Anyone experience Systema?

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There is a reason why Russian Martial Art is called THE SYSTEM (the Russian word is Systema). It is a complete set of concepts and training components that enhance one’s life. In this case, acquiring the martial art skill is a way to improve the function of all seven physiological systems of the body and all three levels of human abilities the physical, the psychological and the spiritual.

The key principle of the Russian System is non-destruction. The goal is to make sure that your training and your attitudes do no damage to the body or the psyche of you or your partners. The System is designed to create, build and strengthen your body, your psyche, your family and your country.

Anyone know a good instructor in New Jersey?
 
Anyone know a good instructor in New Jersey?
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Have you have trained in it?
 
Seriously - what you have described is no different to any other discipline. It’s just how it’s written and interpreted.
 
dubya said:
The goal is to make sure that your training and your attitudes do no damage to the body or the psyche of you or your partners. The System is designed to create, build and strengthen your body, your psyche, your family and your country.

Anyone know a good instructor in New Jersey?
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Someone has you snowballed...


thats the concept and goal of 90 percent of the martial arts styles out there. Shotokan is meant to obliterate your opponent, and I have yet to injure any of my training partners...
 
systema is used by speztnas units, i think they developed it.... i have a video of systema training (basic) i could send to u if u want its by vladimir vassiliev or something hes i wouldnt wanna fight him
 
manofkent said:
Seriously - what you have described is no different to any other discipline. It’s just how it’s written and interpreted.
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Have you ever seen carnivores or omnivores of any species of mammals playing? They wrestle. Other than birth, sexuality, or the warm embrace of parental figure and child, there is no activity which provides more comprehensive information through the touch receptors of the nervous system. Also, there is no activity which activates and uses the muscles in such a complete way. In wrestling, animals rehearse hunting, inter-personal conflict, and the rules of dominance and submission within the social order of the species.

The same is true for use in humans. I have strong reservations about teaching how to kick and punch. From an Eastern body theory, they tend to bring the center up into the chest - creating "attitude."

In my opinion, all grappling systems with rules are equally useful - it doesn't matter if it is the "strongest" system. Everything from sambo to judo to BJJ to innumerable ethnic styles to sumo - and do not forget freestyle and Greco-Roman.

Am I thus criticizing other arts here? No, I absolutely am not. I think people will advance far quicker with a background in grappling, than those without that background. The abstract and subtle principals make far more sense when you know what balance is, and when you've taken falls that you had no intention of doing.

Finally, this applies double to woman. The essence of an attack on a woman is a grab and pin, and many women, skilled in punch/kick fighting, for example, are helpless against the superior strength of a man at close quarters.
 
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aevans410 said:
Someone has you snowballed...


thats the concept and goal of 90 percent of the martial arts styles out there. Shotokan is meant to obliterate your opponent, and I have yet to injure any of my training partners...
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Well, perhaps there is merit in "arguing" based upon the written "assumptions" of others, calling that reference material evidence, or upon our own personal experiences. I do believe that both have particular value, depending on what end-result you are trying to provide a proof for.
 
dubya said:
From an Eastern body theory, they tend to bring the center up into the chest - creating "attitude."
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Sorry mate, but I think your just googling and have not really experienced much MA. Any martial artist would get knocked flat on their back if they
"bring the center up into the chest".


I have never heard of anyone trying to do this as it is the complete oposite of what all eastern martial arts teach. In the martial arts grounding is one of the key factors in speed and power so you must keep your center (tao, chi, soul, breath, energy) as low in the body as possible.

dubya said:
Aikido games are great - I've seen some lovely classes - but they often do not teach the basics of body-to-body power, me over you, you over me, that grappling does.
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Aikido is one of the great grappling arts. Body-to-body power is not a way to train.
Even more aggressive grappling styles like BJJ teach you to be submisive and sensitive, and use your enemys speed power and direction to control them.
 
dubya said:
Well, perhaps there is merit in "arguing" based upon the written "assumptions" of others.
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Aevans (Allen) is a brown belt in Shotokan and I am a black belt in Wado as well as having studied martial arts from all over the world for over 13years.
We do know what we are talking about and it really does seem like you have not really trained in any martial arts (sorry you had two classes).
 
Shotokan is a japanese martial art based off of the okinawan martail art simply named "te" or "hand". The precursor to Shotokan is "Shuri Te" which was practiced in the capital city of Shuri, Okinawa. Two gentlemen were very prominent in Shuri Te, named Sokon Matsumura, and Yasutsune Itosu. These two masters took Shuri Te and boiled it down to a very devastating martial art which was designed to cripple and maim an opponent in 3 seconds or less.

Itosu was the teacher of Master Gichin Funakoshi, who in 1922 took his art from Okinawa to Japan. The Japanese people despised anything that could have came from China (during the time when Te developed, Okinawan was publically governed by China, although it was held by a Japanese Shogunate). Funakoshi renamed the art Karate (empty hand) when he presented it to the Emperor of Japan. Japan adpoted the art that he created, which was Shotokan. I could go into how the system got it's name, but thats unimportant.

Shotokan is an art designed for destruction. Long, low powerful stances, Body shifting and hip rotation to generate distance, angle and power, Limb destruction, and one hit kills (not FIRST hit kills) are signature of the art of Shotokan.

you still think I'm assuming?
 
manofkent said:
Sorry mate, but I think your just googling and have not really experienced much MA. Any martial artist would get knocked flat on their back if they
"bring the center up into the chest".


I have never heard of anyone trying to do this as it is the complete oposite of what all eastern martial arts teach. In the martial arts grounding is one of the key factors in speed and power so you must keep your center (tao, chi, soul, breath, energy) as low in the body as possible.



Aikido is one of the great grappling arts. Body-to-body power is not a way to train.
Even more aggressive grappling styles like BJJ teach you to be submisive and sensitive, and use your enemys speed power and direction to control them.
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I get my center as low as possible, if we don't root, we have no power.
 
manofkent said:
Sorry mate, but I think your just googling and have not really experienced much MA. Any martial artist would get knocked flat on their back if they
"bring the center up into the chest".


I have never heard of anyone trying to do this as it is the complete oposite of what all eastern martial arts teach. In the martial arts grounding is one of the key factors in speed and power so you must keep your center (tao, chi, soul, breath, energy) as low in the body as possible.



Aikido is one of the great grappling arts. Body-to-body power is not a way to train.
Even more aggressive grappling styles like BJJ teach you to be submisive and sensitive, and use your enemys speed power and direction to control them.
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You missed my point when I said 'bring center to the chest.' All power comes from the center, the hara -about 3 inches below the belly button. If you look at the anatomy of a human being you'll see muscle fiber leading to that point.

Kicking and punching, I believe, leads to attitude...chest out....that was my point.
 
Actually power in kicks and punches comes from our hips and stance, not our hara... the only thing comes out of the hara is a kiai...
 
manofkent said:
Aevans (Allen) is a brown belt in Shotokan and I am a black belt in Wado as well as having studied martial arts from all over the world for over 13years.
We do know what we are talking about and it really does seem like you have not really trained in any martial arts (sorry you had two classes).
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...and there are many teachers and senseis that have studied over 20, 30 years and still haven't gotten "it."
 
aevans410 said:
Actually power in kicks and punches comes from our hips and stance, not our hara... the only thing comes out of the hara is a kiai...
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Yes, power - punches and kicks, does come from the hips, but there is more to the center/hara than just kiai.
 
...and there are many teachers and senseis that have studied over 20, 30 years and still haven't gotten "it."
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That's true, but it's a false analogy. Who's saying they are masters? Are you saying you're a master? Don't fall for false rhetoric.
 
let me qualify my statement...

in SHOTOKAN thats where power lies. There are some theories (and I use that term for lack of better, because it is the truth) that power can be derived in moving one hara towards the target.
 
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