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Que dices, ignorante.
Busca en el foro ese en el que el Madcow postea las rutinas.
Te suelta una charla tremenda de como los trapecios están hechos para el trabajo explosivo y te pone este ejercicio por las nubes.
A mí me gusta mucho más que los encogimientos normales.

Buen entrenamiento tetil, Matxakín.
En el gimnasio fliparían con el 15x1.
¿No se acercó ninguno a mirar si te habías encasquillado?


Buscaré en el foro, porque me interesa.
Personalmente la primera vez que hice encogimientos los hice explosivos, con gemelo incluído, pero me pasé a los normales.

No, no se me acercó ninguno, pero me preguntaron si entrenaba para super pesados, a lo que respondí si se refería al power y dijeron que sí.
Pero en este gym hay gente fuerte (culturetas muy tochos)
 
tio cuanto tiempo entrenas¿? muy poco no¿? explicame que haces en press banca qe no me entero ejejje

Una hora más o menos, lo que más que ocupa es banca, 15 series de 1 repe con 2 minutos de descanso.
 
Ten, para que leas esta noche y no te hagas tantas pajillas, que dejas la cama perdida.

No te pongo el link porque es de un foro que hay que registrase. Y no merece la pena Te mandan 200 mensajes al día para venderte anabolizantes

The Power Shrug

Okay, so I've said before that regular shrugs are a piss waste of time. These are the best version out there and the best trap developer around. No one who has ever done these has ever once gone back to a regular shrug (at least I can't think of anyone and certainly no one that I've trained). Visible results in the mirror are guaranteed in 2-3 weeks. This exercise is very result producing as are all the olympic lift variations when it comes to back/trap development - the back was made for dynamic pulling. You'll need straps and you should start light and build up over a period of a few weeks. Higher rep ranges are fine (8-15) for these and I really think they lower weight for higher reps make these a good bit less taxing on the CNS than working down to 5s and 3s.

A bit on technique - first, the traditional starting position is high on the thighs with the knees flexed slightly and the torso also slightly forward with shoulders over the bar. My descriptions kind of alternate between this version and a variation done from a lower position (hang) just above the knees. Less weight can be used in the lower variation but for athletes not training the traditional olympic lifts and looking to accrue some benefits to explosion and longer range dynamic pulling similar to the clean this is a good variation for training. It's basically a heavy clean pull from the hang. So depending upon what you are looking for give these a shot.

The first quote is from JS182 at Meso - it's actually a cut/paste from an original post:
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The next 3 quotes are from a discussion at Fortified Iron regarding PSU and their use of HIT. The topic of the powershrug comes in as a way to accrue explosive benefits for athletics without a lot of time spent on technique work first (or as most HIT pundits would put it "the overly dangerous nature of the viscious exercise known as the clean" which is coincidentally statistically less dangerous than the much maligned and deadly sport of soccer).
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The bottom 2 quotes are from a discussion here that convinced me of the need to put it all in one place:
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Date: 01/23/02 03:04 PM
Author: AnimalMass
Subject: TOPIC 13: SHRUGS

shrugs/traps best exercise for big traps are power shrugs. take a barbell, hold it in front of you, SLIGHTLY bend knees and bend VERY SLIGHTLY at the hip. now violently extend the whole body and shrug. its basically a cheat shrug. try to hold for a split second at the top... you wont be able to but try. this exercise should be done with heavy weight. personally, ive used 800+ lbs for 10 reps. use as heavy a weight as you possibly can and still get a full shrug at the top. dont load up the bar all the way the first few sessions, or youll likely die. give yourself 3 or 4 sessions to work up to max weight.
Actually the former strength coach for FSU was a fan of the power shrug (heavy high pull from the hang position). I think a lot of the positive non-technique effects of the full and even power versions of the olympic lifts transfer very nicely with this movement. Plus, almost no time goes into teaching it since it is very easy from a technique standpoint (in addition, it works very well as a developer for explosion and power in the second portion of the pull).

As far as there not being any advantage to the the olympic lifts in sports - one can likely make a nice written defense to argue but anyone who has trained them for a period will strongly disagree. I'm of the opinion that the sport improvement stems from the CNS learning to generate maximal power in as short a duration as possible, sort of like torque on a car. Non-ballistic movements teach you to be strong over a period of several seconds rather than 1 second or less (2nd pull is where it's at). Sort of like a dragster vs. a road racer. The ability to generate maximal force as quickly as possible is the difference between a great lineman, running back, or puncher. Rarely is anyone called upon to exert strong force against a consistent object over a period of multiple seconds (even clashing linemen are constantly moving and adjusting) whereas the need for immediate maximal power is prevalent in just about every strength/power sport.
Yeah, elbows locked. When warming up the bar will obviously fly up with the explosion and force the elbows to flex but once sufficient weight is reached that won't be an issue. I generally prefer starting them with the bar just a bit above the knees. Some people like a higher hang but depending upon what you are going for starting from just above the knees allows you to hit just about everything in the second pull phase of the clean - nothing is in stone so one can experiment and augment according to their preferences and goals. I've also found this exercise very condusive and result producing higher rep ranges (8-15 is what I mean by this but low reps work very well too). Keep in mind anything over 5 is high reps for me so when I say something works well in the 8-15 range you can bet myself and others have had surprising results with it (higher rep range allows lighter weight which won't overload your lower back too much and potentially take away recovery from other exercises as a bonus). Obviously reps and lots of weight = straps. I don't know many who try to maintain a hookgrip for this but it is generally unsuccessful and a waste of effort and skin.

Overall effectiveness is very good for both sports, Olifting and even bodybuilding. I don't know of any exercise that can compare for upper back and trap stimulus. Even natural bodybuilders will see significant physique changes in about 4 weeks if they've never done this exercise. For sports, it is in my opinion the easiest as well as being one of the most effective ways to develop explosive power. For OLifting it helps dramatically strengthen the second pull and particularly helps full extension.

<Just another huge wordy post by me but to be honest the powershrug is a fantastic exercise and well worth it>.
As far as starting position, the closer you get to the floor the more like a high pull (or high-shrug) you get and the more taxing it is on recovery. Depending upon your own natural strength curve you may find that you can use much more weight in this exercise than in a clean or standard high pull (JohnSmith182 on Meso has apparently gone well over 700lbs. and may have done 800 - BTW search his posts there sometime, he is very sharp and also posts under just Johnsmith). The issue with increasing the range of motion beyond the top of the knees is that the movement becomes unbelievably taxing and not only hits your recovery but can make serious inroads into overloading your lower back and hams if you don't account for the drastically increased workload.
 
Hijo de la gran siete.
El trapecio q lo entrenen como se le cante el ojete. Para algunos será mas efectivo el shrug común con barra, a otros con mancuernas y para otros el de saltito de ballet del pureta.

15x1..... con 2 mins de descanso?!?!?!? Es en serio!?!?!
 
menos mal!!! un diario donde alguien entrena a muerte y sacrificio jajajaaj porque hay otros que vaaamos
 
Hijo de la gran siete.
El trapecio q lo entrenen como se le cante el ojete. Para algunos será mas efectivo el shrug común con barra, a otros con mancuernas y para otros el de saltito de ballet del pureta.

Una vez más, ruge Godzilla.
Anda, prueba a hacer los encogimientos así un día y ya verás que curioso es.
 
Hijo de la gran siete.
El trapecio q lo entrenen como se le cante el ojete. Para algunos será mas efectivo el shrug común con barra, a otros con mancuernas y para otros el de saltito de ballet del pureta.

15x1..... con 2 mins de descanso?!?!?!? Es en serio!?!?!

Una vez más, ruge Godzilla.
Anda, prueba a hacer los encogimientos así un día y ya verás que curioso es.
+1

que tipo de encogimientos para trapecio haces tu pureta

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unos haen 15 series de PM tú de banca, me voy a pasar yo también a la niña bonita por la piedra que está muy solicitada.
Muy duro esa sesión de preses, sin desmerecer las dominadas
 
3º Día de la 4º Semana: Sentadilla!!!

Power clean:

5x3 (40-45-50-55-60)

Sentadilla profunda:
3x5-155

Sentadilla frontal profunda:
4x5 (70-112,5-112,5-112,5)

PMPR:
3x8-120

Gemelos de pie:

5x12-15 con todas las placas (120)

Dominadas supinas (a lo largo de la sesión):
10 series x 5 repes

Hoy ha sido uno de los entrenos más duro, creo que llevo encima el virus estomacal que hay ahora y me daba la pájara después de cada serie. La frontal me ha matado.
 
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lo que no entiende de esos encogimientos, porque el tio se pone de puntillas....

Porque el ejercicio es así.

unos haen 15 series de PM tú de banca, me voy a pasar yo también a la niña bonita por la piedra que está muy solicitada.
Muy duro esa sesión de preses, sin desmerecer las dominadas

Gracias mono.

oie matxaca me das miedo x__X cuanto es tu 1rm en peso muerto????

gracias de antemano o__o

lo máximo que he levantado han sido 190.

Y entonces, Huertas? Estás de vagueo indefinido?

Saludos tío

Noooo, ayer estaba enfermo y hoy también, pero he ido.
 
Que dices, ignorante.
Busca en el foro ese en el que el Madcow postea las rutinas.
Te suelta una charla tremenda de como los trapecios están hechos para el trabajo explosivo y te pone este ejercicio por las nubes.
A mí me gusta mucho más que los encogimientos normales.

Buen entrenamiento tetil, Matxakín.
En el gimnasio fliparían con el 15x1.
¿No se acercó ninguno a mirar si te habías encasquillado?

El trapecio esta lleno de fibras rojas. Se trabaja a altas repes.
El piso es 15 reps.
Y necesita 6 o 9 series a la semana. La diferencia entre un buen press de banca y uno malo, te lo pueden hacer los trapecios.
Encogimientos con barra, mancuerna, mulitpower (trasero), Yates, en banco 45º.
Señores, TRABAJEN EL TRAPECIO.
 
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