Utterly Baffled and frustrated - Weight Loss Plateau

brntbow

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Hi Folks.

This is probably the millionth post about weight loss plateaus, but I don't care because I'm frustrated and my situation/question is unique :)

So, I weigh 277 lbs, down from 360 and nothng more will come off, it's been three weeks. I power walk 20mins to work and 20 mins home every day, then I get on my recumbent bike and peddle keeping my heart rate between 147 and 177 until get to 1000 calories. I only eat 1000 calories per day (which can actually be a total feast with the right foods). My maintenance calories should be somewhere around 2600. I have never treated myself to anything remotely unhealthy since I started this journey on January 1 2009. I know it sounds like bolony but it's true, no treats. I eat only chicken, tuna, and vegetables, also keep sodium below 1500mg/day.

I can understand being in "starvation mode" because of the 1000 calories BUT I'm burning 1000 in excercise alone, so that should cancel the food out. So should I not be burning my maintenance calories on top of that? I'm losing no weight, is that not saying that I'm burning only the 1000 from excercise and NOTHNG else? I should be losing a lb every two days, and I'm losing nothing and it doesn't make any sense and I'm getting really pissed because I'm working my ass off!

Any thoughts?
 
how long has this been going on? Remembering it can take a couple of weeks for anything to be noticeable.
 
Well, I've been on this "diet" since Jan 1st, I have been losing weight steadily until 3 weeks ago, then nothing. It just doesn't make sense with my excercise and calorie deficit.
 
1000 calories at 277 pounds???

Thats like an Indy car racer racing on half a tank of gas. You might be a little lighter than the other cars, but you wont finish the race. I used to be 350 and also hit the nasty 270 plateau, several times in fact. I too was exercising like mad and eating as little as possible. Nothing.

Then I took some advice here and upped my calories to 2000 a day.....

And now I am down to 240......

Coincidence? You tell me.

Hard to win the race if you aint got any fuel in the tank my friend. You need fuel to burn the fat off.

Try it out. Since you haven't lost any weight in 3 weeks anyways, what could it hurt? Take a couple of weeks, keep your workouts, (maybe add something other than just cardio) and eat more.

Also, calories aren't the only important thing. What about fibre, carbs, protein, etc. Those are just as, if not more important than just calories. A person could eat 1000 calories of crap a day, and I wonder how their weight loss would be.

Read through the forums and check out the stickies. All the answers you are looking for are here already, but I figure (not an expert, just personal experience) 1000 calories just isnt fueling the fire. I couldn't imagine eating only 1000 calories a day. No way in hell. That would be like self-abuse.

sirant
 
i add something too. i'm pretty sure the reason starvation mode is bad is because everything you eat is stored as fat. so nothing is ever burning. So do the math. if you take in 1000 calories and it is stored as fat since you eat so little, and you burn off 1000, where does that put you? your metabolism, isn't really doing anything extra because it doesn't want to become malnourished burn burning off what little intake it had. so there you go. i think haha.
 
Ditto Sirant. Listen to the man... he has experience and knowledge. Read the stickies. Your situation isn't unique at all.

i add something too. i'm pretty sure the reason starvation mode is bad is because everything you eat is stored as fat. so nothing is ever burning.

That's not quite true. Starvation mode isn't "bad." It one of the primary factors of why we, as humans, are still around today. Our bodies don't like being deficient in energy so when we force a deficiency on our bodies (ie, dieting) it does things to combat it.

Regardless of how many calories you're deficient, the body is going to adapt. This adaptation, recently, is termed starvation mode. In fact though, it's merely a survival tool the body uses in times of any energy deficiency.

The longer or harder you diet, the more pronounced the adaptation will be.

In addition, even if your body has adapted, it still doesn't bend the laws of thermodynamics. If you're eating a deficit, you're not going to store tissue. Where people trip up is when your body adapts to a energy deficiency, what should be your maintenance can actually be a surplus.

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To the OP, if you're truly eating 1000 calories per day at your size, the weight will come off. If not, you have something going on medically. It's really that simple. I mean being stalled for a couple of weeks isn't a plateau in my mind. But if in a months time you haven't lost anything eating 1000 calories per day, either a) you're eating more than 1000 calories per day, or b) again, something is off with your metabolism.

You're approaching this from the wrong angle IMO.... beating your body into submission rarely leaves people feeling good and keep the weight off at the end of the day.

You might want to reassess and I'd start by reading the stickies.

Good luck.
 
if its only a couple weeks then perhaps wait until your period has gone also, and any water weight or constipation or one of the other billion things :)
 
To the OP, if you're truly eating 1000 calories per day at your size, the weight will come off. If not, you have something going on medically. It's really that simple.

That's exactly why I am so frustrated, up until 3 weeks ago I was losing 5lbs/week then...brick wall.

I will take the advice to eat more, as I have heard this elsewhere as well, it's just tough because I had such a good thing going with 1000 calories, all chicken, veggies, tuna and whole wheat wraps wth no condiments. It was actually a challenge to get to 1000. Oh well, I'll give it a shot and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the support folks! Much appreciated.

Brent
 
try recounting the calories and being uber honest (i know how easy it is to round things down heh).
Give it another couple weeks also :)
 
Ditto Wishes. I highly doubt you were truly at 1000. Nothing against you.

Here's a great article worth reading written by a friend of mine, Tom Venuto:



Q: Tom, Is it possible to not lose body fat because you're eating too little?

A: Yes and no. This gets a little complicated so let me explain both sides.

Part one of my answer: I say NO, because if you are in a calorie deficit you WILL lose weight.

We all hear stories of the dieter who claims to be eating 800 calories a day or some starvation diet level of intake and yet is not losing fat. Like the mythical unicorn, such an animal does not exist. Every time you take a person like that and put them in a hospital research center or metabolic ward where their food can be counted, weighed, measured and almost literally "spoon fed" to them, a calorie deficit always produces weight loss.

There are no exceptions, except possibly in rare diseases or mutations. Even then I think metabolic or hormonal defects or diseases merely lead to energy imbalance via increases in appetite, decreases in energy expenditure or changes in energy partitioning. So at the end of the day it's STILL calories in versus calories out. In other words, NO - it's NOT your thyroid (unless you've got a confirmed diagnosis as such...and then guess what... it's STILL calories in vs calories out, you're just not burning as many as someone should at your height and weight).

One famous study that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine years ago proved this point rather dramatically. After studying obese people - selected specifically because they swore they were eating less than 1200 calories but could not lose weight - Steven Lichtman and his colleages at St. Luke's Roosevent Hospital in New York came to the following conclusion:

"The failure of some obese subjects to lose weight while eating a diet they report as low in calories is due to an energy intake substantially higher than reported and an overestimation of physical activity, not to an abnormality in thermogenesis."

That's right - the so-called "diet-resistant" subjects were eating more than they thought and moving less than they thought. This was probably the single best study ever published that debunks the "I'm in a calorie deficit but I can't lose weight" myth: The lesson contained here is so important, I did a full write-up on this research paper for my inner circle members:


The Real Reason For "Diet Resistance" And Weight Loss Plateaus:
Study Reveals The Shocking Truth

(burn the fat inner circle members only)

You can read the study abstract on Pub Med (US National Library of Medicine) for free:

Part two of my answer, YES, because:

1) Energy intake increases. Eating too little causes major, sometimes almost irresistible increases in appetite. With hunger raging out of control, you lose your deficit by overeating. this happens in many ways, such as giving in to cravings, binge eating, eating more on weekends or simply being inconsistent, so some days you're on your prescribed 1600 calories a day or whatever is your target amount, but on others you are taking in 2200, 2500, 3000 etc and you don't realize it or remember it. The overeating days wipe out the deficit days.

2) Metabolism decreases due to smaller body mass. Any time at all when you are losing weight, your metabolism is slowly decreasing due to your reduced body mass. The smaller and lighter you get, especially if there is a large drop in skeletal muscle mass, the fewer calories you need. So your calorie deficit slowly shrinks over time as your diet progresses. As a result, your weight loss slows down even though you haven't changed how much you eat.

With starvation, you always lose weight, but eventually you lose so much weight/body mass that you can reach energy balance at the same caloric intake you used to lose weight on. You might translate that as "I went into starvation mode" which wouldn't be incorrect, but it would be more accurate to say that your calorie needs decreased.

3) Metabolism decreases due to adaptive thermogenesis. Eating too little also causes a starvation response (adaptive thermogenesis) where metabolic rate can decrease above and beyond what can be accounted for from the change in body mass (#2 above). This is "starvation response" in the truest sense. It does exist and it is well documented. However, the latest research says that the vast majority of the decrease in metabolism comes from reduced body mass. The adaptive component of the reduced metabolic rate is fairly small, perhaps 10% (ie, 220 calories for an average female with a 2200 TDEE). The result is when you don't eat enough, your actual weight loss is less than predicted on paper, but weight loss doesn't stop completely.

There is a BIG myth about starvation mode (adaptive thermogenesis) that implies that if you don't eat enough, your metabolism will slow down so much that you stop losing weight. That can't happen, it only appears that way because weight loss stops for other reasons. What happens is the math equation changes!

Energy balance is dynamic, so your weight loss slows down and eventually stops over time if you fail to adjust your calories and activity levels in real time each week. I teach a system for how to adjust calories and activity weekly using a feedback loop method in my Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle program.

So what can be done to stop this metabolic slowdown caused by low calorie dieting and the dreaded fat loss plateau that follows? I recommend the following:

1) Lose weight slowly. Slow and steady wins in long term fat loss and maintenance every time. Rapid weight loss correlates strongly with weight relapse and loss of lean body mass. Aim for one to two pounds per week, or no more than 1% of total body weight (ie, 3 lbs per week if you weigh 300 lbs). For more info, read: The Two Pounds Per Week Rule and Faster Fat Loss

2) Use a higher energy flux program. If you are physically capable of exercise, then use weight training AND cardio to increase your energy expenditure, so you can still have a calorie deficit, but at a higher food intake (also known as a "high energy flux" program, or as we like to say in Burn The Fat, "eat more, burn more.")

3) Use a conservative calorie deficit. You still need a calorie deficit to lose fat, but your best bet is to keep the deficit small. This helps you avoid triggering the starvation response, which includes the increased appetite and potential to binge that comes along with starvation diets. I recommend a 20% deficit below your maintenance calories (TDEE), a 30% deficit at most for those with high body fat.

4) Refeed. Increase your calories (re-feed) for a full day periodically (once a week or so if you are heavy, twice a week if you are already lean), to restimulate metabolism. On the higher calorie day, take your calories to maintenance or even 10, 15, 20% above maintenance and add the extra calories in the form of carbs (carb cycling). The leaner you get, and the longer you've been on reduced calories, the more important the re-feeds will be.

5) Take periodic diet breaks. Take 1 week off your calorie restricted diet approximately every 12 weeks or so. During this period, take your calories back up to maintenance, but continue to eat healthy, "clean" foods. Alternately, go into a muscle building phase if that is one of your goals. This will bring metabolism and regulatory hormones back up to normal and keep lean body mass stable.

As new research has emerged which helps clarify the complex nature of adaptive thermogenesis and neuroendocrine control of appetite, I have continued to update my information. What you have just read is the best quick explanation I can give based on the current scientific body of knowledge, plus what I know from many years of experience with both heavy and lean dieters - from the obese to the bodybuilding competitor.

There is much confusion about how your metabolism, hormones and appetite mechanisms are affected when you're dieting, so this was really one of the most important questions anyone could have asked. If this didn't click - I mean REALLY click - then please read my answer again because misunderstanding this stuff leads more people to remain frustrated and stuck at plateaus than anything else I can think of.
 
Ditto Wishes. I highly doubt you were truly at 1000. Nothing against you.

Here's a great article worth reading written by a friend of mine, Tom Venuto:

That was a great article! Thanks for the link... really made me think about things within my own diet.
 
I am happy to report that the "plateau" is over and I have lost 8 lbs since my OP I'm now 269 and extremely happy.

I took your advice as well as advice from Jillian Michaels and staggered my calories. last Monday night I ate 1300 calories (carefully measured I know some of you have trouble believing I only eat 1000) then switched on Tuesday back to 1000 and went back and forth.

It really worked!! Thanks to everyone for the support.
 
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