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Hi all,

I just started a new routine and wanted to know what you guys think.

I was doing an endurance routine for the last month, it was pretty tedious and boring, plus I barely made any gains as far as adding weights and reps... but I am sure it did me some good. Anyway, now I am back to heavier wieight and lower reps, 10 reps for all sets. 12 reps for legs.

Bascially without going into all details my routine is as follows:

two different workouts = Day A and Day B. doing each twice a week.
Day A: chest , biceps , legs
Day B: back, shoulders, triceps

My question is this:
I feel that doing chest and legs on same day is too much. I thought swapping the day I do chest with the triceps.

So it would be:
Day A: legs, triceps , biceps
Day B: back, chest, shoulders

What do you guys think? makes sense or should I stick with the trainers first plan?

Also I thought that I should do triceps on same day I do chest but the trainer said that as it only supports the chest exersices that I should do them on seperate days, I am not sure I agree, and would appreciate your input.

I would then have it set up as:
Day A: legs, shoulders, biceps
Day B: back, chest, triceps

Sorry for the long post but I would appreciate any opinions from you all here.

Thanks :)
 
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no replies? someone ... talk to me.... :)
 
טוב נחמד נחמד נראית תוכנית טובה מה שאתה מציע תנסה את זה לי נראה הגיוני יותר לעשות:
biceps,triceps,chest-day A
legs, back, shoulders-dayB
נראה יותר הגיוני גם מחלק את הגוף לפי איזורים
מה שכן אתה יכול לנסות:
day A: biceps, triceps,shoulders, chest
day B: legs, back
ככה אתה ממש מחלק את הגוף לפי איזורים ונותן לחלקי הגוף מספיק זמן להתחדש מבלי להפעיל לחץ על שרירים אחרים
 
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I was just looking at other websites and saw some other workouts, it seems that most workouts people do have much less sets than I am doing per workout. My trainer gave me about 3 exercises per body part, less for each part of the legs. So I am doing something like 33 sets per session - not including abs.
Is this really wrong? are the trainers at my gym crazy?
 
To add to my post above, I am also doing a warm up set for the first set of each body part, so add an extra 3-4 sets per workout...
 
Allon,

33 sets if they do not include warm-up sets is likely too much, unless of course you manage to finish this routine in an hour?

I was doing an endurance routine for the last month, it was pretty tedious and boring, plus I barely made any gains as far as adding weights and reps... but I am sure it did me some good.
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Interesting. You did a routine that was boring and tedius and you made very little gains. How are you sure it did any good? What did you want to accomplish that you did not?

Which body parts are lacking? Where are you weakest?
 
I wanted to strengthen the muscles and ligaments etc... I also think it us crazy to only blow up the muscles without working on endurance also, that was why I did that routine. To work that aspect out also...
 
I am weakest in my arms and hands. It really limits the amount I can bench or even when doing biceps exersices I am limited by the strenght in my forearms... Also I had some disk troubles in my back, i find workign out actually helps this but I have to go slow.
 
Allon said:
I am weakest in my arms and hands. It really limits the amount I can bench or even when doing biceps exersices I am limited by the strenght in my forearms...
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Hehe, I thought I was the only one =)
In most exercices, my forearms are my 'weakest link' and limit me. Something that helped for me was doing lower reps & more weight. It had been ages since I felt my biceps again the next morning ^^ Still not much though, but I could go till failure in the targeted muscle before I had to release because my grip couldn't hold anymore.
But now I quit that routine and started HST since this week... hope the grip strength won't limit me too much :/
 
I was doing HST for about 4 months up until a month ago, then did much higher reps a even lower weight for a month, now I am on low reps high weight and lots of sets... but as you can see from post above I just started that out and have some issues with it so far, that I will probably make some changes until I get the workout to suit me.

Regarding the forearms when I did the HST workout, I found that my forearms did, over time, get stronger. It is harder now with the higher weight. One thing that does work for me is adding more weight every set. start off with low weight doing about 12 reps. Then a set of 8 reps with much higher weight and then even more weight to barely squeeze out six. Not really an HST workout but it helped me with my biceps and forearms.
Off course you can do exercises to strengthen the forearm and hands, I do that now and it is also gradually helping.
 
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I've done such a pyramid system for like half a year, with the regular scheme 'day 1: chest / shoulders / triceps, day 2: back / biceps / legs' and switching day 1 & 2 training mo - we - fr... then i did a month or 2 HIT at home, so the low reps / high weight / each muscle group once a week kinda thing... and now doing the HST.
I think that not doing extra forearm excersises might be as good as doing them, because I rather think that overtraining is the cause they stay so weak, rather than not training them. Because in fact, all those excercises where I had to quit because I couldn't keep the grip anymore, I've been working the forearms 'till failure'. Working a muscle group till failure every two days, a few times per workout session, can't be good, don't you think ?
But during the HIT I also did forearm excercises and they seem to have grown just a little. Still extremely thin, nobody else would notice :p But because of the reason mentioned above, I'm now not training them anymore... they get enough excercise from doing other muscle groups that require grip strength...
 
Makes sense what you say but I still think that forearms and hands should be trained specifically both for strength and endurance in the position we are in. I have been using the hand press tool (you know the type we all had when we were kids)
It has helped a bit. I will probably start forearm curls in a month or two.
 
I am definitely thinking of changing my routinre to 'day 1: chest / shoulders / triceps, day 2: back / biceps / legs'
And also dropping a couple of the exercises on each of those days to shorten the workout, I am sure it will be enough.
Any ideas on what order I should work the muscle groups out on each day?
Also, any ideas which of the following exercises to drop will be helpfull:
chest:
flies 3x10 (on machine)
Bench 3x10
inclined 3x10
declined dumbell 3x10
tri's:
pully machine close grip 3x10
Pully machine wide grip 3x10
H bar 3x10
Bi's:
superset dumbell curls 3x10 with less wieght hammer curls 3x10
then I do the W bar 3x10

all the rest of the exercises I do I cannot afford to forfeit any so I will have to forfeit a few from above choices. I was thinking of giving up the declined dumbell press, the H bar, and the W bar...
 
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