What happens if you dont stretch?

This is too amusing...lol If stretching is bad... Answer me this...

Then why do Professional and Olympic athletes go through elaborate stretching routines before an important event?

Why do they suggest having just flexibilty workouts?

Why do we stretch in the morning before we get out of bed?

If muscle is tight, why do we stretch it?

Why is it that the NATA's general guidelines to minimizing the risks say "Players should stretch properly before and after workouts of any kind."?

Why did we learn about the different types of stretching in our athletic training class?


Stretching is GOOD! but only if its the right kind of stretching for each person and it is properly done... You're not going to stretch a sprinter the same was as a cross country runner...
 
Did you actually read my posts? I am trying to qualify a difference between passive and dynamic stretching.



>>Then why do Professional and Olympic athletes go through elaborate stretching routines before an important event?

Watch sprinters or weight lifters before their events... They are MOVING! If you read the studied, that is posted above, you will see that passive stretching REDUCES force output. That means that it would slow them down, or reduce the amount they could lift, or reduce the vertical leap of the athletes.



>>Why do they suggest having just flexibilty workouts?

Who is "they", and what are their qualifications?



>>Why do we stretch in the morning before we get out of bed?

Are you talking about hopping down on the floor and stretching out, or are you referring to the stretch you do along with yawning and scratching your non-nons? If it is the latter, it is not a 30-60 hold in a deeply held stretched position, which is the type of stretching I am arguing against.



>>If muscle is tight, why do we stretch it?

Again, I am not arguing against flexibility. Let's at least get the symantics straight before we continue this little debate any further.



>>Why is it that the NATA's general guidelines to minimizing the risks say "Players should stretch properly before and after workouts of any kind."?

Who is NATA? And again, define a "proper" stretch. I define a proper stretch as something done with movement. You list no such qualification. I am certified with NFPT, and they recommend passive stretching, but that doesn't make them right. I didn't cease to take in information after passing that test over 15 years ago. I disagree with many points they list as fact in their own manual.



>>Why did we learn about the different types of stretching in our athletic training class?

Did they also teach you to not investigate and continue to learn? There are different methods, but that doesn't make them all applicable in all situations. Quoting renowned strength coach, Bill Hartman:
"The method you choose is dependent on the needs of the individual. In some cases, such as initial rehab, a newbie to stretching, sedentary individuals, etc. static stretching may be "the best" choice. For athletes who perform dynamically with high levels of force and speed, statics will be insufficient due to the stronger neuromuscular component to their flexibility needs.

Some athletes may not need to do a great deal (or any) specialized flexibility work if their program design meets their needs for dynamic flexibility. Using weightlifters again, they do very little in the way of flexibility training once they achieve their extreme levels of flexibility as the deep squats, overhead squats, snatches, and jerks will reinforce dynamic flexibility. I actually train several female golfers who do no supplementary stretching because they are already too hypermobile. Any more additional flexibility makes them unstable and compromises strength and promotes joint wear and tear."




>>Stretching is GOOD! but only if its the right kind of stretching for each person and it is properly done...

Again, you're preaching to the choir.



>>You're not going to stretch a sprinter the same was as a cross country runner...

Exactly how do you train a sprinter differently than a cross country runner?
 
LMAO.... You just made my day... the NATA is the National Athletic Trainers Association... I'm surprised that you didn't know that being a personal trainer yourself.... We're the people that take care of athlete's injuries on the side lines during practices, games, etc...

Mission of the NATA.... To enhance the quality of health care for athletes and those engaged in physical activity, and to advance the profession of athletic training through education and research in the prevention, evaluation, management, and rehabilition of injuries...

Almost every single athletic trainer I've ever met.. (which is almost all the ones that work at colleges in minnesota) agree that you need to stretch... My internship at the University of Minnesota with the Gopher football team... they stretched, did a dynamic warm up and stretched after all of their workouts, which was sometimes 3 times a day...
 
I am not an athletic trainer, so they are outside my realm of familiarity. But this (J Orthop Sports Phys Ther. 2004 Mar;34(3):116-25.) is about as legit as you can get. Does Nata not recognize current data published in prestigious peer-reviewed journals?

Also, you still didn't answer all my questions from that post.

>>Then why do Professional and Olympic athletes go through elaborate stretching routines before an important event?

Watch sprinters or weight lifters before their events... They are MOVING! If you read the studied, that is posted above, you will see that passive stretching REDUCES force output. That means that it would slow them down, or reduce the amount they could lift, or reduce the vertical leap of the athletes.



>>Why do they suggest having just flexibilty workouts?

Who is "they", and what are their qualifications?



>>Why do we stretch in the morning before we get out of bed?

Are you talking about hopping down on the floor and stretching out, or are you referring to the stretch you do along with yawning and scratching your non-nons? If it is the latter, it is not a 30-60 hold in a deeply held stretched position, which is the type of stretching I am arguing against.



>>If muscle is tight, why do we stretch it?

Again, I am not arguing against flexibility. Let's at least get the symantics straight before we continue this little debate any further.



>>Why is it that the NATA's general guidelines to minimizing the risks say "Players should stretch properly before and after workouts of any kind."?

Define a "proper" stretch. I define a proper stretch as something done with movement. You list no such qualification. I am certified with NFPT, and they recommend passive stretching, but that doesn't make them right. I didn't cease to take in information after passing that test over 15 years ago. I disagree with many points they list as fact in their own manual.



>>Why did we learn about the different types of stretching in our athletic training class?

Did they also teach you to not investigate and continue to learn? There are different methods, but that doesn't make them all applicable in all situations. Quoting renowned strength coach, Bill Hartman:
"The method you choose is dependent on the needs of the individual. In some cases, such as initial rehab, a newbie to stretching, sedentary individuals, etc. static stretching may be "the best" choice. For athletes who perform dynamically with high levels of force and speed, statics will be insufficient due to the stronger neuromuscular component to their flexibility needs.

Some athletes may not need to do a great deal (or any) specialized flexibility work if their program design meets their needs for dynamic flexibility. Using weightlifters again, they do very little in the way of flexibility training once they achieve their extreme levels of flexibility as the deep squats, overhead squats, snatches, and jerks will reinforce dynamic flexibility. I actually train several female golfers who do no supplementary stretching because they are already too hypermobile. Any more additional flexibility makes them unstable and compromises strength and promotes joint wear and tear."



>>Stretching is GOOD! but only if its the right kind of stretching for each person and it is properly done...

Again, you're preaching to the choir.



>>You're not going to stretch a sprinter the same was as a cross country runner...

Exactly how do you train a sprinter differently than a cross country runner?
 
I could see from a personal trainers point of view you probably don't need to stretch as much because most exercises are single plane exercises. Where as dealing with athletes and sports, from the athletic trainer point of view, you need to stretch. Sports are multi plane, multi muscle movements. If you do not have the flexibilty, doing quick hard cuts could result in something such as a pulled muscle. That's why you need to work on flexibility and you do this by stretching...

At our college, the first year I worked with the football team, we had over 10 pulled muscles... A year after that we got a new head athletic trainer who establish an pre-practice and a post-practice stretching routine... I've been working with the football team now for 4 years total.. in those 3 years of using the stretching routine, we have had less than 10 pulled muscle injuries total, of which most were freshman.

We are coming from slightly differen professions. My experiences have been with sports, and yours has come from exercise. For exercising, a simple 5 mins job will be a good enough warm up. For sports, more of a dynamic warm up with stretching is probably required.

Here is an article that I received in class about PNF stretching (which we use a lot in our athletic training room...)

(it's only a summary version because they haven't activated my account yet)
 
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