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I've being working out for a couple years now and have been really working on my strenght lately because of my up coming rugby season.

After some searching on the web, for some new ideas to keep my workouts fresh and so my gains still increase, I was wondering if performing standing overhead press would be better for strength than the seated dumbell press I have been doing for shoulders.

They are supposedly better for the entire upper body and for the core, so could someone tell my if their worth doing or if it is a waste of time.

And if anyone has any other compound exercises that are good for strength in sports like rugby I would like to hear them.

Thx:beerchug:
 
IMO if you're looking for strength to carry over easier into rugby look into oly lifting and dinosaur training.
 
What Mreik said!

Relating to your question though, you are correct that standing is indeed much better than sitting, especially for the sport you are training for.
 
Phate89 said:
Military press is much harder than push press, since you can't bend your knees and use momentum to push it up.
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I slightly disagree with the MP being harder than the PP. Sure you use momentum to get the bar up, but momentum is certainly not getting the bar locked out. The weight you're using on the push press is much more than the military press, so getting it locked out requires a lot of upper body strength and then there's the handling and controlling the weight back to your shoulders.
 
I think phate meant harder as in "can't lift as much weight" not necissarily harder as in harder on the body, cns, etc.
 
Push press and military press are two distinct exercises with distinct forms. I don't think it's a good idea to encourage "cheating" on a mil press to get to a push press because any overhead lift, especially a powerlift like the push press that can be hazardous if you're not doing it right. Besides, cheating on a standing mil press doesn't automatically segway into a push press. I've witnessed plently of small cheats like calf raises to start the lift and foward/backward motion at the hips in order to complete the lift, conducted separate from each other and not as part of a unified push press form.

All that being said, if you're training for rugby, leg strength should probably be a pretty big focus, making the push press, and its family of power training exercises, a good start. You should also look into plyometrics while you're at it... ExRx.net Power Training Exercises: Olympic Syle Weightlifts and Plyometrics.

And find yourself some spotters for your lifts, especially any power/olympic style overhead lift.

As for the military press, a standing press works on more of your stabilizing muscles (especially the core/hip stabilizers), so it is a compound exercise that works a greater number of muscles than a seated mil press. Just be aware of your own body and if you feel any instabilities that are causing you to cheat, lighten the weight so that you can do the lift correctly.
 
I don't think spotters are required for oly lifts, and oh lifting. If **** goes wrong, it usually ends up really, really wrong, and theres's nothing a spotter could have done to prevent it. OH press isn't very dangerous...you just drop the weight if you can't handle it.
 
Spotting for push press is very doable... two bodies on either side with hands under the weight to prevent a complete fall... used to do it daily when training for football and ice hockey... as for most of the rest of the olys... yeah, I agree not spotting those.
 
is a push press an oly move? I thought just snatch and clean variations were.. I'd also include the jerk. I guess you could include push press as a jerk variation though..
 
well then there was no disagreement here then. Carry on.. unless we want to discuss meaning of life stuff, of course :D
 
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