Oh no! Too much food!

Steve

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Alright, I'm just thinking out loud here.....

It seems to be a trend where you've got 250+ lb people eating 1000-1200 calories per day. At least that's what they say they're eating.

Let me first say, before I get to my thought, if you are carrying a lot of extra fat and you just started dieting at 1000-1200 calories per day.... you will lose weight. If you aren't:

1. You are lying to yourself and us when you say you are eating this much food, or...

2. Something is medically wrong with you.

Back to where I was going.

Here is a typical discussion and it really does baffle me:

Person: I'm 275 lb currently eating 1200 calories per day.

Me: Your cals seem a bit low for someone of your stature.

Person: No way, I'm not hungry at all. I'm actually full throughout the day.

Me: Right, but that doesn't mean you aren't making your body behave as if it were starving. Someone of your stature should be eating at least 1800 calories, if not more. 2000+ would be closer to right.

Person: That can't be right... that seems like way too much food.

So why am I baffled?

Assuming there is nothing going on medically (which is most often the case), how did you get to 275 lbs? I promise you didn't get there eating 1200 calories per day. Understand this is directed towards the individual who is relatively new to dieting.

If you've been eating 1200 calories for a long enough time, losing weight or not, I can understand how you could be full on 1200.

However, if you're accustomed to eating the amount of food required to get to and maintain a 275 lb frame.... why on Earth are you suggesting that 1200 calories is enough to 'fill you up?'

One possible answer I guess is while they are working on controlling calories, concurrently they are changing the foods they eat. These new 'clean' foods are more filling and keep them feeling satisfied longer. But still, is it really that simple?

I know there are tons of stickies warning against starvation dieting. However, a lot of new members don't read all the stickies. Rightfully so I guess.... it's a big endeavor. And they aren't accustomed to the people who are 'stickied' so why should they believe or listen to them?

That said, it seems like there is a huge flux of new people starting journals and highlighting nothing short of their starvation-dieting programs. I really don't mind repeating myself over and over again as long as they listen. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't understand how their starvation calorie levels seems like 'a lot' of food to them.

Another thought:

Maybe they were simply binging before and never really paid attention to their intakes. They certainly didn't eat on a regimented schedule. Due to these circumstances, they didn't realize how much they were actually eating. Once they start dieting, maybe they bump up the number of meals and eat on a schedule, every few hours, and this fills them up with a lot less food compared to what they were doing before they started losing weight.

Alright, I told you I was merely thinking out loud here. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
 
Just my two cents...

I think for the most part, people choose to eat 1200 calories or so, because it seems to be a "magical number" that's all over the damn internet. Unfortunately, a lot of people wanting to lose weight don't feel the need to do much research (I personally prefer professional books/ articles over internet, since there's so much bullshit out there.). It seems a lot of people believe a weight loss program is the same for everyone.

Hell, when I first started dieting (ummm 5 years ago) I did the same damn thing. "Yah... I'll go and eat 1200 calories and exercise an hour everyday." Mind you, I was 225lbs back then and I should have been eating a HELL of a lot more. I must have cut back ~1600 calories overnight by doing so. Sure... for the first few weeks I felt like I was "full," but let's be realisitic.... psychologically I was forcing myself to feel full. Needless to say, I gave up because I started to binge like mad.

For the most part, people are going to do what they think is right. You can talk to them until you're blue in the face, but if they don't want to listen.. then that's all them. I wish I would have found this site a long time ago, because if anything, it's really made learning about weight loss, exercise, etc so much easier.

-Sheryl
 
Thanks for commenting Sheryl.

So you believe that it's more psychological? It being the fact that many people seem to feel 'full' even though they're eating drastically less than they were a few weeks prior.
 
Very interesting topic Steve, thanks for mentioning it. I totally agree with what you're saying and I would just like to say:
If you are eating less calories than you are suppose to you will:

1) Lower your metabolism

2) Because you body will consider itself in starvation mode, it will hold tightly on to fat and instead it will use muscle as energy. Decreasing actual weight loss. Instead loss of muscle and water will likely occur.

3) Increase binge cravings.

4) Lose a few or nothing of Real Body Fat.

5) The change of caloric intake does much to the brain, you will likely get headaches, stomach ache, feel light-headed, easily annoyed and distracted, as well as become more tired and fatigued.

6) Plus more.

I found this article, Could be Helpful:
 
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Very interesting topic Steve, thanks for mentioning it. I totally agree with what you're saying and I would just like to say:
If you are eating less calories than you are suppose to you will:

1) Lower your metabolism

2) Because you body will consider itself in starvation mode, it will hold tightly on to fat and instead it will use muscle as energy. Decreasing actual weight loss. Instead loss of muscle and water will likely occur.

3) Increase binge cravings.

4) Lose a few or nothing of Real Body Fat.

5) The change of caloric intake does much to the brain, you will likely get headaches, stomach ache, feel light-headed, easily annoyed and distracted, as well as become more tired and fatigued.

6) Plus more.

Yea, the reasons why starvation dieting isn't the answer has been pounded away on this forum. With this thread, I'm more interested in the specific reasons why people say eating more than 1200 calories, as an example, seems unfathomable.
 
I think, for me at least, it's entirely psychological. I mean, all of the credible texts I've read (written by credible people), either online or in books, say you have to eat in order to lose weight. Alas, people who have serious food issues, people who are trying to overcome those food issues, do something silly like try to eat at 1200 calories per day. And then they see results. And then they become incredibly fearful of eating more because they're terrified they'll gain back the weight they've lost. This is how it is for me anyway, but I'm working on overcoming this. Logically I realize that a person who is working out as much as I am should be consuming more than 1200-1600 calories, but there's this nagging, illogical and sort of logical fear of weight gain that continues to creep up and whisper little nasties in my ear.

In addition, I think bingers who are trying to overcome their impulses are afraid of eating too much because large consumption of food (even healthy food)can be equated with binging, at least in the binger's head.

Then you have people who are losing 4-5 pounds a week on a 1200 calorie diet and they simply don't want to hear what you're saying about plateauing and the need to use food for fuel. I think there's surely some aspect of denial that comes into play in their minds.

Or maybe I'm just speaking for myself.
 
I really do. (Okay... this is me speaking from experience.) You're trying your damndest to get on track: exercise, eat "healthier," shop for groceries differently. Your tummy starts too rumble and you think to yourself, "That's just part of losing weight. Resist if you want to fit in those size 10 jeans!" (If you don't get into those jeans, you'll be one big, depressed mess.) You go to the fridge and chew on celery sticks, so you don't binge. "MmMmm I love celery sticks. I'm so healthy." (Bah... the crap you think when you're starving.) When it comes time to eat meals, you cut your portions big time and think to yourself, "15-20 seconds worth of chewing per bite" and "According to blah blah blah magazine it says to eat with my non dominant hand, so I'll eat slower." Bah! Psychological issues abound.

-Sheryl
 
I think, for me at least, it's entirely psychological. I mean, all of the credible texts I've read (written by credible people), either online or in books, say you have to eat in order to lose weight. Alas, people who have serious food issues, people who are trying to overcome those food issues, do something silly like try to eat at 1200 calories per day. And then they see results. And then they become incredibly fearful of eating more because they're terrified they'll gain back the weight they've lost. This is how it is for me anyway, but I'm working on overcoming this. Logically I realize that a person who is working out as much as I am should be consuming more than 1200-1600 calories, but there's this nagging, illogical and sort of logical fear of weight gain that continues to creep up and whisper little nasties in my ear.

In addition, I think bingers who are trying to overcome their impulses are afraid of eating too much because large consumption of food (even healthy food)can be equated with binging, at least in the binger's head.

Then you have people who are losing 4-5 pounds a week on a 1200 calorie diet and they simply don't want to hear what you're saying about plateauing and the need to use food for fuel. I think there's surely some aspect of denial that comes into play in their minds.

Or maybe I'm just speaking for myself.

What you say makes a lot of sense and I'm sure it applies to a lot of people.
 
I really do. (Okay... this is me speaking from experience.) You're trying your damndest to get on track: exercise, eat "healthier," shop for groceries differently. Your tummy starts too rumble and you think to yourself, "That's just part of losing weight. Resist if you want to fit in those size 10 jeans!" (If you don't get into those jeans, you'll be one big, depressed mess.) You go to the fridge and chew on celery sticks, so you don't binge. "MmMmm I love celery sticks. I'm so healthy." (Bah... the crap you think when you're starving.) When it comes time to eat meals, you cut your portions big time and think to yourself, "15-20 seconds worth of chewing per bite" and "According to blah blah blah magazine it says to eat with my non dominant hand, so I'll eat slower." Bah! Psychological issues abound.

-Sheryl

From experience, I agree with you. The mind is the biggest obstacle when it comes to changing lifestyle habits. Especially when you're dealing with someone who has been big most of their lives.

It's just that... it seems when some of these people say anything above 1200 cals will 'feel' like too much food, they are sincere. It still baffles me. To go from eating 3000+ to 1200 seems like it would trigger all kinds of hunger pangs. I know, personally, for me, it would!
 
I know for myself, when I've been overeating for a while (usually for me I max out at 3 days), I just get really really full and bloated. I just dont feel like eating for a little while. I feel hunger but no appetite. I'm not that overweight so after a few days of eating really low I get very hungry and my appetite kicks in again. If I'm not careful, it kicks in too crazy and I have a mini binge.

In other some cases it seems people are saying they're full when they're really not, just to defend their silly diet. The more you respond in a common sense manner the more they will ask questions that ignore what you just said. Some people think the only way to eat is via extremes. Either binge out or overeat everyday so they're putting on 10 to 50 pounds a year or alternatively, eat practically nothing. They do not see food as a healthy nourishing fact of life that need not be viewed negatively or cause so much harm. Food can be friend or foe and its worth trying to make friends by eating enough and eating well, because the alternative is that the food will get the better of you.
 
It's just that... it seems when some of these people say anything above 1200 cals will 'feel' like too much food, they are sincere. It still baffles me. To go from eating 3000+ to 1200 seems like it would trigger all kinds of hunger pangs. I know, personally, for me, it would!

Sincere? Or Insincere?
Because there are dishonest right? Weather its to themself, or to the people around them.
 
It's just that... it seems when some of these people say anything above 1200 cals will 'feel' like too much food, they are sincere. It still baffles me. To go from eating 3000+ to 1200 seems like it would trigger all kinds of hunger pangs. I know, personally, for me, it would!

Homeboy please.. my ass is starving if I don't eat at least 1900 cal. lol And I don't think these people are really being "sincere." If anything, I think they're in denial (like lungsfortherace commented) or they just aren't measuring their meals out and don't really KNOW how much they are consuming.

-OBT
 
Sincere? Or Insincere?
Because there are dishonest right? Weather its to themself, or to the people around them.

No. I'm saying they really seem sincere.

It seems like they are having trouble eating their current intake, be it 1200 or whatever.
 


Homeboy please.. my ass is starving if I don't eat at least 1900 cal. lol And I don't think these people are really being "sincere." If anything, I think they're in denial (like lungsfortherace commented) or they just aren't measuring their meals out and don't really KNOW how much they are consuming.

-OBT

Did you say ass?

Err, I mean....

Maybe they are just kidding themselves. I really don't think there is An Answer to this. I'm sure there are multiple factors that play into why. It's interesting to me though.
 
Food can be friend or foe and its worth trying to make friends by eating enough and eating well, because the alternative is that the food will get the better of you.

Damn that's some deep shite right there, mami. But yah... I hear you there, girl. I used to fear eating food.. hence that damn bullcrap Slim Fast. Double BAH to that!

-Sheryl
 
I forgot to mention something; it doesn't take long for a person's stomach to shrink and adapt to smaller intakes of food. I went from eating probably 2500-3000 calories to eating 1200, and my stomach had adapted within a matter of days, surely less than a week. I'm no longer consuming 1200 calories per day, I'm more around 1700-1800 now, which is actually proving to be difficult.(I'm working up to 2000-2200.) I'm vegan and eating pretty much only whole foods, with the exceptions of a few condiments and soy products. So, on a lot of days it feels like I never stop eating in my spare time. So, yeah, I believe some people are truly sincere when they say, "But I'm not hungry and I feel fine!"
 
I forgot to mention something; it doesn't take long for a person's stomach to shrink and adapt to smaller intakes of food. I went from eating probably 2500-3000 calories to eating 1200, and my stomach had adapted within a matter of days, surely less than a week. I'm no longer consuming 1200 calories per day, I'm more around 1700-1800 now, which is actually proving to be difficult.(I'm working up to 2000-2200.) I'm vegan and eating pretty much only whole foods, with the exceptions of a few condiments and soy products. So, on a lot of days it feels like I never stop eating in my spare time. So, yeah, I believe some people are truly sincere when they say, "But I'm not hungry and I feel fine!"

That's not so much a matter of stomachs shrinking.

It's more to do with hormonal shifts that control appetite. But it usually works the opposite way, initiating hunger signaling your body to eat and stop being stupid.
 


Homeboy please.. my ass is starving if I don't eat at least 1900 cal. lol And I don't think these people are really being "sincere." If anything, I think they're in denial (like lungsfortherace commented) or they just aren't measuring their meals out and don't really KNOW how much they are consuming.

-OBT

Denial as in lying to themself right, well, I belive (from what I've seen) is that not only are they not paying attention to what they are eating and eat more than 1200 cals but its that they don't even know it. They think, well some think, that they have eaten 1200 cals when in reality they would most likely pick food up and eat it unconsciously. And it seem at times as though they are in "denial" to others as well, only because they are unaware of their consumption.
 
Okay, well, thanks for the correction. Regardless, it doesn't take long for people's bodies to adapt to new routines or new food intakes. So I can totally understand how or why some people can honestly say, "I'm not hungry and I'm fine," when they're consuming half the calories they had been consuming.
 
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