Max Load Training

Hey, this is a recent article I came across on T-nation. It goes on about how doing 10 explosive reps of a lighter weight will stimulate more growth and will have you using more 'power' than doing one rep with alot heavier weight.

I never knew about this, so i learned something new and just wanted to show you guys in case some of you didn't know either.

TESTOSTERONE NATION - Max Load Training in the Real World

And this gives me an idea, since I don't have the weights to do 8 heavy reps on deadlifts/squats. What if i tried doing EXPLOSIVE squats, where i go ass to calves as fast as i can?
 
It's never pretty when physicists try to talk about training..

Okay you do the reps faster and you produce more power, way to go, that's the whole idea behind speed training, but pretty much everyone knows you don't get far with speed training alone.

I don't really know what he's saying we should do with this information, should we drop all heavy training and do 10 reps set with low weight? If that really worked, warm up sets would make us huge and people who slack off in the gym would be bigger than those who worked. Now I agree that doing singles might not be best for size, but it is good for strenght.

And one more thing, if I jump up and down now 5 times as far as I can as quickly as I can, I've produced a ****load of power, but I won't grow worth a damn, and why is that? Because I haven't fatigued any of my motor units! You need to fatigue in order to grow or get stronger.

This has a strong sence of waterbury's latest thing, taking a weight and performing reps until speed slows down, then stop the set when the speed starts to slow, and continue until you've hit 30 total reps or something.

Has anyone in the world every actually tried ONLY lifting light and fast and gotten results? I don't think so..

Speed training is a very good thing, but it needs to be combined with heavy slow training aswell.
And how does how much power you produce corelate with how much you grow? Don't you need to fatigue your muscles and monitor units aswell as just producing a ****load of power?

I know about how you should lift fast and not use slow tempo, but the key is still fatigue. If he is saying what it sounds to me like he is saying, that I should lift fast and make an easy set out of it. Look at this real world scenario:
Person A and B, both can lift 220 for 10 reps.

Person A lifts 220 for 5 reps (because that's what he can do very fast)

Person B lifts 220 for 10 reps, he does each rep as fast as he possibly can. The last reps are slow, but the first 5 reps were still as fast as person A's. Now who got the most out of their workout? If we're persuming the goal was size (don't get speed training mixed into this)

I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts on this aswell.
 
Greetings,
You said (And this gives me an idea, since I don't have the weights to do 8 heavy reps on deadlifts/squats. What if i tried doing EXPLOSIVE squats, where i go ass to calves as fast as i can?)

I know you may get a different answer from other powerlifter. However, I can let you know what I have seen and how I train this. Again this is just me. Fast speed in the squats, take GREAT caution! If not, you can lose the form and have an unexpected injury! With speed in the squats, I look at it as, taking you car down the road at 65MPH and throwing it in reverse! I'm old school. I take in a lot of air through the noise, hold it, squeeze the bar, staying solid and control the weight throughout the range of motion! I'll be explaining things like this in future post! I know people who like using speed. I'm just not one of them in the squats. I'm not saying it's wrong, I am saying, you need to focus, and keep you form. Control the weight,using good form! Hope this helps. I'm just wanting you to take caution and lift safe. God Bless,
Franklin McQuaid
 
^^^^ I agree with mcquaid that training for speed in the squat requires caution and skill.

I believe that this type of training is very good and have used the "speed squat" extensively and with great success in my training.

I also agree with the article. That there are certain "windows" of a most effective training load that will get the best results.

The Time under Tension thing, or tempo training, using 4 seconds in the way down, 1 second at the bottom, and 4 seconds on the way up, is a great way not to train to ones potential. So I agree with the article in this respect as well.

When we do power testing with the Tendo unit, we use it to find ranges of weight where our power production is the highest. This is extremely useful from a performance standpoint as well as from a gaining size standpoint.

I can base much of my loading off of what I find with these power tests.

I think the author of the article is correct about people not understanding the difference between loading, and using "max weight" all the time. (As a rule, I rarely use "max weight" and have great success with increasing strength and power.)

I may also have more to say on the subject when it is not a holiday and I have more time.

Welcome mcquaid. :beerchug:
 
but G, it seems like the guy is saying to train with 10 reps explosive sets all the time. I mean, he's not just repeating the dynamic effort.
 
or is what he is saying to find the weight that gives you the highest power output when you have done as many reps as you can do? If that's what he's saying, it's all good! But if he's saying to stop short of fatigue and keep all the reps as fast as the first one, then I'm not buying yet..
 
What he is saying is that you are better off getting faster reps. For example. In the article he says.

Next, we learned that for this particular case the trainee would have been better off doing all of his sets somewhere between 225 and 325 pounds. Sets done in that rep range would have elicited a greater adaptive demand and response.

With this he is stating that the trainee would be better off (from a size standpoint) not going to a 1RM but training in the 225 - 325 range. Where the loading would be higher when multiple sets are done. It is higher load, not max weight that builds size.

For another example.

Say you are doing 10 reps.

If you work up to a 10 rep max, you will get 1 set of 10 where the quality of work is lower and fatigue is higher.

Now lets say you work up to 5% - 10% short of your 10 reps max. You can do many sets at this weight. If you have the goal or intent to move the weight fast you will increase the number of motor units recruited per set. Then you increase the number of motor units again by being able to do multiple sets.

So, if your 10 reps max is 225. In the first case you would work up and do 1 max set for 10 at 225lbs. A load of 2250lbs. (not counting power, since you will be moving the weight slow)

In the second instance you would be training with 90% of your 10RM, or 205lbs. (I rounded up 2.5lbs) First you will get multiple sets. Say we do 4 sets. The total load is 8100lbs for the exercise. You can see that we are already ahead of the game.

If the reps at 90% of the 10RM are done with the intention of speed (and as we all know, the faster we move the more motor units we recruit) So you would be adding the quality of higher power output on top of the 5850lb increase in load. The quality of your work is higher in 2 different ways.

With this in mind your results from a strength as well as a muscular growth standpoint will be better.

This method is different that the dynamic effort method. The dynamic effort method (traditionally done 8-12 sets of 2-3 reps) is more nervous system based. So the increase in size will not be the same.

Think of this method more of the repeated effort method, done in a manner where you increase the number of motor units being trained.

That being said, as stated in other posts, training in this manner is not for beginners, it is for trainees who have a good amount of training under their belt, very good technique, and the ability to understand the difference between training with speed, and training recklessly and out of control.
 
I agree with that! I just thought he meant to go easy, like if your 10 rm was 225, then take a lot off so you could do all the reps fast (like you would your warmup sets). If you. If you go for sevral sets at 205 you will still reach fatigue and it will be tough (due to the extra sets). I basically thought he meant to do 10 rep dynamic efforts :D :p
 
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