hey...new here and looking for people invloved with fasting..

[bigpaparn]

who me just a 40 w/m like everybody else here looking more that magic potion to be thin and has tried every diet since the dawn of man..just want to find some support..for sure beneficial in the past..
thanx.

 

[bigpaparn]

who me just a 40 w/m like everybody else here looking more that magic potion to be thin and has tried every diet since the dawn of man..just want to find some support..for sure beneficial in the past..
thanx.

the hell with fasting it sucks...after day three i was having homocidal ideations...back to low carb for me..

 

[wishes]

Fasting wont do anything for you at all sorry. You should educate yourself a little by reading the sticky threads

 

[KaraCooks]

Fasting is great for cleaning out all the toxins in your body

Sorry, but no.

Intermittent Fasting (IF) has been shown to have some health benefits, but "cleaning out toxins" is not one of them. Your body is fully equipped to detoxify itself w/out fasting or drinking juice or drinking lemon water or whatever the latest malarky fad is.

 

[KaraCooks]

Well, I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree. I've done quite a bit of studying on it. The facts are there and I know quite a few people who have and do detox with fasts.

I can say that based off personal research and not hearing stuff from other people, fasting can and does detox the body, when done correctly.

Can you show me anything other than anecdotal evidence that there is actually any "detox" going on?

Can you show me one single reputable, medical-based study that shows fasting removes toxins and telling me WHICH toxins are removed and in what quantities?

If you can, I'm more than happy to read them with an open mind and revise my stance on "detoxing". Until then, anecdotal evidence and a statement of "personal research" is simply not proof that "detoxing" happens.

 

[KaraCooks]

I'm not here to educate people on fasting. I'm here for personal reasons and for a support group while I change my life by eating better and becoming more active.

The proof and research is out there. I won't do the work for you. The internet is a great thing and you can easily find it if you do a little bit of work (hint: google.com is a great place to start).

Wow. Snide much?

If you're here to give advice, then you have an obligation to give reliable advice. Giving people personal anecdotes is pretty much useless.

And btw, I *have* done my research. Google is, in fact, my friend. And I cannot find a single RELIABLE, REPUTABLE source that says fasting will detox the body. I can, however, find many reliable and reputable sources that say detoxing is a myth and that the body is perfectly capable of detoxing on it's own.

And I'll refer you to this post where I listed some of my sources and studies:
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/weight-loss-programs/32209-detox-weight-loss-diet.html#post618755

Here's an article from the Mayo Clinic on cleanses. I'm sure you'll agree with me that the Mayo Clinic is a reputable source.
Colon cleansing: Is it helpful or harmful? - MayoClinic.com

While there is little scientific evidence to support or refute the benefits of colon cleansing, critics say it's generally unnecessary and at times may even be harmful. Although doctors prescribe colon cleansing as preparation for medical procedures such as colonoscopy, most don't recommend it for detoxification. Their reasoning is simple: The digestive system and bowel naturally eliminate waste material and bacteria — your body doesn't need enemas or special diets or pills to do this.

Here's another Mayo Clinic article on detoxing:
Detox diets: Do they offer any health benefits? - MayoClinic.com

There is no evidence, however, that detox diets actually remove toxins from the body. Most ingested toxins are efficiently and effectively removed by the kidneys and liver and excreted in urine and stool.

Here is a WebMD article. I'm sure you'll agree that WebMD is more than just "Internet knowledge" and that a doctor from Cedars-Sinai is a reputable source, right?
Detox Diets: Purging The Myths

But the science behind the detox theory is deeply flawed, says Peter Pressman, MD, an internal medicine specialist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The body already has multiple systems in place -- including the liver, kidneys, and gastrointestinal tract -- that do a perfectly good job of eliminating toxins from the body within hours of consumption.

"There's no evidence at all that any of these approaches augment the body's own mechanisms," Pressman tells WebMD.

Here's an MSNBC article that quotes reputable sources:
Experts warn of detox diet dangers - Chew On This- msnbc.com

“Long-term fasts lead to muscle breakdown and a shortage of many needed nutrients,” says Lona Sandon, a Dallas dietitian and spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. Depriving the body of the vitamins and minerals we get from food can "actually weaken the body’s ability to fight infections and inflammation,” she says.

Here's an article that quotes multiple medical professionals from the UK, denouncing detox and cleanse diets. Here are two of about a dozen comments:
Sense About Science | Detox press release

“‘Detox’ is a meaningless term that is used all the time. And because it hasn’t been defined, it’s impossible to say if it’s worked or if it hasn’t.”

“The body’s own detoxification systems are remarkably sophisticated and versatile. They have to be, as the natural environment that we evolved in is hostile. It is remarkable that people are prepared to risk seriously disrupting these systems with unproven ‘detox’ diets, which could well do more harm than good.”

I could continue citing reputable sources and articles for another 3 or 4 pages - I have many of them bookmarked because I've had this discussion before with people.

Now if you can show me equally reputable sources - MEDICAL sources - that quantify and define exactly what "toxins" are being purged and how it is beneficial and can cite studies to back it up, then I'll be happy to read them with an open mind. But as of right now, no such study has ever been performed and no one has ever quantified or defined what they mean by "toxin" other than as a phrase to scare people.

 

[KaraCooks]

I was 100% wrong on something I've SEEN work.

You've seen toxins removed from the body? Really? Truly?

Can you describe it please? Can you tell me what toxins were removed? And in what quantities? And how those toxins and the lack of them impacted the body?

Again, more than anecdotal evidence, please.

 

[trainerdude]

Hmmm...Fasting...heard this a lot from my clients..and it never worked out well. Truthfully you can lose more weight and eat better than any fast, so why bother?

Trainer Dave
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