The 60 day vegan project.

imstarting2moro

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Hey everyone, January 1st 2012 starts me and my girlfriends goal of going vegan for two months. In my household this is unheard of. It is going to be a challange, thats for sure.


It all started with a documentery Forks over Knives. I watched this and it made alot of sense so I looked into it a little more and decided I wanted to try it out for two months and go from there. Now i am not going 100% raw because I know I would be setting myself up for failure going this route at this point in time but it may be an option down the road if this is a success.


I am starting out at an unhealthy 310 lbs. I am 5'11. I definetly made all the wrong food choices for a long time now, the convenience and cheapness of fastfood really got to me.


wish me luck and hopefully i can update some results in the near future.
 
Good luck with that. I don't think I would ever go totally vegan, since I don't want to give up cheese, yogurt eggs, and fish. Getting my wife to eat any vegetables at all is a real struggle, whereas I try to get 80% of my calories from non animal sources, as our hunter/gatherer ancestors have done for most of the last million years.
 
I do wish you luck! :) I have been (mostly) vegan for oh...close to 20 years, and it is definitely the right choice for me, nutritionally and ethically.



As 'Forks Over Knives' and similar documentaries and books try to point out, it is the VOLUME of animal products people currently consume in most developed countries which is COMPLETELY unnatural to our species. As you know, in 'Forks Over Knives', they pull together the decades-old science that proves a correlation between cancer and other diseases, and the quantity of animal protein consumed.



Any credible paleontologist would likely point out that homo sapiens sapiens has probably been around for less than 100,000 years, with animal and plant domestication barely a heartbeat of overall hominid evolution. I mean, hominids didn't magically appear with tools in our hands. That means, more akin to gorillas, the only non-plant proteins our pre-tool-use ancestors consumed for the bulk of hominid evolution, we're just what they could grab with their hands. That would be small or slow creatures like insects, frogs, lizards, etc. it's absurd to suggest that pre-tool-use hominids (the bulk of human evolution) were bringing down antelope with their bare hands, much less eating it with our sad, little teeth. Even nearly-vegan gorillas have massive canines that could catch and hold prey...but they don't do that. Our puny, little, vestigial canines couldn't hold s***. I'd be surprised if I could chew through an animal hide, to be honest.



Paleontogists suggest that early man ate any edible food sources they came across, with very little of that being animal based. The only time they likely ate large chunks of flesh were when they scavenged a predator's kill, such as leopards, who tend to leave their kills and come back to them, over a period of time.



The idea of eating meat every day, much less at every meal, is what's foreign to our species' evolution. Even the Inuit, one of the few modern peoples to survive on a mostly meat-based diet, are less than 14,000 years old. Several studies have found that a meat-only diet can only be successful if, in addition to muscles tissue, FRESH organs are consumed. Vital nutrients are quickly lost from organs, once the animal dies. To get vitamin C, for example, organs must be consumed very shortly after the animal is killed. Modern humans who've tried to eat a meat-only diet without fresh organ meat have become seriously I'll, over time.



One of the best lessons from this kind of nutritional study is the knowledge there is no single, necessary diet for humans. The Irish lived for generations on mostly potatoes. Half a billion Indians are vegetarian. Only one of the 'Blue Zone' regions (places where longevity is highest, and disease is lowest) is completely vegan. The traditional Inuit diet is almost entirely animal protein. And most people who live reasonably long, healthy lives eat a fully omnivorous diet.



I actually kind of like the silly myths about veganism, as it's a quick litmus test for someone's knowledge about human physiology, nutrition, and evolution.



From my experience with people trying a vegan diet, I find that those who have good, personal reasons for doing so (e.g. health, ethics), are the ones who best embrace the changes they'll need to make (compared to how they were likely raised), with a sense of resolve. The ones who tend to fail are those who do it as a fad, or as a result of external pressure (such as a cardiologist or spouse). They tend to focus on what they view as not being "allowed" to have. In contrast, us long-time vegans don't don't view it as denial of anything, but rather a choice we make not to be part of a system that exploits other living beings. And when you see the science directly linking various diseases with the amount of animal products consumed, it only helps to reinforce a diet more in keeping with how our species evolved (minus the bugs and toads).



For example, for years now I've been aware of the science linking dairy products and osteoporosis. Areas where dairy products are consumed on a large scale have the highest rate of osteoporosis, while those areas where dairy consumption is practically unheard of, so is osteoporosis. The Masai are a great example. In a continent where dairy consumption among native peoples' traditional diets is quite low, the milk-drinking Masai are pretty much the only tribe to suffer from osteoporosis. Yet because the dairy industry is so lucrative, thus the dairy lobby has such influence with politicians, the facts about dairy's effect on the body is obfuscated.



Still, I think it's the volume of consumption that plays the biggest role. Just last night, I was at a party where a sixty-something woman remarked that she drank lots of milk, so her bones should be strong. I cringed. Every credible study I've read suggests she'll have a significantly lower risk of osteoporosis if she slashes her dairy consumption and, instead, gets her calcium from plant sources.



Consumimg the milk of another species is about as unnatural as it could get. You think a wild, lactating water buffalo is going to just stand there while a hominid walks up and begins milking it?



All that said, I have nothing against eating meat, per se. I'm vegan because I oppose cruelty, captivity, and domestication. If others have different views, that's totally cool with me. The fact that I'm closing in on 50, and still regularly mistaken for my early 20s...with no serious health problems...tends to suggest that a balanced and complete vegan diet is not harming me.



The ttrick for new vegans is learning to eat differently, like the pilgrims had to do when they came to the new world. A balanced and complete vegan diet is appropriate for all life stages. But if you have no experience with a balanced and complete vegan diet, you might have a bit of a learning curve, early on.



Well, I've babbled long enough. ;-)



It's an exciting time for you, and I wish you the best of luck. Just being open to learning, and relying on fact, rather than hearsay, will give you the best chance for a long, healthy life, in terms of nutrition. :)
 
Thanks for the replies guys! Jody you had a lot to say that made me think about the future. One thing you mentioned is about the nutrition aspect of going vegan.i know there are ton of recipies and things out there but do you know of any good websites or information on what one should consume daily with a vegan diet? I am afraid of getting bored with the food because of my lack of knowledge. I am researching now but im kinda in the beggining stages of this project. i should have done a lot more research before hand but it was an on the whim decision. yesterday was my first day in this challenge and last night i had a dream i was caught eating a ham sandwhich (bad right?). any help would be great theres so much info out there I just want to get the right info.


Also do you take multi vitamins? thats a whole other thing I need to be taught on. Thanks once again.
 
Originally Posted by Jody


Any credible paleontologist would likely point out that homo sapiens sapiens has probably been around for less than 100,000 years, with animal and plant domestication barely a heartbeat of overall hominid evolution. I mean, hominids didn't magically appear with tools in our hands . . .



Paleontogists suggest that early man ate any edible food sources they came across, with very little of that being animal based. The only time they likely ate large chunks of flesh were when they scavenged a predator's kill, such as leopards, who tend to leave their kills and come back to them, over a period of time.


It has been about twenty years since I took that course in anthropology, so my time scale was off a bit, but I get it. What I remember was the studies done in the early 20th century up to about 1970 on the few remaining hunter gatherer cultures remaining, like the !ko-san of the Kalahari, (inaccurately portrayed in the movie "The Gods Must be Crazy") the Yanoumami of the Amazon and the Maory of New Guinea. These people hunted, and a group of San hunters would come back empty handed most of the time, but never went hungry. The women rarely failed to gather enough mongongo nuts and roots to keep every one fed. Bringing down a giraffe once a year was a big deal.
 
imstarting2moro, I wish I had better advice for you. I was vegetarian for some time, prior to going vegan, so it was already kind of second nature. When I became vegetarian, 'the Internet' was still pretty new. So, that's not a resource I used, at the time.



SINCE being vegan, I've visited a few sites, seen a few documentaries, and read a few books. However, I haven't really utilized them, in terms of following advice, or anything like that. I was already a happy vegan.



But what can I tell you...?



Don't fall for the protein myths. Pretty much everything has protein in it. You may hear others say that 'complete' proteins are important. In reality, even complete proteins you consume are broken down by the body. It just means you'll have consumed all necessary amino acids in that one food. ...Very convenient. There are several complete proteins in plant form. I typically consume soy, quinoa, hemp, salba, and spirulina. You can also combine foods, to make a complete protein in one dish. Many cultures eat 'rice & peas'/'red beans & rice', as a staple. Then, you can get ample protein in nuts, nut butters, nut milks, seeds, beans, legumes, and more.



Non-heme iron (iron from plant sources) is most fully absorbed if combined with a citrus. When I eat a spinach salad or edamame, I typically have it with grapefruit juice, to get the most iron out of it. (sometimes some orange wedges or berries in a salad). Oh, also purely for iron, a snack might be a slice of wholegrain bread smeared with blackstrap molasses (with a grapefruit juice chaser). (I should eat an actual grapefruit, but I'm lazy, in that sense. I already prepare most of my meals from scratch, which can be a bit time-consuming, at times...depending on what I'm preparing.). I try to keep iron in mind because I'm a woman...who menstruates. Your girlfriend may also want to ensure she's getting enough iron. Even meat-eating women are often iron deficient. My mother, who eats a fair bit of meat, was diagnosed with anemia at age 85. My bloodwork is always perfect.



You can look-up different nutrients for vegan sources. If I have a bowl of spinach, for example, I typically have it with some tomato, and a balsamic dressing, with a sprinkling of sesame seeds, and a few almonds, plus a glass of grapefruit juice on the side. The spinach is a good source of iron and calcium. The almonds and sesame seeds are also a good source of calcium (among other things). Almonds also have some extra protein. (Fitness experts tend to recommend always eating a protein with a complex carb, at every meal and snack. So, I try to also have something a bit higher in protein, even if I'm only planning to have a piece of fruit or a vegetable.)



I'm not a huge fan of soy, in general (except edamame and some tofu dishes). So, I use almond milk, instead of soy milk. Since I've been trying to lose weight, I haven't eaten any cereal, and that's the primary reason I buy almond milk. Thus, I haven't had much almond milk in the past few months. But, normally, it's in my fridge. (I gained weight over several years because my previously-symptom-free PCOS made me insulin resistant -IR. Since I discovered what was going on, and learned about a natural insulin sensitizer, I'm quickly getting back to my pre-IR weight. Wahoo!)



Hmmmm... ...what else?



You may hear that a vegan diet lacks B12. That's not inherently accurate, but you may need to ensure you consume fortified foods. You see, our natural diet had ample B12, either from bacteria in dirt, or in animal products. If you grow your own vegetables, and eat the skin (or otherwise get some of that beneficial, earthy bacteria into you) you SHOULD be fine. The problem is, nowadays, vegetables are washed, irradiated, and/or cleansed and packaged to within an inch of their nutritional value. That's a modern problem. (If you ever get a chance to watch a documentary entitled 'The Dirt Vaccine', do it. Aside from just the fascinating premise, you'll see evidence of a correlation between a society starting to consume primarily washed, very "clean" vegetables and a remarkable rise in autoimmune disorders. It's a smilar premise as to why children raised with pet dogs have fewer autoimmune disorders than those with no pets. In short, evidence seems to suggest the more non-lethal bacteria we're exposed to, the stronger our immune systems.) I believe the nut milks are usually fortified with B12.



I never used to like tofu, and now I really like it. Still, I only eat tofu maybe once or twice a month.



New vegans often rely too heavily on packaged, processed foods, such as those awful fake meat products. They're okay, once in a while, like a piece of cake is okay once in a while. But fake meats, and processed food in general, are not part of a healthy, vegan diet. Ideally, the bulk of your det should be made-up of whole foods. ...Foods that look pretty much the same way they grow, when you buy them.



Let's see... If you are buying processed foods, common, non-vegan ingredients are gelatin, casein (and milk, of course), lard (of course), cochineal (crushed bugs used for colouring), egg, lecithin (where the source is not specified as plant-based)... You can look-up non-vegan ingredients, on the Internet.



Any animal product is not vegan. Silk is not vegan. Wool is not vegan. Honey is not vegan.



Most dark chocolate is vegan. Just check for soy lecithin and no milk.



Actually, that brings up a common complaint from new vegans. If you insist on buying processed foods, rather than cooking from scratch, you will probably spend 50% of your time (or 100% more time) at the grocery store, reading labels. That, alone, will probably be enlightening, and inspire dietary change.



In any event, I cook MANY of my mom's tried and true recipes, by simply replacing the animal products with an alternative, or eliminating them entirely. If you like, you can use texturized vegetable protein in place of ground beef in rice and pasta dishes. Milk can be replaced with almond/soy/rice milk. Butter can be replaced with vegan margarine/spread. Just about every vegan seems to have a package of Ener-G egg replacer in their pantries, for baking.



All my local grocery stores have increasing variety of vegan processed foods...which is great, I suppose. I like to remind people that pretty much the entire produce section of the store is, and always has been, vegan.



As for junk food...



These should generally be off the menu, if you're trying to get fitter or lose weight but... There are loads of vegan treats available. Coke is vegan. Doritos 'Sweet Chili Heat' tortilla chips are vegan. There are vegan marshmallows, chocolates, candies, potato chips, etc. I have no love affair with PETA, but they do have a list of snack foods that are vegan. Do a search for "accidentally vegan".



As for supplements, here's the skinny...



The overwhelming majority of supplements are made for, and consumed by, non-vegans. Most supplements are not vegan, as they typically contain some form of animal product, even if it's just the gelatin capsule. I take a vegan cinnamon supplement for my insulin resistance, not because I'm vegan.



But, a good multi-vitamin might provide peace of mind, just as it does for meat eaters and vegetarians. I think any dietician would emphasize a balanced and complete diet, above all, so there's no need to supplement. I don't take any nutrition-related supplements.



I have purchased products with confidence from VeganEssentials.com and veganchic.com. Of course, loads of things are vegan, without trying. There are lists of fast food restaurants and the corresponding vegan eats they have available. Pizza dough is usually vegan, as is the sauce. Just order it with loads of vegetables and no cheese, and you don't have to skip pizza night. There's a lot of information out there. Just search the Internet, when a question pops into your head.



As I was writing all this, I realized I have EASILY a dozen unread vegan cookbooks. People keep giving them to me as gifts, not knowing that I hate cookbooks for some reason. I really love my food, and when I want to try something new, I just try to devise my own recipe. While I should really crack them open and try some of the recipes, I am kind of a picky eater, in the sense that there are several foods I don't like. For instance, I'm not a fan of eggplant/aubergine, zucchini/courgette, or mushrooms. Yet just tell a chef you're vegan, and you're getting a dish made-up of those things, almost guaranteed.



As for the ham sandwich dream...



My advice is generally not to label yourself. It's nobody else's business why you're choosing the foods you do. Sure, I'm here saying, "I'm vegan." But, in real life, it rarely comes up. When I get a salad at a restaurant, and ask for it without cheese or without a cream sauce, many servers have assumed I'm lactose intolerant. What do I care? They don't actually care, either. I am comfortable getting what I want in most areas of life...in a good way. But since I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone with my veganism, I don't bring it up. My husband, a meat-eater, is more likely to discuss it with others, and I'm the one changing the subject. I can't say I've met a long-time, successful vegan who doesn't view the choice as deeply personal and virtually impossible to impose on others, in any meaningful or lasting way.



So, I think I'd say that if you're just eating a vegan diet, and only doing it for health reasons, then maybe animal products aren't unethical for you. As such, if you're really craving a ham sandwich (or whatever) you should just do it. There is no vegan police. In fact, no one in an industrialized country is 100% vegan. If someone is judging you for only being 97% vegan and he/she is 98% vegan, that's obviously ridiculous. Unless you go around announcing you're vegan, anyone who judges you for what you're eating is just a jerk. If you know, in advance, you plan to continue using or consuming animal products from time to time, you might not want to tell people you're vegan. In fact, if you only plan to have a vegan diet, you should specify that. Others might be understandably confused by someone calling himself vegan, and wearing leather shoes.



I usually advise new vegans to simply choose non-animal-product meals and products whenever they choose, without labeling themselves. If it's just for this meal/product, just for today, for a month, a year, or the intent is the rest of their lives, it really does not require a label. The label is a good shortcut, for why you want something a certain way. But, over the years, I've learned it's best for me to simply get what I want because I have that right. For those who want to occasionally consume animal products, not labeling oneself allows that freedom, without others' judgement. Since I occasionally eat something vegetarian, even I would refer to myself as "mostly vegan".



Again, that's way too much information. But I hope it hels you get started. :)
 
Originally Posted by Ponson





It has been about twenty years since I took that course in anthropology, so my time scale was off a bit, but I get it. What I remember was the studies done in the early 20th century up to about 1970 on the few remaining hunter gatherer cultures remaining, like the !ko-san of the Kalahari, (inaccurately portrayed in the movie "The Gods Must be Crazy") the Yanoumami of the Amazon and the Maory of New Guinea. These people hunted, and a group of San hunters would come back empty handed most of the time, but never went hungry. The women rarely failed to gather enough mongongo nuts and roots to keep every one fed. Bringing down a giraffe once a year was a big deal.




Ponson,


Anyone who reads English can immediately determine you're a smartypants...in the best way. :)


I was really just giving my usual rant, not really addressing what you wrote. But thanks for clarifying. :) :) :)
 
I am horrible at updating things but here is an update. I am closing in on the 60 days. I have done rather well with a couple hickups . I ate meat one meal and cheese one other meal, other than that I have ate all plant based products. it has been a great experience so far. I started out at 310lbs and am happt to say I weighed in this morning at 277. I cant wait to see what comes of this trip and ill get some photos up soon.
 
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