towel roll for benching??

OK need help from all the pros. I am a cert. pers. trainer and work in a local private school. Recently someone came in (older coach) and started using a rolled up towel on his chest when he benches. Says it prevents injuries. Now all the students are using it because it gives you a bit of a bounce off your chest. Some coaches are against it and it's causing problems. Anybody ever hear of this? He also has students doing powerlifting moves and some are only 14yrs old. Any thoughts or info to support either?
Thanks
 
I would likely assume that this coach uses the rolled up towel because he has been in the habit of bouncing the bar off his chest when benching. If you've ever seen any competitive benching, this bouncing is not allowed...in fact, the competitors have to REST the bar on their chest until they are asked to "press", at which point they will press the bar up for a successful lift. I would not suggest a towel be used, and I would discourage the students in your private school to do this. Also, keep in mind that if the towel is large enough, rolling it up and placing it on the chest will limit range of motion, which is not a desireable situation in itself.
 
He does not bounce the bar off his chest. Says he had a shoulder injury years ago and this helps. He says limiting the range of motion was suggested to help prevent shoulder problems. All new to me!!
 
It has nothing to do with bouncing but ROM instead.

Big Bench - Bad Shoulders

Paul Chek



Why all the fuss over a big bench-press? What does the sheer amount of weight that someone can push whilst lying flat on their back have to do with anything? If you’re sitting with a bunch of guys and someone strong walks in, it’s common to hear "I wonder what he can bench?" Or when discussing sport, the same question comes up, "How much can so-and-so bench?" When I go to a party and meet people, you can be as sure as the presence of beer that someone will ask, "What can you bench?" It is always great fun to see their reaction when I tell them "Not much, but I can run 30 meters flat out with Malu Mainu’u on my back!"

The bench press exercise was never intended to be a benchmark of man (or woman!) hood. It is an exercise for improving the size and/or strength of the chest, anterior deltoids and triceps, nothing else. In fact, the star player on any team is rarely the one with the biggest bench press! Unfortunately, over-emphasis on the bench press often coupled with poor technique has led to a high incidence of shoulder injuries in both athletes and non-athletes. Additionally many people are not anatomically designed to perform the exercise as it is generally taught in most strength training texts, Personal Trainer certification courses and by many strength coaches.

THE PROBLEM WITH TRADITIONAL TECHNIQUE

Figure 1

The bar is lowered until it touches the chest (Figure 1) and then pressed back up to the start position. Everyone is expected to lower the bar to the chest; anything less is considered poor form, sub-standard, and even wimpy by fellow lifters. However, to perform the exercise under such guidelines requires a greater range of motion (ROM) than is found in the shoulder joint of most people - particularly male athletes. Why is it so important to work within the ROM of your shoulder joint? Some simple anatomy will help to explain this.

The movement-restricting factor during a bench press is not the muscles of the shoulder; it is the special connective tissue casing around the shoulder joint called the "joint capsule." This highly specialized structure is anatomically designed to not only allow just the right amount of motion to prevent joint damage, but also contains thousands of specialized nerve endings called "proprioceptors." Proprioceptors are special nerve endings that communicate with the brain to inform it of joint position and speed of movement, as well as pressure, tension and pain in and around the joint. Loading the shoulder and forcing it beyond the functional ROM limit will stretch the shoulder joint capsule. In most people this will occur by letting the bench-press bar travel until it touches the chest.

Additionally, because the bench press is performed on a flat weight lifting bench, normal movement of the shoulder blades (scapulae) is disrupted. This demands that more movement must occur in the shoulder joint itself. As the bar is loaded with heavier and heavier weights, the shoulder blades are pressed into the bench harder and harder, further disrupting the normal mechanics of the shoulder girdle joints and overloading the shoulder.

HOW FAR SHOULD YOU LET THE BAR TRAVEL WHEN PERFORMING A BENCH PRESS?

To protect the shoulder joint capsule from being stretched out or injured the exerciser must determine how far to safely lower the bar. It is essential that each person determine optimal bench press range of motion for his or her own shoulders, as each person is different.

The Bench Press Range of Motion Test

Figure 2

Step 1 - Passive Range of Motion:
Place your arm in the bench press position and allow your arm to lower to its passive end range of motion (Figure 2). This is the position where the arm naturally stops without being forced. At this point you have determined the exact point at which the shoulder joint capsule becomes the primary restraint to shoulder ROM.

Step 2 - Optimal Bottom Position:
Once you have identified the end position of passive shoulder range of motion with the Bench Press Range of Motion Test, lift the arm 2-3cm to find your optimal bottom position for the bench press exercise (Figure 3). This creates a small buffer zone (10º - 15º) which will protect the joint capsule from overload when the weights get heavy or when you get tired.


Figure 3



Although many will argue that you must train through the "full range of motion" to be strong for sport, this concept is unfounded. It is well known among Physiotherapists and exercise scientists that there is approximately a 15º +/- carry-over of strength developed at any specific joint angle with strength training. i.e. if you train the shoulder from 15º to 75º, the strength gained will carryover from 0º to 90º. This is how sports medicine doctors improve strength in an injured shoulder or knee without actually ever moving the joint through the painful ROM.

What’s so important about training within your given ROM?

What most trainers, athletes and coaches don’t seem to respect is the fact that training beyond the shoulder’s passive barrier with heavy loads will stretch the shoulder joint capsule. Once stretched, the joint capsule can no longer stabilize the shoulder joint with common arm movements such as swimming, hitting a volley ball or netball, holding power tools over head or even swinging a hammer. If these arm movements are repeated without the stability provided by a functional shoulder joint capsule, an impingement syndrome develops, resulting in inflammation and pain in the shoulder joint. Bursitis and rotator cuff tendonitis commonly develop secondarily. Because the shoulder joint capsule provides critical information about arm position, those with a loose joint capsule often lose their ability to accurately sense joint position. This will result in a loss of accuracy in sports requiring precision placement of the arm.

In any sport, your arm rarely ever reaches a loaded end point in the same position twice in the same game or event. Because the loads in sport are both brief in duration and seldom as high as those encountered during a bench press session, the shoulder joint capsule can recover from intermittent exposure to end range loading. For those with insufficient range of motion to perform the traditional Bench Press, going to the gym and lowering heavy loads to your chest with slow speeds of movement, 30-100 repetitions or more per week is like repeatedly crashing your car into a brick wall at slow speeds just to prepare for the one day you may actually have an accident!

WHAT DO I DO IF MY SHOULDERS ARE TRASHED AND I STILL WANT TO BENCH PRESS?

If you have painful shoulders when bench pressing you may not need to stop. To safely return to bench pressing, follow these guidelines:


Spend 4-8 weeks performing a rotator cuff conditioning program. For more information on rotator cuff training I recommend the book Seven Minute Rotator Cuff Solution by Horrigan and Robinson.
Figure 4

Begin your return to the bench press from the floor, not a bench (Figure 4). The floor creates a range of motion barrier, protecting your shoulder joint capsules and tendons from excessive stretch.
Always start with dumbbells. Dumbbells allow your body the needed freedom of motion to find a new bench press pathway that does not stress the injured tissues.
Once you have performed 3-4 weeks of floor bench press, progress from the floor to a slightly deflated 55-65cm Swiss Ball (Figure 5). The Swiss Ball will allow a slightly greater range of motion than the floor and will increase stabilizer activation. A C.H.E.K certified intern can teach you how to perform many Swiss Ball bench press variations.
Figure 5

After 3-4 weeks on a deflated Swiss Ball, progressively inflate your Swiss Ball. The firm ball will allow slightly more shoulder joint motion as well as increased shoulder blade motion.
Having performed the above steps, use the test described in Figure 2 to assure that you don’t exceed your shoulders safe bench press range of motion. Progress both volume and intensity slowly. If your shoulder(s) begin to show signs of discomfort with the traditional bench press, revert back to the previous steps in the progression and avoid the traditional bench press all together!


References
From:paulchekseminars.com/articles.cfm?select=26

Chek, P. Strong 'N' Stable: Swiss Ball Weight Training, videocassette series. San Diego, CA: Lenny Magill Productions/Paul Chek Seminars, 1997.
Chek, P. Gym Instructor Series: Vol. 2 Pushing & Pressing Exercises, videocassette. San Diego, CA: Paul Chek Seminars, 1997.
Hartmann, J. & Tunnemann, H. Fitness & Strength Training for All Sports. Toronto, ON: Sports Books Publisher, 1995.
Horrigan, J. & Robinson, J. The 7-Minute Rotator Cuff Solution. Los Angeles, CA: Health for Life, 1991.
 
Very interesting article...Thanks...Guess I misread about the bouncing...

As far as range of motion goes, agreed that very significant progress can be made working an injured joint through its available (ie: limited) range of motion during the initial phases of rehabilitation. However, one must keep in mind that one of the main goals of rehabilitation is to regain full (normal) range of motion within a joint. Agreed as well, that if you have insufficient range of motion to do a standard bench press (for whatever reason), you may begin by working with your available range of motion, but the ultimate goal should be to gain enough range of motion to perform a standard bench press. I see no reason why someone could not reach the bottom phase of a bench press (~90 degrees shoulder abduction, ~90 degrees horizontal adduction and ~90 degrees elbow flexion)...All this being said, mind you, I am not a big bench press fanatic, in my own trainings or with my clients. I am, however, very interested in knowing what is right and wrong...so please, correct me if you can/must..Thanks :)
 
i dont think a towell is really really necessary to bench press in normal circumstances because it encourages bouncing and Bouncing is BAD!

But if the towell is used for some other reason that doesnt induce a poor lifting technique, i guess its fine.

I would just say that it could cause problems when young inexperienced, impressionable people start copying the more experienced guys and bouncing the weight when they shouldnt be.
 
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Re: It has nothing to do with bouncing but ROM instead.

Tony Soprano said:
From:


Big Bench - Bad Shoulders

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A long post but worth reading! I hadnt thought about that issue before, but it seems sensible!

Thanks!
 
Having carefully re-read the Paul Chek article, and following a discussion about it with my boyfriend, I went and tried this technique myself. I understand and agree with the point made by Chek to respect one’s available range of motion when performing this exercise. For example, very slim people with very long limbs will be much below the “~90 degrees” we typically assign as the bottom position of the bench press (mistake 1: we tend to assign this 90 degrees by telling people to bring the bar to their chest). However, the confusion/argument arises when dealing with people who are limited in their range of motion, and will (mis)read this article and then believe that it is ok for them to work in this limited range of motion long term. It is generally understood that long term lifting in limited range of motion will cause muscle shortening/tightness. Tight and inflexible muscles will then cause changes in joint position followed by adaptive changes in joint structures (ie, the joint capsule). It is important to note that a tight joint capsule will also contribute to shoulder injuries as does an unstable or stretched one.

That being said, another issue comes up. When lifting for lifting (ie for hypertrophy, strength, etc, so sports functionality aside), is it not common to contract a muscle from a stretched position? For example, when we do calf raises, do we not go beyond the neutral position (heel flat on the ground)? Is this not why we do calf raises off a step so that we may stretch the calves and then contract them from this position? Or when we do dumbbell vertical extensions, do we not go beyond 90 degrees of elbow flexion in order to get a good stretch of the triceps? Yes, functionality-wise, it makes sense with the calf, because even in activities of daily living, we will need to contract the gastrocs/soleus from a stretched position. However, the principle applies to many/most exercises. Would it not be normal then, to go a little beyond the ~90 degrees at the bottom phase of the bench press? It is a pure lifting principle meant to increase muscle size, strength. And as Chek states, the bench press is just that: an exercise. Not a "benchmark of manhood" or sports-related functionality, just “an exercise for improving the size and/or strength of the chest, anterior deltoids and triceps, nothing else”.

This is what I was pondering after reading the article…when you have an article like this one on a forum where there are some beginners and inexperienced lifters, some confusion may arise. I just wanted to clear up a few things…but I would be glad to have anyone’s feedback. I think this is an interesting discussion! :)
 
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Good post Mogwai.

Maybe the bench marks we set should be independant of body type, so rather than saying "Bring the bar down to touch your chest", it should be "Bring the bar down until your forarm makes an 80 degree angle with your upper arm" (this is not necessarily touching the chest).

I have also read studies which show that exercise within a limited ROM on a regular basis can cause extreme inflexibility. For example, Doing pushups (like bench press but with even less ROM), for high repetitions every day causes inflexibility of the arms and shoulders which cannot be reversed.
 
i also really like this post. you can probably look around any gym and notice people that work with a limited ROM ... they're the guys that have their chest puffed out and arms hanging about 5 inches infront of their body ... and it's not to look big (well, maybe for some); it's because they work on a limited range of motion to push more weight during a workout ... the less distance you have to go, the less work required ... it also avoids some of the major sticking points that makes a particular workout that much more difficult ... which, for some people that may have some injury (ie. shoulder) will help them reduce the risk of another injury.

grm, it really sounds like the problem is that the kids don't understand the reasons behind the old coaches methods and just need to be 'schooled'.

As for the age of the kids doing the workouts, that's a whole 'nother matter ... i don't think kids at that age should be doing too much weight work ... but, i'll leave that discussing for the thread on 'developing youths..'
 
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