I really need help w/this 1...I have been struggling so long with (about abs/waist)

Hello Everyone. I have been struggling to slim down & tighten up for quite a while now. I eat superhealthy almost always & am doing cardio/weight training regularly. As most guys, I want to have rock hard abs that is lean, cut & defined. Different fitness trainers tell me different things about this & I would like to have someone finally set the record straight & point me in the right direction. I am not only looking to accomplish rock hard abs but I more importantly want to decrease the circumference/radius of my stomach, lower back, & waist overall. Now some people have told me to stay away from ab excersizes & do nothing but cardio to slim my waist/stomach 1st then once it's as slim as you want it to be then tighten it up with ab excersizes. They say that if I do ab excersizes, I will just turn my gut into a muscle gut & I don't want that. Others have told me that that is not true, that you need to do both. Can someone please help me get on the right track & tell me how I accomplish this goal? Thank you in advance.
 
abs are muscles. why would we not train them?

perhaps they were implying that you cant spot reduce by doing crunches and such, which is true
 
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