Not quite a beginner? Routine help?

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Hi,

I'm going to be doing a long clean "bulk" in a few days. I'm trying to gain the most amount of muscle possible with very little fat. But I'm stumped with something.
I started training when I was 12 doing pushups, situps, dumbell curls, etc. like most people did when they were younger hoping to get buff. The routine was obviously crap but I actually seen some gains because of it, whether or not is was noob gains or the fact that I was just growing because of puberty, I don't know.
I'm 14 now, 5'5 and 125 pounds. I've been doing a decent routine since around october/november, but my diet hasn't been in check so I didn't see the gains I should have (gained a little here, lost a little there. Overall I'd say I gained about 3-5 pounds of muscle)
Here was my routine:
Hack Squats 3 x 12
Deadlifts 3 x 12
Rows 3x12
Pullups 3 x max
Dumbbell Shoulder Press 3 x 12
Dips 2 x 12
Dumbbell Press 2 x 12

Would I still be classified as a beginner? I know I am still small, but since I was doing that fullbody routine 3x a week for 4/5 months if I start my new clean bulk with that routine would I still be making the most possible gains I could? Or should I switch to some push/pull split, or just split routines in general?
I'm actually hoping I can do split routines now, as it might be more convenient time wise for me (but if fullbody's are necessary for the most amount of muscle gain with the least amount of fat, then I want to be doing those).

I also know that diet plays one of the most important parts in all this, and I have done a lot of reasearch on nutrition + diets, and I have come up with a good plan. I'll post it later in the Nutrition section just to be sure of course.
 
full body probobly is the way to go since you want to gain mass allover and ure not a pro BBer. an upper lower or push/pull split is a good alternative though.

about the routine, better than many ive seen and im glad to see you got the point of compound movements :)
but you only got one horizontal pull and 2 horizontal push (if you count dips as a horizontal push?)
If i were you id set up 3 days with different exersices and different reps working the entire body.

If you have been lifting for 4-5 months id say you are still a beginner, not a newbie though, since you got some experience.

are you a member of a gym? why hack squats and no "real" squats?
 
Karky said:
full body probobly is the way to go since you want to gain mass allover and ure not a pro BBer. an upper lower or push/pull split is a good alternative though.

about the routine, better than many ive seen and im glad to see you got the point of compound movements :)
but you only got one horizontal pull and 2 horizontal push (if you count dips as a horizontal push?)
If i were you id set up 3 days with different exersices and different reps working the entire body.

If you have been lifting for 4-5 months id say you are still a beginner, not a newbie though, since you got some experience.

are you a member of a gym? why hack squats and no "real" squats?
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yes I'm now a member of a gym and can incorporate real squats into my routine, I wasn't before so I had to resort to hack squats.

I've set up a new routine, please critique.



Day 1: Full Body - Monday
Day 2: Cardio - Tuesday
Day 3: Full Body - Wednesday
Day 4: Yoga - Thursday
Day 5: Full Body - Friday
Day 6: Cardio - Saturday
Day 7: Break - Sunday
(alternate on fullbody days with Workout A & B, and every 2 weeks rep scheme will alternate from 3x12 to 4x6)

Workout A
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Squats 3 x 12
Deadlifts 3 x 12
Rows 3 x 12
Pullups 3 x max
Dumbbell Shoulder Press 3 x 12
Dumbbell Press 3 x 12
Bicep Curls 3 x 12
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Workout B
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Front Squat 3 x 12
Straight Leg Deadlift 3 x 12
Dumbbell Rows 3 x 12
Pullups 3 x max
Military Press 3 x 12
Incline Dumbbell Press 3 x 12
Dumbbell Kickback 3 x 12
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you can throw out the isolation exercises. you really dont need them whatsoever. if you want big biceps and triceps, pullups, chinups, rows, bench, military press and dips are all you need. otherwise, it looks pretty good, bud. : ) just make sure your eatin enough with all that cardio and yoga if your bulking
 
yeah, looks pretty good, id try it and see how it goes. Doing high volume of squats and deadlifts on the same day can be tiering for alot of people, but it could be that you can handle it.
benching and overhead pressing, aswell as vertical and horizontal pulling on the same day can be tiering for the shoulders and upper back, but again, it could be that you can handle it.
 
Karky said:
yeah, looks pretty good, id try it and see how it goes. Doing high volume of squats and deadlifts on the same day can be tiering for alot of people, but it could be that you can handle it.
benching and overhead pressing, aswell as vertical and horizontal pulling on the same day can be tiering for the shoulders and upper back, but again, it could be that you can handle it.
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Yeah I think I can handle it, my old routine was somewhat the same so I'm pretty used to that much in one day now.
Any suggestions on what to add/get rid of to make best gains from it, or does it look pretty sound?

@ Proteinboy - guess it's kinda a personal preference, I didn't really see much gains in my arms when I was doing my previous fullbody compared to my brother who seen much gains in his arms on a split routine.
Just thought I'd throw them in at the end of the workout to make me feel better, even if it doesn't work and it's just phycological. I won't do them if I'm too tired though.
 
its a solid routine my man. the biggest thing i would worry about is having to do squats and deadlifts on the same day. like karky said. its a double wammy that may be better to split the two exercises and do each in a seperate workout due to their power to leave you drained of energy. if you do squats in A workout, do deadlifts in B workout. just make sure you do A workout and B workout the same amount of times.
 
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