Plateaus, Starvation Mode..I just don't get it.

LowFatMilk

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I've been through different threads in the forum and I'm becoming genuinely more confused about Plateaus and Starvation Mode.

Up until this point, I've thought starvation mode worked like this : You decline your calories super low. You burn *weight, but your metabolism slows way down. For someone who is obese, your body will eventually start burning the excess fat, but for someone who has a lean body it would start burning muscle??????? And then eventually you gain it all back when you start eating properly.


Plateaus I've understood as the point at which your body adjusts its self to your current caloric intake, and exercise routine, and you stop losing weight unless you change something in your diet, or exercise routine.

Now, if I'm correct in my thinking about plateus, is it possible to avoid the plateu by having a lot of diversity in day to day eating, and exercising?

Like I said, I've been through other threads, but the more I do, I feel more confused about it. Can someone dumb it down for me to help me understand better? I don't understand all the complicated talk!
 
I've been through different threads in the forum and I'm becoming genuinely more confused about Plateaus and Starvation Mode.

Up until this point, I've thought starvation mode worked like this : You decline your calories super low. You burn *weight, but your metabolism slows way down. For someone who is obese, your body will eventually start burning the excess fat, but for someone who has a lean body it would start burning muscle??????? And then eventually you gain it all back when you start eating properly.


Plateaus I've understood as the point at which your body adjusts its self to your current caloric intake, and exercise routine, and you stop losing weight unless you change something in your diet, or exercise routine.

Now, if I'm correct in my thinking about plateus, is it possible to avoid the plateu by having a lot of diversity in day to day eating, and exercising?

Like I said, I've been through other threads, but the more I do, I feel more confused about it. Can someone dumb it down for me to help me understand better? I don't understand all the complicated talk!

ive been very fortunate and havent really hit a plateau yet... knock on wood.

Theres been times where i havent lost weight. but it wasnt a mystery... i didnt eat like i was supposed to, or lagged on some work outs. just a mythical creature as far as im concerned ;)
 
It sounds like you understand it better than you think.

Plateaus can be avoided if you stay on top of your BMR usually. I would also probably add that this isn't one size fits all. People's bodies have different things going on all the time... carb sensitivities, they can be IR... hell, some people just don't respond well to different foods when dieting.

So you have the general idea, but people around here tend to cry wolf when it comes to a plateau because the scale isn't moving the way they want it to (guilty of it myself). You should understand that a plateau can be caused by starvation mode as well, your body isn't giving up weight or inches because you aren't giving it enough... so they are linked in a way.
 
I've been through different threads in the forum and I'm becoming genuinely more confused about Plateaus and Starvation Mode.

They go hand in hand in many cases.

The starvation response (or mode, which I don't like) works in a way to slow down your metabolism. Its not a mode... rather it's a continual readjustment of the body to reverse the effects of prolonged dieting.

So a plateau can stem from the starvation response. Your metabolism can adjust downward via the starvation response that leads to a plateau... hence the hand in hand comment from above.

However, not all plateaus are products of the starvation response, so they are not one in the same.

Up until this point, I've thought starvation mode worked like this : You decline your calories super low.

No.

The starvation response happens with big caloric restrictions as well as small caloric restrictions.

You burn *weight, but your metabolism slows way down.

It does gradually over time.

The metabolic slowdown happens with any diet. There are two primary mechanisms behind the slowdown:

1. The loss of body mass, which accounts for the majority of the drop. People forget about this but it's a biggy.

2. An adaptive mechanism related to drops in various hormones and nervous system adaptations

For someone who is obese, your body will eventually start burning the excess fat,

Obese people don't have to worry so much about metabolic slowdowns. They have much more room to wiggle, so to speak. If they find that they're plateaued, it's more likely stemming from something besides metabolic 'distruption.'

A huge regulatory signal that keeps your body out of "The Horrid Starvation Mode" is body fat. If you're fat, your body knows it for the most part and the adaptations we speak of from above are not something to be concerned with at the time.

However, if you're 500 lbs and you drop to 350... sure, starvation mode isn't something you need to concern yourself with but you still have to adjust your caloric intake to account for the giant loss in body mass.

Follow me?

but for someone who has a lean body it would start burning muscle???????

That's one possible outcome.

A lean individual's metabolism can downregulate to an extent that what should be a caloric deficit, isn't, hence stalling weight loss.

It can reduce performance, lead to illness, etc, etc.

Namely, our bodies don't want to be lean. That goes against every natural inclination it has to survive as a species.

And then eventually you gain it all back when you start eating properly.

Hmmm...

More like you'll gain it back when you increase your caloric intake, which is probably what you meant.

People think The Starvation Mode means you put on weight/fat eating little calories. That's not it. What was once a deficit does not turn into a surplus. What was once a deficit can become so minuscule that weight loss comes to a crawl or even plateaus. But you don't gain the weight back unless you start eating in a surplus.

Granted, a surplus will be easier to enter since your metabolism is downregulated, but the fact remains that a surplus is necessary.

In addition, I'll note that your metabolism will adjust upward in the overfed state as you gain body mass back as well as offset some of the hormonal disruptions associated from the previous deficit.

Plateaus I've understood as the point at which your body adjusts its self to your current caloric intake, and exercise routine, and you stop losing weight unless you change something in your diet, or exercise routine.

Hopefully by now from what I stated above, you understand how plateaus can be associated with The Starvation Mode.

As you note here, plateaus can also come from different things such as the lack of adjustment to compensate for the loss in body weight, poor measurement methods, lack of consistency, etc, etc.

Now, if I'm correct in my thinking about plateus, is it possible to avoid the plateu by having a lot of diversity in day to day eating, and exercising?

A straight deficit coupled with appropriate exercise is where you start. Ride that out for as long as it takes you. For most, this will take them to a normal body weight. For some it will take them to their goals.

At that point where you want to go beyond average and go into the lean territory, the implementation of such protocols such as carb/calorie cycling, refeeds, etc may be necessary.

Exercise usually doesn't play a major factor in a plateau.

Like I said, I've been through other threads, but the more I do, I feel more confused about it. Can someone dumb it down for me to help me understand better? I don't understand all the complicated talk!

I'm responding as I read through this and just got to this part. I'm not sure if this was dumbed down or not. If you want clarification on anything I stated, just ask. :)
 
I'll add that what I said above doesn't apply 'equally' to all. For instance, women tend to experience metabolic slowdowns much faster than do men. As DP said, it depends on a lot of things... but this is the gist of the topic.
 
Steve that was really informative and easy to follow :) Was a bit confused abt the dreaded starvation mode/response and this had cleared up a few questions i had too! Thanx! :D
 
I think I got it now, except for the carb/calorie cycling, refeeds. I don't think they'll concern me any time soon, but I saw it going on in another thread and I couldn't really grasp the conditions of it.

But thank you for your inputs, this is valuable information for me.
 
I think I got it now, except for the carb/calorie cycling, refeeds.

Carb or calorie cycling are pretty much the same thing. It's alternating caloric intake by manipulating your carb ingestion. So on training days you might eat high carbs to facilitate the training and post workout window. On off days, you might eat low carbs, which in turns means less calories on days you expend less. Sort of intuitive in a way.

Here's a good article on it written by a friend of mine:



Do some searching here on this forum with regards to refeeds, particularly under my name. I just talked about this in another thread. If you have specific questions, let them rip.

I don't think they'll concern me any time soon,

Most here don't need to concern themselves with this stuff. Unless it's simply out of curiosity. Learning is always good.

My take on all this stuff: It's useful for a select few. Don't muddy the waters with advanced dieting or training tactics though until you have to. All the fancy stuff sounds special and magic, lol... I've been there. When I was younger I always went right for the advanced protocols. Little did I know at the time but that stuff is completely suboptimal for people it's not intended for.

but I saw it going on in another thread and I couldn't really grasp the conditions of it.

Well don't be afraid to ask questions. That's what this forum is all about. If anything is unclear just ask.

But thank you for your inputs, this is valuable information for me.

You're welcome.
 
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