Need advice please!

Lyoness

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Hi everyone! My sister-in-law sent me this link to an eating plan last night and I'd love to get the opinions of some of the forum members.

If anyone has time and could take a look, I'd really appreciate your thoughts.

Good? Bad? Revelatory? Mundane? Should I try it?

Here's the link:

Thanks lovelies! :)
 
Thumbs up for a clean eating plan! Eating clean is definitely the way to go. However, have you checked out marksdailyapple.com? Not only are the success stories on there SUPER inspiring but the primal/paleo diet makes a whole lot of sense. Ever since I've gone primal I haven't had any issues with my weight going up and down like I used to have in the past. :)
 
Personally, I don't really like 'structured' meal plans because they end up giving the wrong idea to the people who follow them. You don't need to cut any food groups, or to 'detox' or anything like that, that is simply (And I mean no disrespect to anyone) wrong.

What happens is that folks inevitably end up categorizing foods as 'good' or 'bad' and that leads to an unhealthy relationship with food in the end. So, instead of calories, which is what matters in the end, sugar becomes the enemy. Or carbs become the enemy. Or fat, processed foods, grains, 'acidic' foods, etc.

They also learned nothing, in the sense that they only know that eating X, Y and Z they lose weight, but if they go off the plan, they gain it back. They don't learn how to work 'outside' that plan, because they don't know how or why they actually lost weight.

I believe most folks would benefit most by either counting calories, learning to moderate their food intake, or by making healthier substitutions. They all can work and they educate you about food. If you spend 2 weeks counting calories, for example, you will have an idea of what a serving size looks like, and of how many calories the foods you usually eat have.

Things like volumetrics also work well, because they teach you how to moderate food intake without necessarily cutting anything out.

Again, I mean no disrespect to anybody, but in my opinion, approaches like that aren't appropriate or useful long term.
 
wanderlust17, thanks for the response! I really appreciate it.

I have had a look at the paleo/primal diet and to me this eating plan looks similar but less restrictive maybe (less restriction of 'healthy' grains etc). One of the main criticisms of paleo that I keep encountering is the exclusion of grains - I've heard some things that make me think that our paleo ancestors were probably eating wild grains - so maybe this is a good alternative?

AthalaRanger, thank you so much for your detailed response. I really appreciate you taking the time. I'm on board with the idea of counting calories for sure - one of the reasons this was interesting to me is they seem to be saying that you don't need to do that with their eating plan (which I admit would be a nice change).

The person who sent this my way (my sis in law) was pretty adamant that it was working for her, but she was drinking these teas as well which I think the diet is supposed to go with. I don't know - should she just be running a calorie deficit? will she gain it all back? Maybe this is a good way to kickstart some weightloss even if it's not sustainable? (And I'm still on the fence about its sustainability - a lot of people seem to be maintaining clean eating/ paleo type diets, and this seems like a less restrictive version of those if anything)

Athala, you seem to be a little anti detox ... Do you think it could ever have some merit? I was reading through some of their website yesterday and I found this ...not sure what to think about 'detoxes' now.

Anyway thanks for your responses both of you. Given me some food for thought. ;) I might try it for a few weeks and let everyone know how it goes. I'll keep you posted if I do :)
 
I'm really not against specific diets (within reason of course) that can be used to drop weight fast. I'm not even against very low calorie diets or even fasting. But I'd consider those tools and use them as such - use them temporarily, make sure you know what the implications are, and what you will do once they are over.

My issue with some diets or programs is that they usually make statements that are not true and never really teach you anything about weight loss, so you can never work outside of the 'system' those programs were built on.

From that link, statements number 1, 4 and 5 are point-less statements. You can not know or notice if you have less toxins on your body, or if you are more efficient creating energy.

Numbers 3, 6 and 7 can be said by most diets that are sensible. Most diet programs are better than the average diet and most (sensible) diets will result in improved health compared to the standard diet of an overweight person.

Number 2 is my main problem. They'll will blame toxins for weight gain, and tell you to cut them out. And then they'll give you a list of foods high in toxins. But most likely those foods will be high calorie foods that folks tend to overeat, and by cutting them out and replacing them with something else, you have instantly reduced the calories of what you ate - resulting on weight loss.

The point I'm trying to make is that while the program may work, they are of no use when the 'message' they give is false. Those don't work on the long term and leave folks with all sorts of wrong ideas.

Your sister IS running a caloric deficit by following that plan, because the foods in that plan are low in calories. But it isn't the 'detox' that is working, it is the lower calories.

It is perfectly possible to run a deficit without having to actually count the calories. One just needs to be smart about the food choices. That's why I mentioned things like volumetrics or making substitutions, those things can work, and without necessarily having to restrict anything.

Emphasizing on foods that are lower on calories (this is pretty much what volumetrics is all about), and being careful with calorie-dense foods can really help and it's actually a great way to run a deficit without having to directly count the calories.



There are really a lot of ways to do the same thing (running a calorie deficit). Some folks limit what they eat to a certain groups of food, or to a list of foods, some limit the amount of meals they eat a day, some folks do intermittent fasting and that helps them eat less, etc.

I should mention that you can do the same by also adding good habits too. Drink some water 15 min before eating, fill half of your plate with vegetables, make sure you get enough fiber, try to eat your calories instead of drinking them, if you're still hungry wait at least 20 min before eating again, have a non-caloric (don't add anything) drink with meals (tea, coffee). Those are all valid ways to help you lower the calories without having to count them. And all those are sustainable habits you can apply under most circumstances.

You can build your own plan based on a combination of those things and have success with it without having to go through different diets or eating plans.
 
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Athalaranger, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and give me such considered feedback. I'm super grateful! Thanks for the link as well.

I think I will try this eating plan for a few weeks, because it seems that whether or not the weightloss results from a supposed removal of toxins or from running a calorie deficit, I'm still likely to lose some weight for whatever reason and that makes it worth trying for me.

I'll seriously consider trying some of their tea as well - from reading up on it it looks like it has other benefits beyond 'detoxing' such as reducing cravings and helping digestion, healthy sleep, reduced bloating and so on, and as you said, adding tea to meals can be beneficial also - and most of us are on board with the benefits of green tea by now ;)

I agree with you completely about healthy habits. I think I'll very likely end up building my own plan for what works for me, and end up using my experience from trying this as one of many sources.

Thanks for taking the time to give me some feedback. Your generosity is very much appreciated. :)
 
All great points presented by Athalaranger :) I think the most important thing in weight loss is seeing what works best for your body. Last year I ran my first marathon and although I was logging a ton of miles each week, I was still a lot bigger than I am now. I figured out that certain carbs (grains in particular) don't function well with my body along with a lot of milk products. Ever since going primal/paleo I haven't had any problem keeping my weight stable and to be honest I keep losing. The problem with diets is exactly that....it's a diet which means it isn't permanent. For me, going primal has been a lifestyle change because I don't need bread or pasta and feel 100x better without it. Plus, I haven't had a sick day from work in a year which is just icing on the cake :). I just tweak my diet to what's best for my body...potatoes are a must for me. Anyway, I'm a huge supporter of clean eating and I think after testing it for a bit you will see how great you feel :).
 
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