The right ratio of fat and carb

I am 5'9, weight 146 with a bit more of a fat butt than I'd like and some tummy fat but doesn't roll if you know what i mean.

I have estimated my daily calories for serious work-out (3-4 times a week plus running once or twice a week) to be somewhere around 2800-3000. I aim to bulk up and get some lean muscle mass. I realize it will be, for the most part, inevitable that I'd gain some extra fat along the way and would have to cut down eventually for a more refined body.

I will consume around 150-160 grams of protein daily.

With that said, what would be the right ratio and percentage of fat and carbs? Can someone tell me how much of those would that be in gram? Will it be more or less of one of these or both on non-work out day?
 
In my opinion i would up my protien intake to say 240-250 and keep carbs at about 75g mostly complex carbs, no sugar, no processed carbs. And in my training fat has never been measured. As long as you are eating healthy natural foods, fat shouldn't matter. Fat actually helps gain lean muscle.
 
Every person's body is different but with that said, the generic percentage for mass gain phase is : 40-50% carb, 30-40% protein, and 20% fat. The will come naturally with the food that you eat. Try to eat at least 1g of protein per bodymass (LBM). In term of carbs, eat mostly slow digesting: just remember that if it's white, put it down. Stick with brown rice/bread or oatmeal, etc. Only two times you want fast absorbing carbs+protein are when you wake up and right after working out. Rest of the time, stick with slow digesting carbs / protein.
 
20% fat is pretty low IMO. You don't really need carbs in % anyway, you need enough carbs to refil your glycogen stores (unless your cutting, carb cycling, or whatever, this is just for a very straight forward diet where you want to be able to bust ass in the gym) enough protein to grow, and the rest you just need kcals to get kcals, so just eat healthy fats, maybe some more carbs if you want. Keep the carbs mainly low GI/GL except for right after your workouts, then you can drink a shake with protein and glucose (also called dextrose)

now how many carbs you need to refil glycogen stores.. I have no idea, sorry :( it's a very complex question with a lot of individual differences, but I just told you the thing about the glycogen stores because there's really no need to do a % thing with everything. You're only 140lbs, a normal recommendation is 1g protein per 1lbs of BW, some will tell you more, though. There's no date to suggest that a lot of protein is harmful to a healthy person, so it's probably better to be on the safe side and just eat a lot of it :p

A lot of people say you need to eat a bunch of carbs when you work out because otherwise you won't refill your glycogen stores. The thing is, though, that weight training doesn't really use a whole lot of glycogen, cardio tends to do, though. It will also depend on your split. If you for example work your upper body one day, you only need to refill your glycogen stores in your upper body and liver, because glycogen in the muscles can only be used in the muscles where they are stored.

Now that's a lot of theory you might not need, but it might help you understand better why we eat like we eat. But the most important part for your now is just getting enough kcals and protein. the rest usually takes care of itself. It's all about how much effort you want to put into it. If you want to go all out and read up on carb cycling, etc, then do, but if you don't think you're ready for that yet, then you don't need to be an uber diet nazi to get results.
 
I saw this on the ExRx forum (this is a user not ExRx officially) :-

gaining muscle :- 40p:30c:30f
cutting fat :- 40p:20c:40f

There was also a figure quoted officilally on ExRx of a 175 lbs person needed 100g of carbs to refill their glycogen stores.
 
I saw this on the ExRx forum (this is a user not ExRx officially) :-

gaining muscle :- 40p:30c:30f
cutting fat :- 40p:20c:40f

There was also a figure quoted officilally on ExRx of a 175 lbs person needed 100g of carbs to refill their glycogen stores.

100g of carbs? well, the liver can store ca 100g glycogen and the muscles 400. These are aprox numbers as everyone is different depending on muscle size so there might be other numbers out there, but 100g carbs to refil sounds very low. If the person is completely depleted of glycogen, 100g carbs won't do it.
 
I am 5'9, weight 146 with a bit more of a fat butt than I'd like and some tummy fat but doesn't roll if you know what i mean.

I have estimated my daily calories for serious work-out (3-4 times a week plus running once or twice a week) to be somewhere around 2800-3000. I aim to bulk up and get some lean muscle mass. I realize it will be, for the most part, inevitable that I'd gain some extra fat along the way and would have to cut down eventually for a more refined body.

I will consume around 150-160 grams of protein daily.

With that said, what would be the right ratio and percentage of fat and carbs? Can someone tell me how much of those would that be in gram? Will it be more or less of one of these or both on non-work out day?

If you want "major" improvements, it begins with:

Education, number 1. Diet-number 2, and training with weights (or another proper fitness routine applicable to your personal fitness goals) a close-kin, number 3.

The diet is the facilitator of "growth".

The weight routine the "stimulant" of the "growth".

Actively participating in: "aggressive progression"--which bridges the "growth" (diet) and the "stimulant" (weights) together and forces "continual adaption" and can attempt to prevent homeostasis (staying the same), and proper rest provides the strong foundation for the "growth", "stimulant", and "aggressive progression" to thrive.

It's simply NOT about "just" pounding the weights (or ones fitness routine, alone); it is a collective discipline by putting personal pieces together and learning what works.


Some suggestive guidelines for macro nutrients:

I can provide some perimeters, but nothing "personally" definite, as you have to work with the figures until you start seeing good weight gain, that will work for you.

And, yes, this involves eating "enough" to solicit weight gain, as it does eating less to solicit tissue loss.

I can provide (an example) area to work within, and where you would manipulate as you get feed back from your body as you move forward. You simply will have to "experiment", and keep working with it and sticking with it, to "potentially" find a sweet spot, if there is one in the first place.

Constructing a diet, with one "wanting a goal" isn't really that difficult in the numbers game particular to the person.

1. Establish your BASELINE calorie needs. (which it "appears you had")

This means look here to obtain this information:

Nutrition 101

Delaware Consumer Health Information Services (Originally Posted by Wrangell)

Start with a mild surplus then adjust as needed.

Small surplus meaning something like 300 to 500 calories, if you are worried about too much fat accumulation, IMO, I would start out on the lower end, and THEN increase as necessary.

Slower is better than faster, primarily because (WITH MOST average) persons, the body's ability to put on muscle is outperformed by the body's ability to put on fat tissue, in most average cases.

2. Set a protein intake around the "ballpark premise" of 1g per pound of body weight. Simply a figure "around" this mark. The .08, gets floated around, as does the 1g per pound of body weight, and above. Simply middle ground it, to about 1g, and you will be okay. These figures, are applicable in your case.

Remember not to go below .08 to 1g, at least IMO. If you're eating more carbohydrates and total calories, protein doesn't have to be as high--such as in a bulk/gain weight situation. IMO.

The lower your calories and carbohydrates go, the more protein you'll need, such as in a cut/or lose the fat situation. IMO. You actually need more protein while "losing weight" than you do while gaining, so keep this in mind, at least in my opinion.

3. Set carbohydrate intake appropriately, either low, moderate, or high.

We are not talking about glucose depletion carbohydrate needs so this is not relevant to you.

Where this ends up, can depend on how you respond (whether dieting to lose to tissue or dieting to gain tissue).

This is a KEY AREA of weight gain....good and bad.

Here you could define very low as 20g to 50g, low as under 75-100g, and moderate 100-200g, and high would be anything over 200g per day.

EDIT: However, these gram ranges can very as much as a persons weight. The higher the weight, the more calorie needs exists, and likewise macro nutrients "can" follow. Therefore keep in mind these ranges are examples.

For performance needs and weight gain, 200g or more per day is a good starting point, but could be extremely high for wanting to lose tissue.

And, its one (in a diet to cut tissue), I would not consider. And, it is possible this gram range could be to high for you, in a bulk.

Tweak and find, I say.

If you're looking to improve body composition and drop fat quicker, keeping carbohydrates under or around 100g per day is a good idea for most-dependent on some personal factors.

The moderate approach is the balance point, still allowing improvements in body comp while not entirely sacrificing performance.

Tweaking this almighty macro nutrient is powerful, and find a range that works with you.

Simply, fill in the rest with good Fats.

Once you've established your calorie baseline, MT-Line, and surplus, protein and carbohydrate consumption, you simply fill in the rest with fats, and tweak you calorie and macro nutrients in accordance with the type of bodily response you "personally receive".

If its not so good on the fat accumulation front (speaking in terms of just......dietary perimeters), you would then potentially look at two things:

Your calorie intake and carbohydrate intake (and potentially the type of carbohydrates consumed), and tweak one of these or both of these, and mediate the differences remaining in grams.

This is the most basic and most simple way I can put it for you.

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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Nutrient Ratios: Example ONLY


Calories per gram of the three major nutrients:

Protein: 4 calories per gram

Carbohydrates: 4 calories per gram

Fat: 9 calories per gram


Example Configuration:

Carbs (2850 calories or your estimated Calorie intake) x (0.50 or other percentage given) = 1425 calories (divided by 4) = 356 grams

Protein (2850 calories or your estimated Calorie intake ) x (0.30 or other percentage given) = 855 calories (divided by 4) = 214 grams

Fat (2850 calories or your estimated Calorie intake) x (0.20 or other percentage given) = 570 calories (divided by 9) = 63 grams


Best wishes for your continued success,


Chillen
 
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