So you want steriods? Read this.

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R.Lewis

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This Is from another fitness website. This text is from a girls who has a boyfriend on roids. Anyone who is thinking of taking them should read this 1st.

"I'm 19 years old and my boyfriend is 22. He is in the fitness business. He has used steroids in the past and I believe he is on them now. First of all, he lied to me and never told me he took them when the subject would be brought up and I would ask him if he had ever taken them. But now, I find out he has taken them. He has claimed he has taken 6 cycles of whatever. In his cabinet of vitamins, I found some pink pills and was like "what is this" and he was like, "oh it's Androstene" or something that was legal basically. So, once again he lied.

One night at my house, he totally blew up and ripped his shirt off and then told me about the 6 cycles he has taken and that's why he was such a big mother fu––er then. He totally freaked in front of my parents and other company and, needless to say, embarrassed the sh–– out of me. Then later on, he said he hadn't taken that many cycles, he just told me that to "hurt me." I have seen some sealed syringes and a tiny bottle of something. The night he blew up at my house, he told me he was going to start working out hard again, and if it didn't happen like he wanted it to, he would talk to me if he wanted to start back on them.

Last night, while over at his place, he totally blew a damn fuse. OOOH MY GOD, I have seen him out of line, but not like this...it scared the living sh–– out of me. He tore the whole place to hell and knocked the sh–– out of a door and totally beat it to pieces, with blood on his knuckles. He came towards me so angry, never touched me, but forced me to keep on backing up with his body and pointing his finger in my face and shaking his fist at me where I was on the bed terrified. He told me to "get the **** out of my life" and "to leave" and told me he hated my ass and called me a bitch and said our relationship was over numerous times. He was pissed over a guy I was involved with when I was 16, yet I have only known him and been in a relationship with him for a little over a year. He has got issues and is taking them out on me...that's his way to vent his "roid rage." I guess he is on them. I don't know if he is. He threw a fit and I have never in my life seen anyone as angry and in such rage as what I experienced last nite. I need ADVICE MAJORLY about steroids. He knows a hell of a lot about them and it fascinates him, and I know nothing about them.

I am obviously in a verbally abusive relationship and looks like it could be heading into a very violent relationship because his fits get worse and worse each time. And by the way, this is the guy who the day before and for the past several months says that I'm the girl he's gonna marry. I can't marry someone abusive. Look, I'm not like some whore...I have only dated a few people in my life and he was my first, if you know what I mean. I have never done anything bad in my life. I have a loving family and have never been in an abusive household, so this is very new to me. I have given this guy my heart and soul and all that I have and I love him sooo much and this steroid sh–– is ruining him and me and our relationship together. I HATE STEROIDS. I am afraid he is gonna kill somebody or me.

I need some help for real to know more about the rages and things like that...but I hear that when you have a roid rage, most of the time you don't remember what you did or how you got that broken hand or how that door is torn to hell, is this true? When we talk about steroids, sometimes he tries to convince me they are "OK" and that they improve his mood. In everyone else, steroids make them crazy, but they calm his mood down, so he says. My whole family loves him to death, but now they are afraid for me. I am completely torn over this because I can't live without him, but I can't live with him in fear of when he's gonna snap. Please help me with some answers because I'm afraid of him"

I hope thats helped some of you guys to stay away.
 
All I'll say, is steroids can be used effectively by some people, without all these nasty roid rages.
but you've gotta make sure you know EXACTLY wtf you are doing, and that the gear you got is what its supposed to be. Since they're illegal, you get em 'black market' style, and it could be good stuff, or it could be horse tranquilizers, or just sugar pills.
 
malkore said:
All I'll say, is steroids can be used effectively by some people, without all these nasty roid rages.
but you've gotta make sure you know EXACTLY wtf you are doing, and that the gear you got is what its supposed to be. Since they're illegal, you get em 'black market' style, and it could be good stuff, or it could be horse tranquilizers, or just sugar pills.
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You can prevent most of the visible effects on the body like gyno and impotence (neanderthal like jaw and out of proportion traps you cant do much about). but there are also hidden sideeffects that are very serious like enlarged heart and maybe most of all the psychological effects; its not exactly rare that a person when he goes of a cycle gets into a depression and blows his brains out with a 12 gauge, or beats up his loved ones. It ****s with your mind and that should be enough reason not to take it.
The human hormonsystem is a finely trimmed very advanced and balanced system and most selfproclaimed expert have little idea what they're speaking of, there is no "safe dosage".
Belive it or not but there is actually a reason why doctors are extremely careful when prescribing steroids..

For every IFBB-pro there is 10000 powerboard shrimps with ****ed-up psyche and besides 9/10 people who use steroids are losers anyway who arnt getting any results worth nemtioning and certainly nothing that you cant reach clean.

my 2c
 
manofkent said:
LV - really. Thats somehting I didnt know. U got and text on this?
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Here is one of many.....I also know MANY who use AAS and have for years who all claim that "roid rage" is a complete myth and they have never experianced it.




The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study.

Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S.

Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

"Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology."
 
Disagree

I completely understand where your coming from. I too was in a relationship with someone that did the same exact things your talking about, and was very fortunate in leaving him.

I disagree with LV 100%! Its like saying that all humans have the same reaction to medications that are take..Thats BS. Everyones body reacts differently under different medications and on that point steroids as well. l

I watched the visible change in him and I was with him for 5 years...So i know what he was like before the cycle and how he was during and after.

Men who takes steriods and have a negative affect on them dont realize at the time how mean and violent they can be...Even scary. Ive lived it and i dont need a Dr or a researcher to tell me other wise.l

I agree in some cases this isn't the case but theres always another side.
 
So you have 20people on steroids during 10weeks, knowing they were under survailance and noone beat up their wife, big surprise.
ps. I dont know about dosages but isnt 600mg a week much lower than whats used, Ive heard "5g is safe" is supose to be some rule of thumb lmao.

A man who were training on my prior gym was a competing bodybuilder in the 80s and we spoke about what his friends from that time were doing today and some of them were doing just fine, had families and work etc. but many were either dead or drugaddicts today. Quite sad.

AAS does have positive effect Im not denying that; you get stronger and more muscular primarily. But it does also have negative effects and basically everyone have to decide for themselves if the negative or positive is bigger.
Each to his own, if someone wants to use steroids fine go ahead. But what does make me angry is when the assholes selling this are telling kids that its safe to use "just inject this **** aswell and you'll be just fine".
 
manofkent said:
Thanks man. I guess my thread was pretty pointless. Oh well... at least I learned something.
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Not pointless at all bro.

This is why we have forums because some people just don't agree on certain topics. Nothing AT ALL wrong with that as it is perfectly normal in life. We are all entitled to our own opinion whether they be wrong or right.

If everyone agreed on everything, this would be one boring world to live in.
 
~LV~ said:
Not pointless at all bro.

This is why we have forums because some people just don't agree on certain topics. Nothing AT ALL wrong with that as it is perfectly normal in life. We are all entitled to our own opinion whether they be wrong or right.

If everyone agreed on everything, this would be one boring world to live in.
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yeah plus i love arguing ;)
 
Markus Leon said:
AAS does have positive effect Im not denying that; you get stronger and more muscular primarily. But it does also have negative effects and basically everyone have to decide for themselves if the negative or positive is bigger. Each to his own, if someone wants to use steroids fine go ahead. But what does make me angry is when the assholes selling this are telling kids that its safe to use "just inject this **** aswell and you'll be just fine".
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Have you ever looked at the side effects of a prescription drug to help with depression anexiety, etc...? There is more bad than good.

My point is, AAS is no different than lets say Xanax. Steroids are drugs and have side effects but just like Xanax, if taken properly, can be safe however I would never promote the use of AAS or Xanax for that matter.
 
~LV~ said:
Have you ever looked at the side effects of a prescription drug to help with depression anexiety, etc...? There is more bad than good.

My point is, AAS is no different than lets say Xanax. Steroids are drugs and have side effects but just like Xanax, if taken properly, can be safe however I would never promote the use of AAS or Xanax for that matter.
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Yes and I think anti depresants is prescribed way to much and there are quite nasty sideffects to aspirin aswell if you read about it. But that doesnt make AAS any less potentially dangerous, injecting hormones is a very different thing from increasing dopamin production for example. Then you can get into discussions about whats more dangerous smoking or AAS but whats the point in that, personally I avoid both.
That you can take it safe is just not true, it have sideeffects - some that you wont notice with bare eyes and that you cant do anything about. Under medical supervision you can decrease the harmful effects but there is no way to exclude them.

As I wrote in my prior post everyone have to decide for themselves if its worth it and yea sure for some the use did bring something positive with it.
Take Arnold for example, the clearest example of a person who have gotten a lot of good because of steroids. He has become the most celebrated bodybuilder of all time, one of the biggest moviestars ever, the govenor of California and married himself into the Kennedy family (and has probably had sex with more 10s than all the guys on this board combined ;) ) If he hadnt taken steroids he would be living in switzerland hearding sheep or something today so for him it was a great decision since he didnt get so severe sideffects either; had heart surgery few years back(by himself admittedly because of his steroid use) but thats it afaik.
 
spicy&hot said:
I completely understand where your coming from. I too was in a relationship with someone that did the same exact things your talking about, and was very fortunate in leaving him.

I disagree with LV 100%! Its like saying that all humans have the same reaction to medications that are take..Thats BS. Everyones body reacts differently under different medications and on that point steroids as well. l

I watched the visible change in him and I was with him for 5 years...So i know what he was like before the cycle and how he was during and after.

Men who takes steriods and have a negative affect on them dont realize at the time how mean and violent they can be...Even scary. Ive lived it and i dont need a Dr or a researcher to tell me other wise.l

I agree in some cases this isn't the case but theres always another side.
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That's on the MAN! I don't know why that girl said she hates steroids, when she knows who controls his body, and his decisions.. HIM. Guys have hormones, yes. Some more than others (artificial or natural) which makes us horny, so if we go getting with other girls would you be mad at the roids, or understand because we have a natty high test level???? Nope, because you know it was our decision. And it was his decision to flip out, every time.
 
Markus Leon said:
That you can take it safe is just not true, it have sideeffects - some that you wont notice with bare eyes and that you cant do anything about. Under medical supervision you can decrease the harmful effects but there is no way to exclude them.
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I honestly agree with much of what you are saying.

The one thing that I do not agree on is the fact that if you take steriods you WILL have side effects and something WILL happen to you as you basically stated above. That's like saying, again, if you take Xanax, Zoloft, or any other drug for that matter, something will happen to you. This is not the case if taken properly.
 
~LV~ said:
I honestly agree with much of what you are saying.

The one thing that I do not agree on is the fact that if you take steriods you WILL have side effects and something WILL happen to you as you basically stated above. That's like saying, again, if you take Xanax, Zoloft, or any other drug for that matter, something will happen to you. This is not the case if taken properly.
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I'm in no way an expert and the effects on the body is so complex that since none of us in a trained endokrinolog the discussion will stay at kindergarden level pretty much. But anyway one thing I do know is that your heart will get enlarged and there's nothing you can do about it. Steroids will make the muscles grow and the heartmuscle beats constanty and so it will grow aswell; called "oxheart" it can become three times its original size and this will effect the body. Its no way of knowing how many beats the heart would have managed untouched so you cant say how many years you loose exactly.
 
without his roids he wouldnt have been able to smash the doors though..

And hasnt there been some talk about roids ****ing up your mood? making you agressive and stuff like that?
if thats a myth then please excuse me, im not up to date on roids.
 
Karky said:
without his roids he wouldnt have been able to smash the doors though..

And hasnt there been some talk about roids ****ing up your mood? making you agressive and stuff like that?
if thats a myth then please excuse me, im not up to date on roids.
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How do you come to that conclusion, with enough adrenaline flowing girls are lifting cars and such.. And who's to say he went from a zero to a hero.. AAS will make you more aggressive if you're already not in control of your mood. Example: If you flip on people, then ask yourself why did I do that. Obviously you shouldn't want help (AAS), these are the cases you hear about, people who weren't okay from the start.
 
the first part was more of a joke, sorry.
and i dont think any people would want "help" as you call it. Most people can flipp out and then ask themselves "why" later. people get pissed.
 
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