Setting a Bad Example UK

1000Monkeys

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Nevermind highly processed foods devoid of real nutrition and full of hidden sugars and salts and laden with empty calories; nevermind kids sent to school with lunch money for take-out rather than a balanced packed lunch; nevermind the proliferation of fatty, greasy, fast food restaurants that make it difficult to find anything healthy to eat when you're out and about; nevermind all of that - the real reason kids and young adults are becoming obese: People like me giving them a bad example.

At least that's what the below article claims. When they see fat people it makes them think it's okay to be fat, when of course we all know that being fat is absolutely the worst thing in the world. :icon_bs:

Anyway here's the link and the story. Long story short - obese people like myself and are causing other people to become obese and we need to stop making excuses and shape up because we're a disgrace.




Overweight people need to face up to reality to conquer obesity and live healthily, the Tories have said.

Shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley said it was time to "take away the excuses" so that overweight people started exercising and eating more fruit and vegetables.

Launching plans for a "Responsibility Deal" on public health between business and Government, the Tories said it was important to be positive about the "fun and benefits" to be had through healthy living.

In a speech entitled 'No nannying, no excuses', Mr Lansley will say: "Tell people that biology and the environment causes obesity and they are offered the one thing we have to avoid: an excuse.

"As it is, people who see more fat people around them may themselves be more likely to gain weight. Young people who think many of their friends binge-drink are likely to do so themselves.

"Girls who think their peers engage in early sex are more likely to do so themselves. Peer pressure and social norms are powerful influences on behaviour and they are classic excuses.

"Our need, and not just in relation to public health issues, is to act on the environment, while fostering positive peer pressure and social norms. We have to take away the excuses."

The speech at think-tank Reform will mark the launch of a new working group - headed by Unilever chairman Dave Lewis - to consider various public health proposals.

The Tories said they would focus on delivering an improved diet rather than a "narrow focus based on a fear of junk foods". The promotion of "traffic light" labelling would stop under a Conservative government.

The working group will also be asked to consider direct local business involvement in campaigns to promote exercise, community sport and healthy lifestyles.
 
I don't think that people see other people who are fat and that makes it ok to be fat... However, when you arent the 'fattest person in the room' it's a little easier to deal with being fat.. ya know that whole there but for the grace of god go i or something...

People are always looking for excuses/reasons/justifications why they can or can't do something - I'm going thru that myself right now on a different topic - it's an easy way out... And with regards to weight -the media is always willing to aid and abed people- What'd I read recently that air conditioning causes people to be fat... Or your friends cause you to be fat...

Every time I read comments from people about how restaurants need to post nutrition information and how the government should force the restaurants into doing this I want to scream - what about a person taking responsibility for their actions... I don't want to live in a nanny state...

I'm honestly not sure how this obesity epidemic should be fixed... other than education... Nutrition isn't overly complicated... no matter what the diet of the week book reports..

A recent news report in Chicago said that people who are employed by the city and are obese, will be charged a health insurance surcharge because of the health risks involved wiht being obese... While money tends to be a great motivator for people... I do take issue with that tactic becausae when I was almost 400 lbs -other than slightly higher than normal blood pressure -my cholesterol was fine, my blood sugar was fine - I had no health issues - people half my size couldn't say the same - so if I were a city worker I'd be pretty pissed off at being singled out for my weight and not for health conditions..
 
I agree with everything you've said. Especially that the answer most probably lies in education. It's true that a lot of us make excuses (God knows I did for a long time), but there are a lot who simply don't know any better and nutritional education would benefit them greatly. I think to simply say that they are making excuses and they should just stop is a gross and unfair simplification and then to say that seeing other obese people makes them think that it's okay is a just low blow as far as I'm concerned.

It's this sort of attitude that stopped me from losing weight for a long time. No excuse here, but I can be a stubborn mofo sometimes and a lot of the media representation on the obesity 'epidemic' over here has often bordered on the freakshow side of it. A kind of 'roll up, roll up, look at these people, look at what they've done to themselves' mentality that always made me think well stuff 'em, I'm not going to lose weight just because they make me feel bad about how I look to strangers who don't even know me.

It took me a while to get over that attitude and to realise that it's my health that's important and to be able to do the things that I want to do that I can't because of my weight. In the end it became a practical thing - you need to lose weight in order to be able to do this, this, and this.

It still bothers me sometimes to see stuff like that because, as I said, my first reaction is usually 'screw you, I'll do what I want'!
 
Back when the dinosaurs walked the earth - ya know when phones were rotary dials, the internet didn't exist, and television was limited to 5 channels that if you wanted a remote to change them you had children and said Mal, get up and change the channel...

I remember learning about the food pyramid as a kid... and what we were supposed to be eating - but I don't recall ever being told what a portion size is... I've said this a bunch around here -I got to almost 400lbs eating 'good food' - I havea great hatred for fast food, fried food, casual dining restaurants, heavily sauced foods, etc... If you looked in my fridge 2 1/2 years ago -there'd be fresh meats, cheese, vegetables and fruits.. Whole wheat pasta in the cupboard... for all appearances, i'm not an uneducated person -but the whole concept of portion sizes really never occured to me... While i knew what was healthy to eat and had no problem with that -I didn't get the concept of portion sizes..

The US is plagued with women's magazines at the checkout stand of the grocery store- every week there's a new and improved "diet" - eat this and lose 62.5 lbs in one week - every diet is exceedingly low calorie - I can't live on 1200 calories a day -I failed on every diet I was ever on because I was always hungry... Teaching people about reasonable calories - and ditching the diet and going for lifestyle changes is the only way people will be successful long term.

Although you'll have the conspiracy theorists say that the diet industry is a multi billion dollar industry - if people suddenly get educated and start slimming down and they teach their children and obesity is eliminated - then there goes a huge industry...
 
Exactly. I can kind of ignore the diet industry though, it's just kind of white noise in the background, I know it's just about the money and the turnover. What gets my goat is the exploitational lifestyle pieces!

I joined Weight Watchers because I needed the discipline of being weighed by somebody else every week, but I do the Core plan on it. It's not rocket science, it's not counting points, I had the thing down before the end of the first week I started, and what's the big revelation? Portion control. Now I think that I used to be fairly well educated about food (just chose to ignore that education), but you're right portion control was the thing that I hadn't taken into account that made all of the rest of the pieces slide into place.

So I think a little food and nutrition education, a little information on portion control, basically the stuff that's on the nutrition boards here would benefit people greatly but I would also like to see a reverse in this trend of villifying obese people in the media.
 
Weird that you would say that!

Before I started eating healthy I used to joke that I was a triple threat to the country.

As a binge drinking, obese, smoker there wasn't a day that went by that there wasn't some sort of programme on the TV or radio that was saying that I was going to ruin the country in health costs and I was the reason the economy/healthcare system/morals of the nation etc were going to hell in a handbasket!
 
When I lived in the UK one of the most common complaints I heard about the obese was how much money they'd cost the NHS over the long run. I'm not surprised to hear this from the Tories.

The UK is much more of a nanny state than the US is anyway, so people there do wring their hands a lot over what other people do.
 
Agree with you, mal. What occurs to me is as long as someone can put things on external forces, it continues to give them an excuse to stay the same while they are 'waiting for the world to change'. That's a lot of life to lose since I'm fairly convinced the world isn't go to budge all that much so why no control what you actually can: education, your body(putting health conditions aside), how you present yourself, lifestyle, who your friends are(and aren't:reddevil:), etc.

I'm saying this as someone who spent the better part of a decade blaming my weight woes on this occurence or that and there was always tomorrow. I knew better too.

One thing I learned is that when you are responsible for yourself, you have an awful lot of control and power over a lot of things that directly effect your life--weight being only one of those.

I want to use that off rant smilie, but I'm not angry. :coolgleamA:
 
That's so rediculous...
Yeah, greasy food and computers and no exercise doesnt matter...
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The only thing I CAN SEE in this point of view is when kids learn EATING HABITS from their parents that don't eat healthily. As far as seeing random people and thinking oh well it's okay, is so farfetched.
HEY what about the fact that....BAD FOOD TASTES GOOD. hahah !!!
 
When I lived in the UK one of the most common complaints I heard about the obese was how much money they'd cost the NHS over the long run. I'm not surprised to hear this from the Tories.

The UK is much more of a nanny state than the US is anyway, so people there do wring their hands a lot over what other people do.

That's the great thing about living in Ireland. We have just as much hand wringing as the Brits, but our government lacks the gumption to actually do anything about it! We'd be a nanny state too if they could be bothered :D
 
That's the great thing about living in Ireland. We have just as much hand wringing as the Brits, but our government lacks the gumption to actually do anything about it! We'd be a nanny state too if they could be bothered :D

Guess you guys don't have ASBOs in Ireland yet then. :hat:
 
Guess you guys don't have ASBOs in Ireland yet then. :hat:

Do you know I don't know! I thought not and I've never heard of one over here but wikipedia says we do, and who am I to argue with that faceless fountain of wisdom?!

Anyway, if you ever do go back to England and want to avoid fat people they have happily compiled a list of the fattest and slimmest cities/towns for you so you don't have to see anything unseemly or worry about catching the obesity.




A 'fat map' of the UK reveals the country's obesity hotspots

[T]he Shetlands, parts of Wales and Barnsley have the most overweight people, with 10-15% of the population being obese.

The 'slimmest' places in the UK are parts of London, and Brighton.

The London borough of Camden has the slimmest people in the country, with just 3.9% of people overweight. Richmond, Wandsworth and Kensington also have a low number of overweight people.

The UK's obesity hotspots remain concentrated in the North East and East and West Midlands, but new evidence shows that the problem is spreading into areas of the South for the first time.

Obesity levels are increasing in Cornwall, Devon, Kent, East Sussex, London and the Isle of Wight.

The report follows the publication of the Government's National Obesity Strategy, which states that if obesity isn't properly dealt with, we may face a national crisis creating an annual heath bill of £50billion By 2010, there could be as many as 12 million obese adults in the UK.

Here are the top twenty 'fattest' places in the UK:

1. Shetland 2. Torfaen 3. Blaenau Gwent 4. Neath 5. Caerphilly 6. Rhondda 7. Barnsley 8. Wrexham 9. North Lincolnshire 10. Merthyr Tydfil 11. Denbighshire 12. Doncaster 13. Carmarthenshire 14. Stoke-On-Trent 15. Wolverhampton City 16. Anglesey 17. Blackpool 18. Knowsley 19. Newport 20. Northumberland Care Trust

And here are the top twenty 'slimmest' places:

1. Camden 2. Richmond & Twickenham 3. Wandsworth 4. Kensington & Chelsea 5. Westminster 6. Hammersmith & Fulham 7. Brighton & Hove 8. Surrey 9. Kingston 10. Tower Hamlets 11.Lambeth 12. Bristol 13. Bath & North East Somerset 14. Lothian 15. Buckinghamshire 16. Barnet 17. Islington 18. West Hertfordshire 19. Bromley 20. West Sussex
 
Do you know I don't know! I thought not and I've never heard of one over here but wikipedia says we do, and who am I to argue with that faceless fountain of wisdom?!

Anyway, if you ever do go back to England and want to avoid fat people they have happily compiled a list of the fattest and slimmest cities/towns for you so you don't have to see anything unseemly or worry about catching the obesity.

Why would I want to avoid fat people? I'm one of them, can't avoid myself!
 
Why would I want to avoid fat people? I'm one of them, can't avoid myself!

I meant that in relation to the original article where they say that one of the reasons people are obese is because they see obese people and think it's okay! Then the next day they have a map of where the most obese people are so people can avoid them!

Next step segregation I guess.
 
there was some sort of report in chicago that was done recently - and it was all about the disparity of weight in the north side vs the south side -the south side of chicago being less affluent than the north side... The south side of chicago has a lot more 'working poor' than the north side does (not that northsiders are all rich, and Obama does have a million dollar plus mansion on the south side) but looking at choices of food on the north side vs the south side - grocery stores are more plentiful on the north side because they do better... the south side has far fewer healthier options.. and fast food and bodegas with not all that great choices are the norm.

i don't think that enclaves of fat people are because people see other fat people- it's more because they just dont know any better and dont have the choices - financially and locationally to make better choices...

Not that I'm making excuses for people but it's what the report was stating
 
See that's a reasoned and well thought out socio-economic explanation of the phenomenon. I don't know how people can sometimes jump to such absurd conclusions!
 
which absurd conclusion? that people see fat people and think it's ok - or that obesity is caused by environment and lack of availability of better choices...
 
which absurd conclusion? that people see fat people and think it's ok - or that obesity is caused by environment and lack of availability of better choices...

That people think that people see fat people and think it's ok. It's a pretty bizarre conclusion to me. More obvious are the type of reasons that there may be a large proportion of a given population who are obese that you gave above.
 
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