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I started going to the gym about 4 months ago and was even thiner then what i am in those pictures :eek: before these pictures i was all skin and bone but now i at least have some definition in some muscles but there still not big :mad: any way you will see lots of progress pictures of me along my way of getting big haha:cool:
 

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Hi man

What are you doing about bulking? Are you still stuck on 60kg?
 
yeah :( been 60 kg the whole time...i went on the scales just then and it goes up a little depending if i just ate :11doh: my body has totally changed tho from my eyes but the scales have stayed the same
 
are these 3 pics taken at the same time?

and I know you are trying to bulk, but have you run that body any? how old are you?

It's funny- I can bulk easy and pump up muscle fast, but lean fast performing muscle take work for me.

you may be the opposite

my point- have you tried doing what your body is naturally built for? Run, jump, play. Do an internet lookup for me, just enterttain me. "Parkour" David Belle. The "way." here let me get a link.... BRB
 
OK, here ya go. I played this game and this became a way of life that has shown me tremendous things in my life. My resume of extreme athletics is long.

just a thought for you lil bro.
 
I made this post the other day in the fat loss thread. Take what it says in the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE EQUATION to weight gain. If you have questions, I'll be back in a bit............I have to Chillout on the Cycle for 40m, and then perform FreeForm #15..............ROCK ON BROTHA!


As I have always said, in the past, the body will tell you when your are and are not doing things correctly. Same in this case. There is never in my opinion, a bad bodily response when we are talking along these types of details. You body is telling you something, youngman, and its telling you, you are doing the wrong things, and WANTS a change to produce the results you want and/or seek. All you have to do is provide the stimulation.

The ultimate fat burner is the appropriate deficit diet, young man, and optimized and complimented with appropriate training/excercise routine on a regular basis.

A deficit diet, in itself, without any scheduled excercise program can also make one lose weight. What does this tell us? That the DIET is absolutely the Boss and everything encircles the diet, and one will lose tissue, if they are healthy and have no organ issues or other medical conditions that would or could hamper progress.

With this said, I first want to state that not feeding yourself, IS NOT a wise idea, nor the answer to your problem in weight loss. In your specific case, being inconistant instead of consistant is your problem (with what I know thus far).

This is what you need to do:

This an approxomation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.

Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, hgt, and wgt, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs).

Armed with this knowledge, next figure in your approximated activity calorie expenditure (training/exercising, etc), and add this on top of the approximated base calorie need. This will give you the approximated maintenance level (or like a approximated break-even point in the caloric equation)

Apply this knowledge by backing off the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a -500c per day, for about 1 week. Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes). Note the time, and the approximated wgt.

Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT-500c). This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you alread know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy (not optimal because your in deficit) to fuel your training and exercising schedule.

At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean). To further assist you, I want to tell you that for every approximated caloric deficit of (-3500c), one could lose 1lb of fat tissue. (though some may not all be fat tissue, this information is for another question, and isnt presently suited here).

Now, in this example you were calculating a -500c per day deficit. There needs to be -3500c to lose approximated 1lbs of fat. Now lets do some basic math. -500cX7=-3500c. With all things considered equal, and you were meticulous and faithful on the diet, you should have been CLOSE to losing at least one pound of tissue in the week.

If this didnt happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own........based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, AND ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didnt, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how acurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin makeing adjustments.

One can not spot reduce. Losing fat is like draining a pool. The shallow end seems to drain before the larger deeper end. One can't choose where to lose fat; it will be lost all over the body.

The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ulitmate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.

Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results. While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.

Best regards as always,

Chillen
 
One can appy an opposite effect toward gaining weight with this approach as well within the 24 hour cycle--when reading take in a opposite sort of way (remember this was written, by me with fat loss in mind---it is generalized, but I can be more specific)

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The CycleBack and CycleForward 24 hour Diet Cycle Technique, by Chillen (comparable to a zig-zag day, but not quite)

One has to learn the value of calorie manipulation around the laws of calorie balance

When I was talking earlier about learning your MT line and backing off an appropriate amount of calories, and eating there, the counsumption period is within.......a 24 hour cycle period.

However, one can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.

For example, say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM, on the 8th day, you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), technically your over your limit at that time, but lets say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an excercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit instead of a balance.

I call this Cycle Back. The 24 hour clock can be anytime adjusted to your daily routine. This cycle back can assist with craving yearnings without the guilt of thinking your over eating. It feeds you and your mentality at the same time. One just has to adjust the next day as a consequence, but its something in place to assist with hunger when needed and assist the body in not adjusting to you.

Within the Cycle Back, you can also decide to leave the surplus, of say +300 or so, to allow the body to think it ate too much, and then just stay in the same 24 cycle as before (which is good to to with long term dieters---once in a while)

I use the cycle back most of the time to give the appearance of extra calories, to provide more energy--at the time for weight training, but in the end of things........the next day, it cancels out and I bring a deficit through excercise.

There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Lets use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock.

This is the tougher side of the equation, though, but this can used to assist cravings, but at the same time, you have to space out the meals a bit more intelligently, as you consumed some of the calories prior to the clock starting, but still counting in the same clock, so there is a consequence.

Both of these cycle types I constantly used when I lost my weight, and it worked for me and there is no doubt about it.

When I was on my quest to lose primarily fat wgt, I constantly manipulated my 24 hour diet clock cycle around my caloric content, 95% of the time I was in deficit, and this works. These are just two techniques I used as an example. I have other techniques.

I mainly wrote this short spot for the others viewing (and to show one way of MANY ways I use to adjust calories to stave off hunger, and prevent my body from getting adjusted), but once you provide your age and other information, you will have one of the other forum members provide information on the forumulas used to determine caloric needs (Like the benedict formula, and other types).

If you are in your teens, you have to remember your entire body has special needs that are independant of a mature adult. This in itself, can cause problems, may change caloric and nutrient approach techniques, and if your starving yourself............DONT DO THIS!
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Well i eat 4500-6000 calories a day:eek: been doing this since i started and its like all clean. i get offerd tons of junk but i always refuse...its like i cant help but refuse:) i don't really have the same attraction to junk food as i used to have. Ever since eating this much and doing all this working out 3-4 times a week Monday Wensday Friday and maybe one of the weekend days. i do like 15 mins of cardio a week because my metabolism is already insane:mad: I eat so much food and don't go up in even fat or muscle or anything!!! I have not experienced hunger for such a long time yet i am still like a pasty white Ethiopian kid :yelrotflmao: i always drain my muscles at the gym and the last rep i do my arms are always shaking like crazy. i just don't understand how such a skinny body can burn all this food away and where the **** is it going :confused: I am 2 months from 17 am 6.2 ft tall and vary from 59-61 kg
 
Well i eat 4500-6000 calories a day:eek: been doing this since i started and its like all clean.

I'm not sure if you're calculating correctly. Are you actually counting the kcals on paper to see if you're accurately tracking? I find most people over-estimate and under-estimate pretty greatly on how much they think they're eating.

Post up your food intake.
 
I only know this and say between 4500-6000 calories because i eat 5-6 HUGE meals a day!!! and 2-3 protien shakes which are 800 cals each with full cream milk between meals...trust me i am eating a **** load:drooling1:
 
I have been told some one like me should just be eating anything they can get there hands on and never go hungry because it will all help and that i shouldent worry about that perfect intake because i ain't trying to look all lean and shredded...just trying to add any mass i can and if there is anything added it is muscle :rolleyes:
 
if you eat 4500-6000cals a day and not gaining weight theres something wrong with your metabolism or something, because thats alot of food for someone at 60kg.. What i find helps is to make some shakes or something, i find shakes doesnt make me as full as a normal meal would, thus i can eat more cals ;)
Heres what i do. 0.5L milk, 20g almonds 50g sunflower seeds, one banana and 50g icecream (yeah its not healthy, but it makes the shake ticker and alot better, pluss its cals, when you have a real hard time gaining weight, eating some "bad foods" might not be such a bad idea)
that shake i think should be about 700-800cals, unless i forgot something.
Remember, fat contains alot of cals, so nuts, stuff like almonds and such are high in cals, and the fat is good for you too! ;)
 
dude that must be one of the fastest metabolisms in the west if you cant gain with 5000 cals!!! you would have a hard time surviving if there was a nationwide famon! lol
keep up the good work man. what i like to do is mix some milk in with peanut butter, since 2tbs has around 200 calories; if you can mix that in a blender, it should be an easy way to get calories in. try eating a couple more meals. if you arent eating right before bed, DO IT!!!
 
if you eat 4500-6000cals a day and not gaining weight theres something wrong with your metabolism or something, because thats alot of food for someone at 60kg.. What i find helps is to make some shakes or something, i find shakes doesnt make me as full as a normal meal would, thus i can eat more cals ;)
Heres what i do. 0.5L milk, 20g almonds 50g sunflower seeds, one banana and 50g icecream (yeah its not healthy, but it makes the shake ticker and alot better, pluss its cals, when you have a real hard time gaining weight, eating some "bad foods" might not be such a bad idea)
that shake i think should be about 700-800cals, unless i forgot something.
Remember, fat contains alot of cals, so nuts, stuff like almonds and such are high in cals, and the fat is good for you too! ;)

Yeah one of my shakes with 500ml of full cream milk 800 calories itself. its a weight gain one mixed with carbs and protien. sucks ass to at the moment because there is a sick fruit market right next to my gym where we always get our fruit but bananas have been like a buck fifty for one:eek: have to wait till they go down :mad: and only fruit i have is like 2 apples and a orange at the moment per day
 
dude that must be one of the fastest metabolisms in the west if you cant gain with 5000 cals!!! you would have a hard time surviving if there was a nationwide famon! lol
keep up the good work man. what i like to do is mix some milk in with peanut butter, since 2tbs has around 200 calories; if you can mix that in a blender, it should be an easy way to get calories in. try eating a couple more meals. if you arent eating right before bed, DO IT!!!

And yeah i always have a shake with milk before bed because milk takes longer to digest so it stays with me all night :)
 
Are those protein shakes passing straight through you by any chance?
I hate to ask such questions but are you passing solid stools?
I still believe that you're either counting calories incorrectly or you have a medical problem because that level of calorie intake over 4 months is gonna cause huge weight gain on a guy as light as you.
 
passing solid stools??? and yeah i am pretty sure these shakes are chunk...when i mix it with 500mil of milk...imagine your drinking melted ice cream...but twice that lol
 
If it's solid then you're probably OK, I just asked in case you were having trouble digesting your food causing your lack of weight gain.
 
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