Contrary to popular belief the type's of calories you eat DO make a difference...

Also, somewhat more on topic... I figure I'll clarify this a little... There's something called the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF). When you calculate the calories you burn during a day, your BMR includes the calories you burn to digest food. There have been studies out that show the TEF for 100 calories worth of protein is higher than for 100 calories of carbs or fat. Likewise, the TEF for unprocessed food is higher than that for processed foods. So you burn more calories burning the less efficient food source, just from digestion.

Which is an entirely separate issue from fat mobilization, and where your body draws it's energy from. It takes time to mobilize fat, glycogen is the fast acting fuel source. But if you burn off 500 calories from primarily glycogen, it's not uncommon for your body to burn fat for energy after the fact while refilling the glycogen stores. ... To sum up the summary of the summary, bodies are complicated ;)

As a side note - your brain also burns a lot of energy! There have been studies that you actually burn more calories sleeping than you do watching TV ;)

Right. And, the point I was making (and always do :Angel_anim:) is that 100 calories of protein is no more or no less than the amount of calories you get from 100 calories of carbohydrates, 100 calories of fat, 100 calories of whatever, etc.

The amount of work needed to burn those calories may differ from nutrient to nutrient, but there is not more than one type of calorie. A calorie is a calorie and, no matter what food you consume, it takes 3,500 calories burned to burn(lose) a pound of fat.
 
Right. And, the point I was making (and always do :Angel_anim:) is that 100 calories of protein is no more or no less than the amount of calories you get from 100 calories of carbohydrates, 100 calories of fat, 100 calories of whatever, etc.

The amount of work needed to burn those calories may differ from nutrient to nutrient, but there is not more than one type of calorie. A calorie is a calorie and, no matter what food you consume, it takes 3,500 calories burned to burn(lose) a pound of fat.

God, your posts are so annoying to read because you're clearly not interested in the topic at hand, and are just looking to argue semantics, similar to a person who goes around forums correcting grammar mistakes and ignoring the content of the posts.

Since you love to argue the point, a calorie as you describe it, isn't even a calorie. It's a 1000 calories. Except instead of going around trying to troll everyone with "wha?! whatre you talking about?! its not 3500 calories in a pound of fat, its 3.5 million! I have no idea where you get your info from, im so confused!!", we use our logical minds to take into account the actual point of the post, and if we have nothing to contribute to said post, we, *gasp* just read and move on!

Speaking of which, on topic, I learned during my health class that trans fats, compared to other fats, even saturated, added a disproportionate amount of visceral fat. So instead of the fat being evenly spread out, it just concentrates around your organs, and pushes your belly out, thus the beer belly. Luckily trans fats are becoming relatively extinct.
 
WebMD

Become a better shopper -- learn to avoid the foods high in trans fats
The Top 10 "Trans Fat" Foods:

1. Spreads. Margarine is a twisted sister -- it's loaded with trans fats and saturated fats, both of which can lead to heart disease. Other non-butter spreads and shortening also contain large amounts of trans fat and saturated fat:

* Stick margarine has 2.8 grams of trans fat per tablespoon, and 2.1 grams of saturated fat.
* Tub margarine has 0.6 grams of trans fat per tablespoon, and 1.2 grams of saturated fat.
* Shortening has 4.2 grams of trans fat per tablespoon, and 3.4 grams of saturated fat.
* Butter has 0.3 grams of trans fat per tablespoon, and 7.2 grams of saturated fat.

Tip: Look for soft-tub margarine, because it is less likely to have trans fat. Some margarines already say that on the packaging.

[Important note: When you cook with margarine or shortening, you will not increase the amount of trans fat in food, says Moore. Cooking is not the same as the hydrogenation process. "Margarine and shortening are already bad, but you won't make them any worse."]

2. Packaged foods. Cake mixes, Bisquick, and other mixes all have several grams of trans fat per serving.

Tip: Add flour and baking powder to your grocery list; do-it-yourself baking is about your only option right now, says Moore. Or watch for reduced-fat mixes.

3. Soups. Ramen noodles and soup cups contain very high levels of trans fat.

Tip: Get out the crock-pot and recipe book. Or try the fat-free and reduced-fat canned soups.

4. Fast Food. Bad news here: Fries, chicken, and other foods are deep-fried in partially hydrogenated oil. Even if the chains use liquid oil, fries are sometimes partially fried in trans fat before they're shipped to the restaurant. Pancakes and grilled sandwiches also have some trans fat, from margarine slathered on the grill.

Examples:

* Fries (a medium order) contain 14.5 grams.
* A KFC Original Recipe chicken dinner has 7 grams, mostly from the chicken and biscuit.
* Burger King Dutch Apple Pie has 2 grams.

Tip: Order your meat broiled or baked. Skip the pie. Forget the biscuit. Skip the fries -- or share them with many friends.

5. Frozen Food. Those yummy frozen pies, pot pies, waffles, pizzas, even breaded fish sticks contain trans fat. Even if the label says it's low-fat, it still has trans fat.

* Mrs. Smith's Apple Pie has 4 grams trans fat in every delicious slice.
* Swanson Potato Topped Chicken Pot Pie has 1 gram trans fat.
* Banquet Chicken Pot Pie has no trans fat.
Tip: In frozen foods, baked is always heart-healthier than breaded. Even vegetable pizzas aren't flawless; they likely have trans fat in the dough. Pot pies are often loaded with too much saturated fat, even if they have no trans fat, so forget about it.

6. Baked Goods. Even worse news -- more trans fats are used in commercially baked products than any other foods. Doughnuts contain shortening in the dough and are cooked in trans fat.

Cookies and cakes (with shortening-based frostings) from supermarket bakeries have plenty of trans fat. Some higher-quality baked goods use butter instead of margarine, so they contain less trans fat, but more saturated fat.

* Donuts have about 5 grams of trans fat apiece, and nearly 5 grams of saturated fat.
* Cream-filled cookies have 1.9 grams of trans fat, and 1.2 grams of saturated fat.
* Pound cake has 4.3 grams of trans fat per slice, and 3.4 grams of saturated fat.

Tip: Get back to old-fashioned home cooking again. If you bake, use fat-substitute baking products, or just cut back on the bad ingredients, says Moore. Don't use the two sticks of butter or margarine the recipe calls for two. Try using one stick and a fat-free baking product.

7. Chips and Crackers. Shortening provides crispy texture. Even "reduced fat" brands can still have trans fat. Anything fried (like potato chips and corn chips) or buttery crackers have trans fat.

* A small bag of potato chips has 3.2 grams of trans fat.
* Nabisco Original Wheat Thins Baked Crackers have 2 grams in a 16-cracker serving.
* Sunshine Cheez-It Baked Snack Crackers have 1.5 grams per 27 crackers.

Tip: Think pretzels, toast, pita bread. Actually, pita bread with a little tomato sauce and low-fat cheese tastes pretty good after a few minutes in the toaster oven.

8. Breakfast food. Breakfast cereal and energy bars are quick-fix, highly processed products that contain trans fats, even those that claim to be "healthy."

* Kellogg's Cracklin' Oat Bran Cereal has 1.5 grams per 3/4 cup serving.
* Post Selects Great Grains has 1 gram trans fat per 1/2 cup serving.
* General Mills Cinnamon Toast Crunch Cereal has 0.5 grams per 3/4 cup serving.
* Quaker Chewy Low Fat Granola Bars Chocolate Chunk has 0.5 grams trans fat.

Tip: Whole-wheat toast, bagels, and many cereals don't have much fat. Cereals with nuts do contain fat, but it's healthy fat.

9. Cookies and Candy. Look at the labels; some have higher fat content than others. A chocolate bar with nuts -- or a cookie -- is likely to have more trans fat than gummy bears.

* Nabisco Chips Ahoy! Real Chocolate Chip Cookies have 1.5 grams per 3 cookies. If you plow through a few handfuls of those, you've put away a good amount of trans fat.
Tip: Gummy bears or jelly beans win, hands down. If you must have chocolate, get dark chocolate -- since it's been shown to have redeeming heart-healthy virtues.

10. Toppings and Dips. Nondairy creamers and flavored coffees, whipped toppings, bean dips, gravy mixes, and salad dressings contain lots of trans fat.

Tip: Use skim milk or powdered nonfat dry milk in coffee. Keep an eye out for fat-free products of all types. As for salad dressings, choose fat-free there, too -- or opt for old-fashioned oil-and-vinegar dressing. Natural oils such as olive oil and canola oil don't contain trans fat.

Can you eliminate trans fats entirely your diet? Probably not. Even the esteemed National Academy of Sciences stated last year that such a laudable goal is not possible or realistic.

Instead, take this suggestion from Cindy Moore, MS, RD, director of nutrition therapy at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation: "The goal is to have as little trans fat in your diet as possible. "You're not eliminating trans fats entirely, but you're certainly cutting back."
 

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God, your posts are so annoying to read because you're clearly not interested in the topic at hand, and are just looking to argue semantics, similar to a person who goes around forums correcting grammar mistakes and ignoring the content of the posts.

Since you love to argue the point, a calorie as you describe it, isn't even a calorie. It's a 1000 calories. Except instead of going around trying to troll everyone with "wha?! whatre you talking about?! its not 3500 calories in a pound of fat, its 3.5 million! I have no idea where you get your info from, im so confused!!", we use our logical minds to take into account the actual point of the post, and if we have nothing to contribute to said post, we, *gasp* just read and move on!

Speaking of which, on topic, I learned during my health class that trans fats, compared to other fats, even saturated, added a disproportionate amount of visceral fat. So instead of the fat being evenly spread out, it just concentrates around your organs, and pushes your belly out, thus the beer belly. Luckily trans fats are becoming relatively extinct.

First of all, the topic at hand is how different types of calories affect people in different ways. If you would actually read my posts, which you clearly have not - you may have seen them, but didn't read them - you would see that I have...

A) pointed out that there is not more than one type of calorie - undeniably on-topic, as the discussion is about 'different types of calories' and how they affect people differently.

B) explained how the title of the thread is misleading, as it is not the calories that differ, rather the nutrients contained within the food from which you are obtaining those calories - once again, undeniably on-topic, as the discussion is about 'different types of calories' and how they affect people differently.

Secondly, you tell me that I'm only arguing semantics, then follow it up by arguing semantics? Hmm interesting. But, your information is on the right track. Your claim that there are 1,000 calories in a calorie is incorrect. It's on the right track though; I'll give you that. But, just to live up to your claim that I do nothing but argue semantics, allow me to argue me up some semantics...

The Calorie (upper case), as we know it on nutrition labels, is actually a kilocalorie. A kilocalorie (kcal) is 1,000 calories (lower case). During labeling, the government enforces the use of the term Calorie (upper case), to eliminate any confusion from the public. The difference between the upper case and lower case 'calorie' is this...

Lower case 'calorie' = 1 calorie. The lower case 'calorie' is used when talking about one actual calorie. It takes 1,000 calories to make a kilocalorie.

Upper case 'Calorie' = 1 kilocalorie. The upper case 'Calorie' is used when talking about the total of 1 kilocalorie. A Calorie (upper case) is made up of 1 kilocalorie, or, in other words, 1,000 calories (lower case).

To make it easier for consumers, the government uses the term Calorie (upper case), which is the equivalent of 1 kilocalorie or 1,000 calories (lower case). It's much easier to read '350 Calories' and understand what it means, as opposed to reading '35,000 calories'. So, when you see a food label that has 350 Calories listed on its nutrition panel, it is technically the equivalent of 35,000 calories.

But, as far as we (the public) are all concerned, the amount of Calories listed on a nutrition label is nothing more than one calorie.

And, a pound of fat is comprised of 3,500 Calories. To burn a pound of fat, you don't need to burn 3.5 million calories; you need to burn 350,000 calories.





 
One of my friends failed his nutrition class cuz he was honest about his beer consumption.

The professor refused to accept his paper and told him he was an alky.

She claimed that a calorie was a calorie. But I know I feel better when I don't drink pop;)
 
Sometimes semantics does have it's place, thought! Yesterday I got to hear second hand about some very interesting discussions that occurred because of a different definition of the word 'improvements' ;)

Certainly I'd say it's true that calories aren't the whole story. But from a technical perspective, 'A calorie is not just a calorie' was a bad media headline that added more confusion than was necessary just because it sounded catchy ;)
 
Sometimes semantics does have it's place, thought! Yesterday I got to hear second hand about some very interesting discussions that occurred because of a different definition of the word 'improvements' ;)

Care to elaborate? I find the possible variance in definitions for the word 'improvement' to be kind of interesting.

Jeanette401 said:
Certainly I'd say it's true that calories aren't the whole story. But from a technical perspective, 'A calorie is not just a calorie' was a bad media headline that added more confusion than was necessary just because it sounded catchy ;)

...which is all I was saying.

I find it funny that when someone on the forum says just what you have said, people read it and don't think anything of it. They read it, let it sink in, understand what you are saying and probably think to themselves that you make a good point. Yet, when it's me that makes such a statement, I'm an argumentative jerk who does nothing but argue semantics without adding anything to the conversation.

Oh well.
 
The short version of the story is that to party A (aka the customer) improvement = lower power consumption. To party B (aka the supplier) improvement = more functionality (and coincidentally higher power draw).

And let's face it, you always get a better response if you hate on the media ;)

(I really do hate inaccuracy in 'science' media just to make things catchier. It's hard enough to figure out what's meaningful and what's not without sound bytes adding to it all.)
 
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