my progress (bulking is depressing)

Hello everyone.

I started bulking about 6 months ago, and I am currently still following the 16 month "Scrawny to Brawny" program by John Berardi. In that time, I've gained some fat and some muscle. I track my weight, lean mass, and bf % with a scale that measures all 3...of course the numbers themselves are inaccurate, but they're consistant so the changes should be showing up correctly. I've gained about one pound of fat for every pound of muscle since I started measuring that statistic 3 months ago. I'm kind of disappointed by that; I think my diet is nearly perfect (although perhaps its strayed lately, in the last 2 months I haven't checked every calorie in FitDay, although I started again this week) I just eat too much for fear of not eating enough. And frankly that's fine with me, I'd rather err on the side of "too much" and get fat as opposed to not putting on mass. On workout days I take in around 5250 (sometimes more) calories.

I'm going to continue bulking without cutting until the 16 phases are over (at least), but it's getting quite depressing. I am doing this to improve my appearance and I actually look a lot worse each month on account of the fat gain! Below are the pictures I take every month, since August. You'll notice

-I missed November.
-They're extremely low res (my only camera is on my cell phone unfortunately, which is very poor quality)

I have a very hard time seeing a difference at all. In real life, most people say they notice a difference, but its very hard for me to see it in the pictures. I was hoping for some feedback. I do not flex in them because I'm trying to get bigger to improve my appearance, and I'm not walking around flexing all the time so while its kind of an ego boost it doesn't tell me what I want to know. I try to appear in them much like I usually do: normal posture, not sucking in the stomach, about midway through a breath.

So yeah, the appearance of that gut is painful to look at. My arms have definitely gotten bigger, but only an inch (11.25 unflexed -> 12.25 unflexed, midway on the bicep) in all that time. I've apparantly put on about 11 lbs. of muscle in these pictures, any guesses on where it all went? Probably the lower body, which is fairly well developed and may actually be getting "too large". It seems like the traps definitely got some muscle. As far as the little arms go, the Scrawny to Brawny program doesn't seem to develop anything but pure arm strength (no arm "size") until about the second half, which I am greatly looking forward to. For now its all 4x5 stuff.

Oh and a quick question: how much ab strength is "enough"? I can do 3x12 situps holding a 35 lb weight plate...is there any chance in hell that that gut has a six pack underneath it? I like to pretend maybe thats part of the reason its so huge :)
 
We have the same problem man...I think its better if you do some cardio.
My advice is...(from my own personal experience)
1.)Stay away from weight gainers supplements.
2.)Stay away from Super High Calorie diet unless you are genetically freak.:)
 

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Oops i forgot to say the picture on the left is before...on the right is my current after i tried that super high calorie diet and not doing cardio....
 
I think at least 3000+ calories is enough.U cant force your muscle to grow just by eating a lot.Well your gonna gain weight,but not muscle,"fat".Trust me I already try that.What kind of workout are u doing?Are u taking protein?
 
I think at least 3000+ calories is enough.U cant force your muscle to grow just by eating a lot.Well your gonna gain weight,but not muscle,"fat".Trust me I already try that.What kind of workout are u doing?Are u taking protein?

Hey ank. I saw your thread and man did it scare me. It seemed like you did everything right, just not perfectly, and apparently that was enough. That thread made an impression on me more than any other I've seen so far, and I still can't believe how unforgiving this can be even if it seems like you're not far off. But I think you and I are different; I've always been small and could lose weight easily. I overate in the most disgusting way possible for 5 years and only got up to 210 lbs, then got back to 165 lbs in a few months once I was determined to lose it. I also tried building muscle while eating around 2500-3000 and it didn't really work. The evidence suggests that I need to follow the "ridiculous amount of food" plan. It may look like I've gained too much fat, but actually I've since noticed something: picture 2 and 4 look the worst in this respect, but 1 and 3 look ok. In 2 and 4 I'm wearing the same shorts, sort of loose fitting with a belt. The other 2 are elastic bands. I've just checked this in a mirror I have here: the clothing actually does make a surprising difference. I think the actual gain isn't too bad.

My reason for posting this thread is the following: I believe this is pretty normal for a very long term episode of bulking, but I don't know because I haven't done it before. My feeling is that a 1:1 ratio isn't great, but it'll get me there. I was hoping more people would post, confirming or denying this. I was expecting either a lot of "yeah thats how it goes!" or "wow, you're doing this really really wrong!" replies. Instead, nearly no one has replied, I am kind of surprised! I've lurked in this community a while, and people always seem to have an opinion.

As far as my workout, it's the S2B workout basically. In the particular phase I'm in right now, they usually follow this pattern:

-Superset of 2 compound lifts, really heavy, 4x5 (strength work)
-Superset of 2 "medium intensity" lifts, heavy, 3x8-10 (strength/end)
-Superset of 2 definition/endurance lifts, moderate, 3x12

Whatever it may look like, I am certainly getting stronger. The strength work makes it easy to tell you're making progress all the time, since when things are really heavy you can try to go up 5 lbs a week as thats only a 2-3% increase. As far as food, the only problem might be too much substitution of ON 100% Whey for real protein sources. This is because I'm a student and move around a lot, and its hard to take protein foods that don't need to be reheated with you. I eat 5-6 times a day. For breakfast my major protein source is from eggs & egg whites, and for another 2 meals from chicken breast. The other 2 come from 60grams ON 100% whey, which is probably bad, but I'm not sure what to sub them with and maintain "portability". I tried beef jerky, but that is by far the most expensive food on the planet. There's no way I could economically sustain the jerky diet on the money I make.
 
Ok maybe u are right...Read the information about "truth about bulking" in T-nation.com.I think whey protein is good.
 
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