Forget bulking, I want pure power.... XD

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Strenght, size, endurance...

I always thought that there was only size, and that basically was strenght, and endurance was toning.

Now, I want strenght.

I want to know everything about it.

Please, someone, tell me everything I need to know about it. (I also heard on this forum that it can mess up your nerves....uh..really?)
 
I thought the same when I was your age, I wish I knew better.. or a coach knew better at least.

I would suggest looking at various sites online. Reading studies, professional trainers articles, and different forums and you'll be able to piece together what you want to know. Don't rely on one person's answer in a small forum like this.
 
Wait, you say that like it's a bad thing...what is wrong with it?

"You wish you knew better" - wtf does that mean!? Is this bad for me somehow!? oO''
 
Giving up on hypertrophy because of some fat gain.. lol. You'll have to eat just as many calories to strength train. There are different types of strength training, like do you want to be strong in the gym, strong in everyday situations, or strong in olympic events?
 
Man, this turned into a weird thread.

If you take the advice of the other people on this forum and read a lot from different people, be careful what you read. (Of course you should read a lot from a lot of people). For whatever you're reading, make sure you understand what that person's goals are. Some people want size, some want strength (over endurance), some want athletic power (which to me means strength relative to one's own body combined with high endurance).

I have relied mostly on bodyweight exercises, as that whole 'get huge' thing never made much sense to me. It depends what strength means to you. If you want to be able to bench three times your bodyweight, then don't listen to me, as I have no interest in that. I train for dragonboat, which means that along with strength, I need crazy endurance, and bodyweight exercises have been amazing.

I do a lot of Matt Furey's excerises (mattfurey.com). Although he's pretty controversial (more because he's arrogant and sometimes an ass than the exercises he actually teaches), he has a fair amount of unique (largely unavailable) exercises that are hard to find in other places. For a start, do a search for Hindu Pushups and Hindu Squats. If you like those, consider ordering his book or dvds.

Also check out this site for an insane amount of info on old-time strongmen.


Bodyweight exercises also have the added benefit of greatly improving your cardio, as opposed to most types of lifting and weights (assuming you're going for high numbers instead of something like circuit training).

Hope this helps a bit
 
I mean I wish I knew how to lift like an athlete when I was in highschool. I was lifting likea body builder and wondering why I 'looked strong' but didn't see that much improvement in performance. I thought muscle was muscle. It's not.

And I agree with Karl, read up on things. You'll learn about stuff you wouldn't have even known to ask about.

There's three general things I'll tell you, but you may have to worry about your growth plates as well and lifting for max strength may be harmful for you. Honestly I don't know how that works for a teenager, so I'm not going to pretend to know.

1. To gain strength, the best way is to lift low reps (even 1 rep) and keep the volume relatively low, rest time high.

2. Since power is strength*speed, max strength isn't all you're concerned with. You can do normal lifts using 45-55% 1RM and do the lifts as fast as possible. This is the range where you're able to have the highest power output.

3. There are also ballistic exercises that work on power, and these are exercises where you aren't concerned with decelerating the weight. This is done with medicine balls or say on a smith machine. These are done with 15-35% of 1RM. For example, a ballistic bench press would involve you actually throwing the bar up in the air as fast as possible.

I wouldn't forgo hypertrophy training completely however, it still has it's benefits.
 
I'd suggest some dinosaur training routines.. Things using a kettleball, keg, tires, and ropes.. Stuff like that. Matt (Ballast) is pretty knowing of this training, if you're lucky he'll come in here and suggest some specifics. There's a difference b/c just because you can push a perfectly straight metal bar away from your chest at a 90 degree angle doesnt really make you strong. Oddly shaped objects will make you all around strong..
 
I certainly wouldn't do that. There's a reason people go to the gym and not to a field with a couple of old tires. Lifting with free weights allows you to focus on a particular movement with a specific weight, much more balanced, and it's done at a gym with spotters. Having awkward, hard to hold objects may be beneficial to your grip and to the stablizing muscles you're using during that movement, but it certainly won't build strength quicker than using free weights. That type of training has it's positives, but it shouldn't be the core of your training.
 
Okay, since I cannot go and train with tires, barrels, ect. I am just 16 years old after all people. -_-''

I need other suggestions..
 
Nobody,

What is it you want out of absolute training? Do you want to be strong in the powerlifting lifts or strong in...what is it you want out of your training?
 
Muck said:
I certainly wouldn't do that. There's a reason people go to the gym and not to a field with a couple of old tires. Lifting with free weights allows you to focus on a particular movement with a specific weight, much more balanced, and it's done at a gym with spotters. Having awkward, hard to hold objects may be beneficial to your grip and to the stablizing muscles you're using during that movement, but it certainly won't build strength quicker than using free weights. That type of training has it's positives, but it shouldn't be the core of your training.
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I disagree. Properly performing farmers walks will focus on your traps. Properly performing an overhead keg throw will work your back. Any type of weight or resistance has the possibility to hurt you, but keeping proper form and warming up will prevent this.
And if he's talking of funtional strength, strength you can use in everyday life, this would build strength faster. How often when you carry an object is it perfectly balanced? Not to often... Anyways it depends on what type of strength. If you want to be able to bench press as much as possible, then bench. If you want to be able to carry something extremely heavy, carry something heavy.
 
Nobody said:
How many sets?

What are the resting periods between?

What are the expected size gains?
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Bill Starr. Good size gains. Abear has been doing it over here. It'll make you stronger, a newbie/average trainee can't go wrong with it, but you must understand there's an endless amount of paths to the same goal, you just have to experiment and enjoy it.
 
Yes, I seem to change all the time.

Okay, this is what I want, exactly:

I want to be very strong overall, without having the most massive muscles to show for it. I don't care about size.

The maximum weight I can go to for some exercises is 180lbs, and for others it is 120lbs. After I reach this, I plan to go for endurance on my maximum weight.

There, now, advice?
 
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