Epherdrine - HELP PLEASE

[shawnnam]

I don't think anyone is categorically offended. It's clear that you aren't overtly advocating addictive drugs to lose weight.

In the spirit of information sharing; I would however take issue with your legal/illegal mental health comment. The criteria for approving drugs is, as you may or may not be aware, a source of great debate.

Whether a drug is deemed legal or illegal, available by prescription or over-the-counter, does not account for it's safety nor does it speak to anyone's mental health for their decision to take it. Some will take a medicine simply because it's for sale, without any regard for the faulty system which led it to be there.

This is just one example, and superficial at that, but [link removed], marketed as a cold medicine, comes to mind. It's a strong and effective medicine which happens to have psychoactive ingredients. If you read the ingredients and potential side affects, few could help but wonder what the criteria for a "safe" and "legal" drug mixture is. Would you give your child LSD? Speed? Meth? No? Then why would you give your kid this "medicine"? Moreover, why would the government ever approve this specific elixir for sale, over-the-counter no less? The answer is money. The pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful.

Only recently, [link removed] changed their formula to make their product "more accessible to consumers". It turns out meth-labs were using this product to make meth and while the makers of Dimetapp were okay with that, the government wasn't. The formula wasn't changed because the previous one was deemed unsafe or illegal, rather because the government banned the "ease of access" to medicines which had the psychoactive ingredients hoping to curb illicit drug making. The formula still includes a type of addictive stimulant, but the meth-heads can't use it to make their drugs.

In short, I don't buy into the legal/illegal argument. The system and criteria for categorizing drugs is entirely faulty, driven by corporate greed, and shouldn't be used as a measure of mental health.

We don't question the mental health of people who implicitly trust powerful government agencies who work in co-operation with powerful, greedy, extremely wealthy corporations, do we? Or do we?

I was actually referring to someone who is not eating to lose weight or is excessively working out to lose weight being a mental health issue, I know because I suffered from it, I didn't even have an eating disorder but suffered from sever depression which caused me to see my body differently that what I should, because of that I starved myself and worked out multiple times a day.

I would say when it comes to weight loss drugs it is more of a matter of safety. Some may be safe and some may not, because the FDA only approves certain ones we really don't know what is safe or not, and not only that the ones they have approved are not really proven to be that safe either. So I agree, it is a big debate, but for what you are speaking of in terms of mental health I was referring to actual mental health with how someone eats or exercises or sees themselves.

 

[ForRealThisTime]

People will have their opinions on this subject and that is fine, it is a public forum, but I prefer to share information rather than just say "dont take it". Before anyone starts jumping on me with moral or public health messages I am not condoning the use of anything I simply believe that where substances are concerned facts are king. Its kind of like telling a child not to drink or not to smoke weed or have sex and then changing the subject. In my opinion it is better to educate than preach.

So to the OP... I will give you some honest answers based upon personal experience and then I would suggest doing your own research. I DO NOT advocate the use of ANY drug, even coffee, so please do not reply to my post telling me I am wrong or should not be giving advice because I am not trying to be right and am sharing experience not advice.

The ECA stack does work for losing weight. Sure people are going to say "but its not healthy and you will put the weight back on" and that is probably true. I personally have used thermogens in the past and they dramatically increased energy levels and libido. Stamina was greatly increased allowing for a more aggressive workout and a feeling that I actually wanted to workout rather than it feeling like a chore.

Negative Side Effects:
Paranoia and a general feeling of guilt even though I had not done anything to feel guilty about, its weird.
Increased sweating
Very difficult to sleep
Total loss of appetite
Trembling hands
Skin goes bad
Look tired
Immune system is badly effected
Increased heart rate and a general feeling that my heart was beating too fast
There is a very real risk of heart attack and/or stroke

I found the effects extremely noticeable if I took the ECA without food. Taking it with food lessened the effect. I found it best to take them in the morning or afternoon, any time after that and I would be awake all night long, I mean ALL night long.

I love food, always have and never understood what it was like to not have an appetite until I took these. I had no desire to eat whatsoever and dropped a huge amount of weight in a very short space of time.

So there are the facts of my experience with ECA. I dont think it does much good to tell someone not to do something, people will ultimately make up their own minds but I would recommend extreme caution. You should remember why you are losing weight, to look good and be healthy. If you use the ECA stack to lose weight you will neither look good or be healthy so you are totally defeating the purpose of losing weight.

I know some people who use these on a very temporary basis to cut weight for body building competitions and they also make you flush a lot of fluid too.

Be informed, make a decision, but ultimately stay safe and keep your health as your number one concern.

Now please dont flame me for information sharing and answering the OP's initial question.

 

[Jericho]

No one is going to flame you for this. Passions and opinions run strong when it comes to these pills. You gave information and personal experience. You can't flame that.


I can disagree but that's another story

 

[ForRealThisTime]

I can disagree but that's another story

it would be a boring world if we all agreed.

As a side note the vast majority of people I have met who have used ECA take one capsule and find it so uncomfortable they stop immediately, it is about as un-natural as you can get.

You are pretty much using potent stimulants to raise the bodies core temperature in order to burn calories and using blood thinner to deal with the effects of the increased blood pressure.... its an ugly situation.

 

[Karoline]

Epherdrine is a dangerous thing!

 

[jenika]

Ephedrine is similar in structure to the derivatives amphetamine and methamphetamine. Chemically,Take this medication by mouth usually every 4 hours as needed; or as directed by your doctor.It is an alkaloid derived from various plants in the genus Ephedra.This drug should not be used in combination with other stimulant products other cough-and-cold products,or as a dietary supplement for the purpose of weight loss or body building.

 

[summer123]

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We don't question the mental health of people who implicitly trust powerful government agencies who work in co-operation with powerful, greedy, extremely wealthy corporations, do we? Or do we?

I do. (Words cannot define how I feel about drug pushers. Take a peek at the drug Seroxat/Paroxatine if you need any more info. Though now banned as a result of public outcry: eg it wouldn't have been banned otherwise, its still promoted to anyone else over the age of 18, including many who are sometimes too unwell to think properly before making such a choice.)

 

[bluemomma]

Ephedra based products (along with many others) can kill you. Your life is priceless regardless of what you weigh. I have considered many things to try and lose weight, whether drugs, or a fad diet, or surgery. In the end though it's not worth it. Only hard work and healthy eating will do it.

bluemomma

 

[biggestloser105]

Throw it in the trash. Ephedrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It can give you worse problems than your weight.

Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) are more common with systemic administration (e.g. injection or oral administration) compared to topical administration (e.g. nasal instillations). ADRs associated with ephedrine therapy include:[10]
Cardiovascular: tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmias, angina pectoris, vasoconstriction with hypertension
Dermatological: flushing, sweating, acne vulgaris
Gastrointestinal: anorexia, nausea
Genitourinary: diuresis (increased urination) due to increased blood flow (difficulty urinating is not uncommon, as alpha-agonists such as ephedrine constrict the internal urethral sphincter, mimicking the effects of sympathetic nervous system stimulation)
Nervous system: restlessness, confusion, insomnia, mild euphoria, mania/hallucinations (rare except in previously existing psychiatric conditions), delusions, formication (may be possible, but lacks documented evidence) paranoia, hostility, panic, agitation
Respiratory: dyspnea, pulmonary edema
Miscellaneous: dizziness, headache, tremor, hyperglycemic reactions, dry mouth
The neurotoxicity of l-Ephedrine is disputed. [11]
[edit]Contraindications


Ephedrine should not be used in conjunction with certain antidepressants, namely SNRIs (serotonin-norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitors), as this increases the risk of the above symptoms due to excessive serum levels of norepinephrine.
Bupropion is an example of an antidepressant with an amphetamine-like structure similar to ephedrine, and it is known as an NDRI (norepinephrine-dopamine re-uptake inhibitor). It has an action which bears more resemblance to amphetamine than to fluoxetine in that its primary mode of therapeutic action involves norepinephrine and to a lesser degree dopamine, but it also releases some serotonin from presynaptic clefts. It should not be used with ephedrine as it may increase the likelihood of the above side effects.
Ephedrine should be used with caution in patients with inadequate fluid replacement, impaired adrenal function, hypoxia, hypercapnia, acidosis, hypertension, hyperthyroidism, prostatic hypertrophy, diabetes mellitus, cardiovascular disease, during delivery if maternal BP > 130/80 mmHg, and lactation.[12]
Contraindications for the use of ephedrine include: closed angle glaucoma, phaeochromocytoma, asymmetric septal hypertrophy (idiopathic hypertrophic subaortic stenosis), concomitant or recent (previous 14 days) monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) therapy, general anaesthesia with halogenated hydrocarbons (particularly halothane), tachyarrhythmias or ventricular fibrillation, hypersensitivity to ephedrine or other stimulants.
Ephedrine should not be used at any time during pregnancy unless specifically indicated by a qualified physician and only when other options are unavailable.[12]

 

[espressowhip]

I do. (Words cannot define how I feel about drug pushers. Take a peek at the drug Seroxat/Paroxatine if you need any more info. Though now banned as a result of public outcry: eg it wouldn't have been banned otherwise, its still promoted to anyone else over the age of 18, including many who are sometimes too unwell to think properly before making such a choice.)

I'm riiiight there with ya! There are countless drugs out there with the same story, only some haven't been banned. Ephedrine has been controversial since the day it was approved.

Just because a drug is for sale doesn't mean it's safe. This is a whole other topic, one for the FDA-reform forums I suppose. But it literally knocks the wind out of me when someone wholeheartedly believes that just because a drug has navigated itself through the loopholes of the approval system, it's safe to use it. This approval system and unsafe OTC drugs have been openly debated in mainstream media for years and years now - how do people miss this? I genuinely wish the awareness factor were greater for this than for what Lady GaGa has done with her hair - so maybe this kind of cross topic isn't so off-topic, after all - it's about health!

Be safe out there people! Read labels! Stay informed! Question authority!

 

[missl]

eca

eca is ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin.
the ephedrine they use in ephedra pills these days isnt always the same as the past with the super fast effectiveness.
When taking ephedrine, do NOT take too many. Fallow the dosage rules.
Drink plenty of water. It takes a bit to kick in. Generally you take it 20 min before exercise then start working out. It kicks in during your work out to help keep you going. If you stop working out too soon you can get jittery. Heart beats too fast. Dizzyness, etc. Watch for sudden drops in blood pressure. Make sure you have someone around you just in case you faint.

 

[summer123]

eca is ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin.
the ephedrine they use in ephedra pills these days isnt always the same as the past with the super fast effectiveness.
When taking ephedrine, do NOT take too many. Fallow the dosage rules.
Drink plenty of water. It takes a bit to kick in. Generally you take it 20 min before exercise then start working out. It kicks in during your work out to help keep you going. If you stop working out too soon you can get jittery. Heart beats too fast. Dizzyness, etc. Watch for sudden drops in blood pressure. Make sure you have someone around you just in case you faint.

That sounds likea big risk- if anyone has a heart problem, this could really cause them great problems and even death. Many people have heart problems or develop problems without even being aware- some times their doctor is not even aware. Sometimes pills like this can even cause heart defects.

Be very careful with this sort of stuff, you only get one life.