Gaining weight/muscle

first off, I can't believe all the posts got deleted that sucks so much. This is an awsome forum and had some great info, some of which i intended on using! I found this site a month or so ago and read some very good posts, but at the time i was gonna be traveling so i didn't get to involved in it. so now, i'm back and ready to try to change myself and need a whole lot of help and advice in doing it.

when i first found this forum i found a post by some guy just like me. he couldnt gain weight and was skinny as hell. and jpfitness i think it was gave a whole lot of very good advice to him.

so its time for me to ask for all your help! i'm 21, male, 6' 1", and about 135 lbs. needless to say i am SKINNY. I look like im 16 and this just can not do! hehe. I do have some crappy habbits i eat a ton of junk food and drink more mountain dew then anyone i've ever met, but i do not smoke or drink. I don't excersize and i can be a little lazy at times. Im willing to totaly change my lifestyle. I do not want to be a bodybuilder or anything like that. I just want to gain some weight and muscle mass so that i look good and am at a decent weight for my height and look at least somewhat muscular.

ok, I also want you to know. I know next to nothing about weight training. so any in depth advice you can give when it comes to working out or sugest training routines would be greatly apreciated. I will have access to a gym and weights.

thanks for any and all advice, and be sure i'll probably have many more questions if people answer me. so beware, this newbie may ask some pretty dumb questions.


Newbie~
 
Alright Newbie, bring the questions on. I'm definetally not the best at these questions, being that I am kinda in the same predicament you are, but here goes. I asked a question simular to yours and they told me that I should take in lots of calories and PROTIEN. Work out in the jim 3 times a week( Monday, Wednsday, and Friday) and weekends off. Deffenitally stop on most of the junk food right now. If you want to be ripped, but not bulky, do light weaght, at lots of reps. For example, try doing 60% of your max 20-25 times. Then, when you can, do 30. I'd say do as many sets as you can without having to quiet through the set. Then, work up the endurance on it. That goes for everything. You can even do pushups after you do bench. But remember that you really need calories. I am also a distance runner so I would need more calories than you would. If you are running, it will make it alot harder to gain size. Oh, one more thing. With these kind of workouts make sure you always have a spotter. You would'nt want to get in a jam doing squats. I hope this helps..:)
 
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Thanks for the reply muscle man, some good info to start. I was doing some late nite web surfing and i also found this at the jpfitness forums posted by massive member.

WEIGHT GAIN 101
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- PART 1 -

This is for all Ectomorphs. Yea you. The thin, skinny, tall, flat chested, rapid metabolism, nervous, can’t sit still Ectomorph. You want to gain weight?

If you’re not gaining weight, you’re not eating enough. You need to determine how many calories you’re taking in. Weigh yourself on day 1 first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Keep track of all the calories you eat for 14 days. On day 15 weigh yourself again, if your weight has not changed by plus or minus 2 pounds this will work. Add up the calories for each day and divide by 14. The number you come out with is how many calories you need to eat each day to maintain your current bodyweight. Now to start gaining weight you need to add 300-500 calories to this number. Go 7 days then weigh yourself again. Slowly up the calories until you see an increase in weight.

Only try to gain 1-2 pounds a week. More than this on a consistent basis will lead to more increases in fat than muscle. Check your progress every 4 weeks with skinfold calipers and a cloth tape measure. If you’re desperately thin, a 10-pound increase consisting of 5 pounds of fat & 5 pounds of muscle is ok. A 2:1 ratio of muscle to fat would be ideal. Dont be afraid of increases in fat. As long as it’s not settling solely around your waist you’re ok.

There are 8 basic components of nutrition.

Calories – besides what was mentioned earlier, you should be eating at least 6 times a day every 2-3 hours. A rough example would be 7:00am, 10:00am, 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, and 10pm.

Protein – 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. popular choices are chicken, turkey, eggs, cottage cheese, yogurt, peanut butter, milk, whey, lean cuts of red meat, fish

Carbs – 2.5 to 3 grams per pound of bodyweight. popular choices are whole grain brown rice, sweet potatoes, veggies, beans, whole grain breads and cereals, yams.

Fats – 20-30% of total caloric intake. good fats can be found in meat, fish, canola and olive oil, nuts, seeds, legumes, and sesame and soybean oil.

Water – 1 gallon a day.

Fiber – 20-35 grams daily.

Vitamins & Minerals – this is easily covered with a daily multi-vitamin/mineral.

Specifics on these 8 items can be found on this forum by searching.


Supplements besides a multi-vitamin:

If you cant eat enough calories or meals you should consider using a weight gainer or high calorie MRP.

If you can’t eat enough protein you should consider using a protein powder.

After these 3 you can add creatine and glutamine if you desire and more vitamin C and E. Now don’t get your priorities out of whack. If you don’t eat enough protein, you’re not going to grow no matter how much creatine you take. If you don’t eat enough calories, you’re not going to grow no matter how much glutamine you take. Don’t believe the BS in the muscle magazines about supplements. Get the 8 basics of nutrition down pat.


After your workouts get in some simple carbs, whey and creatine. Why? Hit the search button.

These ideas will not turn you into a 220 pound ripped ultra low bodyfat % hulking monster of muscular might. If you weigh less than 150 pounds you should successfully reach 170-180 pounds, but give it plenty of time. When you get to this point, where you go from there will depend on genetics.



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- PART 2 -

Nutrition was covered in part 1, this concerns training. This concerns the Ectomorph.

Most training programs you see are not meant for you:

No 3 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off or whatever training split

No training twice a day

No “I’m using Cutlers leg routine from flex cause I’m going to kick his ass in 6 months”

No drop sets, supersets, strip sets, descending sets, pre-exhaust sets

No chest shoulder workout consisting of flat bench for whole chest then incline bench for upper chest then decline bench for lower chest followed by flyes and crossovers then shoulder press for shoulders followed by
front raises for front shoulder, side laterals for side shoulder then rear
laterals for rear shoulder

No 2-hour training sessions

No training just arms and chest unless the woman you desire gets horny from looking at a light bulb which what you’re going to look like.

Pretty much all routines you see. Training programs for an Ectomorph have to be short and intense. Get in, workout, get out, and then get plenty of rest and nutrients before next training session. Take at least 1 day off between workouts, 2 would be better. This would have you training every 3rd day.

These are the exercises you should concern yourself with: Squats, deadlifts, bench press, shoulder press, chin-ups, bent over rows, upright rows, cleans, hack squats, dips, stiff-arm pullover, stiff leg deadlift, dips

These are called compound movements because they hit more than one bodypart. Don’t waste time on isolation movements. These hit one
bodypart and are useless for a beginning Ectomorph.

If your arms are less than 15 inches, don’t train them directly.

If your chest measures less than 40 inches, do presses and dips only.

If your calves are less than 14 inches, don’t train them directly.

Learn the mind-muscle connection (no, not the rock and sock connection). Don’t just lift the weight from point A to point B. Make the muscle work throughout the entire range of motion. Concentrate on the quality of each rep rather than on quantity of weight. If you can’t feel the muscle working and cramping as the set progresses, you’re probably using too much weight.

Your workouts should last between 45-90 minutes. Realize that no matter how perfect your diet may be, or what great super spectacular wonder most efficient so called miracle muscle enhancing supplement you’re
taking, you won’t grow unless you abide by these guidelines.

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- PART 3 -

For an Ectomorph, getting bigger doesn't just happen. You have to put in the time and effort 24/7. Remember this is a lifestyle; it's not something you can just do whenever you feel like, especially if you want results. You have goals you have to meet each and every day.

You have to eat X amount of calories each day.

You have to eat X amount of protein each day.

You have to eat X amount of carbs each day.

You have to eat X amount of fat each day.

You have to drink X amount of water each day.

You have to eat X amount of fiber each day.

You have to take your supplements.

You have to do your workouts lifting X amount of weight for X amount of reps.

Each day make sure you hit all your goals. A way you can check this is to get yourself a calendar. If you did everything you were supposed to, put a checkmark for that day. If you didn't, mark an X and put what you didn’t do and the reason why. As time goes by, if you're not getting results you will start to see a pattern developing on your calendar. Like if you’re consistently skipping workouts, or neglecting your supplements or skimping on your protein intake.

At the end of your cycle, grade yourself. Take the number of checkmarks and divide by how many days in cycle and get a percentage. For example if you’re training for 10 weeks, that’s 70 days. Say you have 59 checkmarks; divide 59 by 70 and you get 84%. Anything below 80% on a consistent basis is not good (hey, I once got a 25).

This may seem anal, but if your a true Ectomorph, you need to do everything right each day to see results. Muscle growth for us doesn’t just happen; we have to work really hard for it. I use this for myself and those I help out and even though I’m not by their side each day, I can take a quick look at their calendar and if they’re getting results, it’s covered with checkmarks. And if they’re complaining that they’re not getting results, it’s covered with X’s.

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- PART 4 -

An overlooked but very important part of a successful training program is rest. Your body needs time to rest after a workout so that your muscles can recuperate and grow. If you are not allowing enough time between
workouts to let your body fully recover, workouts will suffer and muscle growth will not occur. Exercise recovery, healing, tissue repair, anabolic hormone production and muscle growth are all maximized during sleep. Initial effects of sleep deprivation are sleepiness, but in the long term its
consequences can include an interference with the release of growth hormone.

A common mistake many Ectomorphs make is training too often. Just because some people train three or four times a week does not mean that you have to do the same. If you ignore the recovery process and workout
again before your muscles are fully recovered, you will be consistently tearing down muscle tissue and never allowing it to rebuild.

You have to look forward to your workouts. If you dread working out, you won’t get results. Also, if you just go through the motions, you won’t grow. Don’t believe that you have to workout everyday or if you don’t workout for a few days your muscles will lose size. That’s just not true. Your body grows during sleep, not when you workout. The more an Ectomorph works out each week, the less he’ll grow.

If you engage in too much extracurricular activity, kiss gains goodbye. Leave till later after acquired muscle mass. I knew of one guy would who get off work, go home, lift, then go to softball practice. He never made the kind of progress he should have.

More training does not equal more muscle growth. Understand that the purpose of weight training is to stimulate muscle growth. That takes very little time. Once that has been done, the muscle needs to be repaired and new muscle needs to be built. That only happens when you are resting. You do not build muscle in the gym, you build muscle when resting. If you never give your body any essential non-active time, when will it have a chance to build muscle.

Even more practical is to avoid constant striving to prolong indefinitely those wonderful times when you're on a roll of PRs. Most of us can peak for about four to eight weeks. At some point you need to recognize that it can't last. It makes sense to regroup and recover for a while before planning new goals. This is the way to avoid overtraining altogether.

Some of this is my own words and some is from other sources.

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- PART 5 -

training and nutrition logs

in a training log, you simply write down the exercises you did, sets, reps, weights and the time you started and finished. how does that saying go, "you'll never get where you're going if you dont know where youve been." no more guessing how much weight you squatted last week or how many reps you pressed. it will be right there for you to see. you can also add notes or comments about grip placement or something you did to really feel the muscle work that you want to remember for next workout.

also use it to plan upcoming workouts. when you set foot into a gym, you need to know exactly what you're going to do before you even get in there. if you walk in and say, "gee, now what am i gonna do", your workouts are going to suffer. as soon as you finish your sets of a particular exercise, right then and there mark on your log what you want to accomplish next workout. do you want to increase the weight by 5 lbs or maybe 10 lbs? do you want to do a few more reps with the same weight? make a judegment right then and there instead of later on. write it down. next time you do that workout, you can continue where you left off instead of wasting precious time squatting a weight you did 2 weeks ago.

for your nutrition log, this where you keep tabs of your calories, protein, carbs, fat, fat %, and fiber each and every day. if you want to list every single item you ate or drank thats up to you. this may seem like a pain in the rear at first but after a while it will get easier especially if you eat
pretty much the same things day after day. remember nutrition plays a big role in getting bigger and here is your proof that you were eating and drinking what you had to to reach that goal. this is where you keep tabs on your bodyweight, bodyfat % and measurements also.

lets say today you ate 3800 calories, 145gr of protein, 361gr of carbs, 92gr of fat and 29 grams of fiber and you weigh 142 pounds. you ate enough protein, 142 times 2.5 equals 355 so you ate enough carbs, 92 times 9 equals 828 divided by 3800 equals 21% so you got enoug fat. and at 29 grams you got enough fiber. now if you wasnt writing this down each day, how would you know all this? you'll get much better results than the person who says they eat till they cant eat anymore when asked how many calories they eat each day.




hehe... the post was to long had to post it half and half.
 
ok, so i guess my first goal is to fix my diet and those nasty little habbits. I'm guessing my large intake of caffeine every day has got to go. which will not be a easy habbit to break! i drink about 4 liters of pop a day lol and no water haha.

calories - so i need to figure out how many calories a day i eat then eat more then that each day. The 6 meal a day thing sounds good seeing as i can't seem to make myself eat very much at meals.

protein - so about 135 grams of protein a day is what i need for now.

carbs - need about 340 grams of carbs for now

fats - im not sure about figuring this one out haha

water - all i have to do is break my caffeine habbit and switch the pop to water... this is gonna be rough!

fiber - 20-35 grams

Vitamines and minerals - daily multi min/vit no problem

ok so I guess thats a quick outline of what my new diet is gonna be after i figure out how many calories i need. would anyone care to explain the fats thing to me?

any comments or advice would be apreciated.

Newbie~
 
ok, here are my next set of questions! brace yourself.

Lets just say i am extremely out of shape and ive never weight trained before.

so, what does everyone suggest about how to start exersizing and lifting. any starter plans/programs/routines anyone can suggest to this newbie?

the lifting 2 or 3 times a week with 1 day thrown in for cardio sounds good. i wouldn't want to do more then that seeing as im a college student and i work so my free time is little. If i have a schedule and ruotines to follow i am far more likely to keep at this so any advice i can get would be terrific.

in depth explanations welcome!

Newbie~
 
All good points on the posts above.Here's my workout plan. For now you can do this.

Monday: Mile to mile and a half
Tuesday: Upper body workout in weaght room. For abs, 4 sets of 50 crunches, or 2 sets of 100 crunches, also try an ab roller. If they are done correctly, they are killer. Chest, bench doing 5-6 sets of 20-25 at 60% max, also do dips( I can't stress this more if you want results quick. When you get strong enough to do about 10-15 without stopping, strap a 5 pound weaght on ya). Lower back, get on a bench with half of your body hanging off. Get a 10 pound weaght and hold it to your chest, and dip down, then up. You will need someone to sit on your legs when doing this. Upper back, Find a bar, and pull yourself all the way up, except make the bar go behind your head. You might need someone to hold your feet the first couple of times. Arms, regular dumbells, you know the drill.
Wednsday: Lower body, squats are king. Do the same as bench, but always have a spotter on this one. You can also get a small step, get some weaght on are bar. With half your foot hanging off, dip down, then up. This works your calfs. Can't think of much else.
Thursday: rest. You can even take the next day off to, being that you have worked hard all week.
Friday: Start the ruteen over again.

Hope this helps.
 
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Unusual problem

I am a skinny guy trying to put on weight.

Although I'd like to be more muscular, that's not the reason I need to put on weight, I'm applying for a job which has a height to weight ratio. Bizarre but true.

For my height (6'0") I need to be 160lbs and I'm currently 140lbs.

My question is, will weight training make me put on weight faster or will it just burn calories that I would otherwise put on as fat?

Also would there be a better diet for me bearing in mind I don't care how much fat I put on?
 
Yeah, that is unusual. I would say that you need to lift weights, but eat like a horse. That way you will add muscle and make it that much easier to lose the fat if you ever want to - and it is a LOT better for you.

Most "bulking" phases of weight lifting involve adding a fairly significant amount of fat in addition to the muscle - then they will go back and lose the fat.

So pack on the pounds with weight training and lots of carbs/protien. And probably not do a ton of cardio...
 
Ya, nooooo cardio now. You have a sertain amount of time before you aply for the job right? Running will prolong that, and may even make you lose muscle mass, depending on how much you do. Hey thin_guy999. How your training going?
 
I'm a new user also in this forum. I found this forum in a fitness magazine that I am always using. I am a 22 year old women and I love working out. You could say that I'm not a typical women who works out because I myself am not afraid to lift weights. I love going to the gym and working out with the guys. I also work out at home where I have a bench, barbells, and a bar. I am 5 foot 9 and I wiegh 150 pounds. You could say I'm in good shape but I dont think so. I sometimes think I am too thin and I would like more muscle and shape. I have a problem with a high metabolism that some people can relate to. I seem to gain weight only when I eat junk food and sit on my ass, but that's not a life style I want to live. I want to accomplish my goal of becoming shapely toned and muscular. My advice to anyone who has trouble adding on muscle is first of all to eat a lot of protein and carbohydrates, but a little more carbohydrates, but they have to be good carohydrates like whole wheat bread, fruits and vegtables, pasta(wheat pasta), plain baked potatos. Also you have to lift heavy weights. Heavy enough to give you that burn with only eight reps. Aso cardio has to be put down to a limit. I say thirty minutes twice a week if you can help it. Also make shore you eat six times a day every three hours, and rest very little between sets. This is what I have learned from research but if anyone has any more advice to what I have then lets hear it.
 
getting fit doesn't have to be so mind twisting. It all comes down to good nutrition and proper form when wieght training. If you work out for 90 minutes and then go home and eat junk food then your not feeding your muscles the proper nutrition they need to repair themselves!
 
Bringing this old but still useful topic back up ;p

Here's a quote from the long post:
Dont be afraid of increases in fat. As long as it’s not settling solely around your waist you’re ok.
I'm afraid that lately, I seem to be gaining weight, but mostly around my waist... I mean I'd like my chest and arms to get a layer of fat, but not my stomach :s Normally, I've alway had a bit of a 'tummy' (god I lack the vocabulary -_- ), but it would disappear in the morning or so, or on days that I ate less... but now it doesn't seem to go away anymore, and other ppl are starting to notice too :x But my wrists/forearms for instance are still as thin as always.

I mentioned what I ate before in another topic... not that much fats, mostly fruit and other healty food... I stopped taking mass gainer and switched to 2 times a protein shake a day (won't get to 100+ gr of protein a day otherwise)... also stopped eating 60% fat-containing nuts. I also eat less in the evening, I thought I read somewhere that eating (fat) in the evening results in development of fat around the waist.
Anything else I should change ?

Very interesting article though =)
 
if you're starting to gain around the waist and others are noticing, it is time to stop the weight gaining for now. what you want to do now is try to reduce excess bodyfat while trying to maintain as much strenght and lean bodyweight as possible.

no need to drop the nuts. they are a source of good fat. and no, eating fat in the evening doesnt result in fat around the waist. i, like many ppl, have a serving of natty pb right before bed after eating some cottage cheese. :)
 
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