apart from the ages of your kids, I'm also not sure how this is relevant .......but again....good for you.

My kids would not have their dad any other way: as if he belongs in the "One that flew over the cookoo-nest", who is the real deal and feels, is honest and sincere, lends a helping---hand when---necessary, and an ear, takes walks, and walks the talk with them, and lets them SINK a little, when its necessary, and so on. And, EVERYONE..............RUNS FOR COLORADO.........when mom gets pissed....................eeek!

O.K....if you say so. How this relates to my earlier post is beyond me though.

Dad has been very close in mind and spirit the entire ride to their present ages. This speaks for itself.

Good.

btw - My long term target bf% is 13% +/-.

Is there a bf% you want to keep close to for the next 10++++ years ?

Is it 8 % ?

 

[Wrangell]

i was tricked into drinking a sip of vadka once and when my parents asked me if i ever tried alchohal i said no
why didnt i just tell the truth? >_< i just didnt want to talk about it
its true. teens lie to their parents...even when i didnt really even mean to

Exactly...teens DO lie or - more often than not - simply ' say nothing ' about ALL they've been up to when they're out of the house with friends.

but i dont want to ever drink during high school or college.

How old ARE you anyway ?

but why is it so unbelieveable that chillen's kids didnt drink before?

It isn't. There is a definite ' possibility ' chillen's kids didnt drink before.

Stats simply suggest there is a high probability that they did........and that goes for my 4 kids too...whether we as parents want to believe it or not.

Then again, why is it so unbelieveable that chillen's kids DID drink before?

i believe it...i never wanted to drink before i was tricked into try it and i still dont...and i've been offered alchohal before (yes i know im underaged)

Who tricked you ?

And who offers an underage kid booze anyway ?

 

[Chillen]

Truely, wrangell, there is no-----blendification----in your unication---of your responses. Sometimes, with all due respect to you, I believe you just dont believe how I act since I am 46, and I will not fault you for this error in belief.

All responses were applicable, and in another sense, I was trying to be sociable ----and somewhat ----expansive in response (and you just dont get it)---especially with the last post about my sons I posted. But, this is okay. It seems we sort of hear nails on the chalk board when we post to each other.

This okay. I cut this off when I think its necessary, due to your applicable history. (where you tend to over analyze and grey the matter that is obvious).

Wrangel you over analyze tends to canablize.........Your not really getting the social content of the posts.

This over break down---breaks down the entire----simplicity of the conversation. (bye the way, let me add: My 18 year old is a virgin--some may doubt---but its true.....Dont underestimate, by closeness with my kids and there honesty with me.....this is where you error....and this includes drugs, and cigs (dont do it, and have not experimented). And, my 21 year old WAS a virgin until 19. My family in alot of ways have exception to the rule, wrangell.

Chillen

 

[Chillen]

PB is 16.

a friend offered it to him.....be nice.

 

[Wrangell]

This likely hood is wrong. (pertaining to my kids)

Perhaps...perhaps not.

Being a parent if full of surprises.

I am akin to these facts and assumptive beliefs. In order to understand my belief, one has to let go of the aforementioned and just accept there are acceptions..

Huh ?

My boys and I are CLOSE and in addition to that, I am not stupid and most importantly, not niave.

Ditto with my kids.

What is your point ?

They flat dont drink alcohol.

In the general sense of the population, this is true.

Not applicable to my family is what I am referring to.

The simple fact is this.

The POSSIBILITY exists that both your sons - at one time or another - have experimented / explored to some degree with pot, booze, cigarettes, porn, and or sex.

So with all due respect, and speaking as a parent of 4 teens myself , to deny such a POSSIBILITY even may exist is extremely naive and simply living in denial IMO.

 

[Wrangell]

Truely, wrangell, there is no-----blendification----in your unication---of your responses.

Huh ?

Sometimes, with all due respect to you, I believe you just dont believe how I act since I am 46, and I will not fault you for this error in belief.

Actually, that is not accurate at all. I see people who " act like you " at 46 more often than you'd think.

I'm simply pointing out you're doing at 46 what I did in my 20's - nothing more.

All responses were applicable, and in another sense, I was trying to be sociable ----and somewhat ----expansive in response (and you just dont get it)---especially with the last post about my sons I posted.

There was no need to detail your family tree in any way - it's irrelevant to the topic IMO - that's all. Just as details about my 4 kids are irrelevant.

I was simply curious about learning more about some of your diet and training philosophies - nothing more.

But, this is okay. It seems we sort of hear nails on the chalk board when we post to each other

Really ? I don't.

This okay. I cut this off when I think its necessary, due to your applicable history. (where you tend to over analyze and grey the matter that is obvious).

Too funny !

I " tend to over analyze " ????? - Chillen, please.......you track all your food on Excel and eat different food than your family does

Such is the case. This will end no where positive. Rock on! Wish you and your family the best, as always. No more posts, on this subject. I wish you well

Chillen

O.K.

 

[philsaigon]

To Danny and Wrangel:

Jeeeez!! He says his kids have never drunk alcohol. He knows his kids -you don't. He knows the circumstances that surround their decisions - you don't. Will you stop trying to wind him up about this?! I have a friend who also has never drunk alcohol. Don't believe me either? Well, his father was a raging alcoholic and his brother was killed in a drunk driving accident. Can you see where drinking might not appeal to him?

 

[Chillen]

Phil:

Agreed. I Just think the---bottom line--is there are exeptions, without getting to stats, and over analyzing things too much. I respect wrangell's dietary and training knowledge. We converse in different ways, and its possible these two dont mix well. This happens.

I wasnt upset with him, lol. I am quite content with the knowing the truth, and he can spat "probability" "possibility" "More than likely" "anything is possible" all day long, it doesnt change this truth.

I have a special bond with my kids, and Im not a fool to think that teenagers dont lie (lol), but mine are cool with me (because I set this pattern young in the open).

I was trying to make conversation and I guess the other information wasnt wanted. But, this is okay too. This will not get anywhere with a positive result, so Im just ending it.

One can nit pick on words all day, theres no special skill or good value-- when applied wrong, and this applicable here in my opinion with the one I am referring to.

 

[Wrangell]

To Danny and Wrangel:

Jeeeez!! He says his kids have never drunk alcohol. He knows his kids -you don't.

I never claimed to know his kids. I simply supplied a stat that suggests 80% of kids have had booze before 21.

The ' possibility ' still exists that ANY kids under 21 have experimented with booze - regardless if the parents may think otherwise. The probability is another matter - open to debate as to whether someone's kids falls into the 20% category or not.

Chillen is of the view his kids " have never drunk alcohol ". Fair enough.
He's entitled to that view.

I'm of the view that a parent should ' never say never ' - and no parent can say with 100% certainty what their kids does or does not do while away from home. This is where he and I differ in our views. I've known too many parents who have told me their kids have never tried smoking ( when I've seen them do it ), never tried booze ( only to have them caught ) never tried pot ( only to find a joint stashed somewhere ) etc. etc. If I've heard this " my kids have never done ' x' " - when they have - I've heard it a dozen times or more.

He knows the circumstances that surround their decisions - you don't.

As a parent, when your teen goes to a house party, goes to the mall, goes to the drive-in / movie, goes downtown, goes to a game, goes to a concert, goes to a pool party, goes on a school trip, goes to the beach - with friends or to meet frieinds - etc.etc. you have no idea with 100% certainty what your kids will do as circumstances present themselves - that's all I'm saying.

Will you stop trying to wind him up about this?!

Hardly.

He has 2 teens. I'm simply giving him my perspective as a parent of 4 teens.

There is no need for anyone to get ' wound up ' at all. If he is getting ' wound up ' it is his issue - not mine.

I have a friend who also has never drunk alcohol.
Don't believe me either?

I'm sure you believe him just as Chillen believes his kids. I sure you have no reason to believe your belief doesn't represent a fact of truth any more than Chillen does. I believe you are both truthful in what your are saying is your belief.

All I'm saying is simply because a parent tells me his kid doesn't - better yet ' never ' - smokes for example, doesn't mean their kids never did it. Never means no possibility - and anything is possible IMO.

I've seen too many parents who have kids that " never done ' x' " been proven wrong time and time again.

Well, his father was a raging alcoholic and his brother was killed in a drunk driving accident. Can you see where drinking might not appeal to him?

Absolutely.

 

[Chillen]

I am not one of those parents in the statistics of probability.....and one just dont get this. "Probablity" ---I think I was awake in Statistics class, and other classes (where this is used) and when I earned my master degree from KU. And, I lost no common social sense. The probability and possibiity he is referring to are just "basic" applications and stats (nothing new in other words), and in general this may be true when applied to parents, but its NOT applicable to my family.

Yes, Phil I can understand one not being attracted to alcohol and abstaining from it for the reason you stated. I meant to say this.


Best wishes

Phil


Chillen

 

[Miera]

Nothing i can say man `.`.`.`.`.`Great Work`.`.`.`.`.