Can you still develop muscle if.....
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Other then potential short length of New to Weight Training gaines, IMO, no fitness training will be able to overcome a "bad diet".
And, I am not fixing a "normal" definition to the term "bad diet".
Most knowledgable persons in diet and fitness training would probably know what I am referring to.
Alot of persons do not understand (or attempt to gain knowledge of) the metabolic adaptions that "can" take place within ones body, and become confused, disheartened, and disgusted, with results in the attempt to earn their fitness goals.
When the body tries to makes muscle, it "can be" metabolically "expensive", as bodily adaptions are taking place.
When the body tries to lose tissue, it "can be" metabolically "expensive", and likewise bodily adaptions are taking place.
To lose tissue "some type of deficit is REQUIRED". This is can be done through a reduction (manipulation) in calories AND reduction (or manipulation) of three main nutrients (Carbs, Proteins, and Fats).
For example:
Using a calorie deficit or a traditional one-way approach method:
For sake of arguement, one cuts calories 20% from their approximated MT-Line. The persons "weight" starts to drop.
As the weight drops, so does one's metabolic rate (and potential caloric needs). No way around it. And, the opposite is true in gaining "weight".
At this point, you could cut calories again to trigger another deficit based off of your NEW maintenance level.
At some point though, one can't keep cutting calories, IMO.
If you do, the weight loss will eventually slow or stop, IMO.
If it doesn't, it is going to leave you with a VERY inefficient metabolism, IMO. (and can be one the body will "eventually" not overcome, when speaking in terms of longated severe deficits)
If you have already ignited the stoppage, it is time to "smartly" manipulate your calories to reverse the physiological survival mechanisms one just fired up.
This is my opinion of course, and I have used this thought process with MUCH SUCCESS.
In a "severely deficient calorie deficit" (EVEN WITH weight training), one will "increase the odds" that the body will dine on more muscle than the unwanted fat. Yes, the weight training prevents it from being worse, but the margin of the calorie deficit, in this example, is the GREATER evil.
The ALMIGHTY Calorie is KING in muscle gain or fat loss, and one can use the "nutrients" to a manipulative advantage. This is WHY I PRESS educating oneself. So many hardships and depression can be prevented just through taking the necessary time.
I will end this post here. Its NOT exhaustive and a little short, I know. However, with what I said thus far, what do YOU think the answer is?
Note: Be careful with the definition of "bad diet". For example, one can lose fat tissue having less then optimal diet (such as eating twinkies once in a while-assuming nondiabetic, and healthy internally) if the correct calorie deficit is present particular to the person.
Best regards,
Chillen
And, I am not fixing a "normal" definition to the term "bad diet".
Most knowledgable persons in diet and fitness training would probably know what I am referring to.
Alot of persons do not understand (or attempt to gain knowledge of) the metabolic adaptions that "can" take place within ones body, and become confused, disheartened, and disgusted, with results in the attempt to earn their fitness goals.
When the body tries to makes muscle, it "can be" metabolically "expensive", as bodily adaptions are taking place.
When the body tries to lose tissue, it "can be" metabolically "expensive", and likewise bodily adaptions are taking place.
To lose tissue "some type of deficit is REQUIRED". This is can be done through a reduction (manipulation) in calories AND reduction (or manipulation) of three main nutrients (Carbs, Proteins, and Fats).
For example:
Using a calorie deficit or a traditional one-way approach method:
For sake of arguement, one cuts calories 20% from their approximated MT-Line. The persons "weight" starts to drop.
As the weight drops, so does one's metabolic rate (and potential caloric needs). No way around it. And, the opposite is true in gaining "weight".
At this point, you could cut calories again to trigger another deficit based off of your NEW maintenance level.
At some point though, one can't keep cutting calories, IMO.
If you do, the weight loss will eventually slow or stop, IMO.
If it doesn't, it is going to leave you with a VERY inefficient metabolism, IMO. (and can be one the body will "eventually" not overcome, when speaking in terms of longated severe deficits)
If you have already ignited the stoppage, it is time to "smartly" manipulate your calories to reverse the physiological survival mechanisms one just fired up.
This is my opinion of course, and I have used this thought process with MUCH SUCCESS.
In a "severely deficient calorie deficit" (EVEN WITH weight training), one will "increase the odds" that the body will dine on more muscle than the unwanted fat. Yes, the weight training prevents it from being worse, but the margin of the calorie deficit, in this example, is the GREATER evil.
The ALMIGHTY Calorie is KING in muscle gain or fat loss, and one can use the "nutrients" to a manipulative advantage. This is WHY I PRESS educating oneself. So many hardships and depression can be prevented just through taking the necessary time.
I will end this post here. Its NOT exhaustive and a little short, I know. However, with what I said thus far, what do YOU think the answer is?
Note: Be careful with the definition of "bad diet". For example, one can lose fat tissue having less then optimal diet (such as eating twinkies once in a while-assuming nondiabetic, and healthy internally) if the correct calorie deficit is present particular to the person.
Best regards,
Chillen
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I have personally found out that (atleast for me) the amount of calories consumed are the most important thing in how your body is going to react wether its losing weight or gaining muscle, eating a good balance of carbs, proteins, and fats just makes you feel better at the same time. I won't lie I dont have NEARLY enough protein on a daily basis, but I still see gains whether its weight loss or muscle gain. But that is just my body, you have to find what works for you.
I made this post in a different thread. "Read between the lines" in what it is REALLY trying to show:
Yes, what is put in the mouth, can make all the difference. Especially when consuming foods backed with educational foundation.
Let me use myself as an example.
In a few days I am going to post some brand new pics.
I KNOW the POWER in manipulating carbs when one is lean (and there is a distinction between being lean and being skinny), and just prior to posting the pics, I am imposing a carb "restriction".
Why?
Because I know (with the correct approach), I WILL drop water weight however slight (thus water rentention loss, as carbs carry water), and remove a small layer of water between the skin and the muscle. Protein will be slightly ABOVE what I need to compensate, as will some fat intake.
In a way you call this manipulating carbs to induce a diuretic effect on my body (getting rid of some water, for short while).
Sure, I could purchase an over-the-counter diuretic, but why? When I can use the more "natural" method: THE DIET.
And, I know another "tendency" with older persons. There is "tendency" to be more intolerant to insulin (or it takes more of it to enter the cells as we age --not everyone of course, but effects alot of older persons "unknowingly", but it is not enough "normally" to bring adult onset diabetes). And, to me, this is a BENEFIT not a negative. IF looked at the proper way.
Likewise, there is "potentially" some drawbacks in the weight room to look for, when developing this sort of short-term diet implementation. Keen eye, no depression.
EDIT:
Now let me continue. After this is complete, I KNOW what is going to happen to me when I INCREASE CARBS. I know my glucose stores will be low or near empty, and my body is going to be MUCH MORE TOLERANT to excess carbs, and to a reasonable extent EXCESS calories to fill these stores to near personal capacity. If I do it right, I can eat in minor suplus (gain a little water) but really no tissue weight.
VIOLA! Power of nutrition KNOWLEDGE. KNOW YOUR NUTRITION!
Education = Mentally Rich.
One can manipulate water, and dependent on the nature of the manipulation, one can get a flat look, a watery look (sort of bloated for lack of expression), or a dry look (removing to much water, etc), just through manipulating what one EATS.
Absolute POWER in calorie and nutrient manipulation. Learn it. It will serve you very well.
Chillen
Yes, what is put in the mouth, can make all the difference. Especially when consuming foods backed with educational foundation.
Let me use myself as an example.
In a few days I am going to post some brand new pics.
I KNOW the POWER in manipulating carbs when one is lean (and there is a distinction between being lean and being skinny), and just prior to posting the pics, I am imposing a carb "restriction".
Why?
Because I know (with the correct approach), I WILL drop water weight however slight (thus water rentention loss, as carbs carry water), and remove a small layer of water between the skin and the muscle. Protein will be slightly ABOVE what I need to compensate, as will some fat intake.
In a way you call this manipulating carbs to induce a diuretic effect on my body (getting rid of some water, for short while).
Sure, I could purchase an over-the-counter diuretic, but why? When I can use the more "natural" method: THE DIET.
And, I know another "tendency" with older persons. There is "tendency" to be more intolerant to insulin (or it takes more of it to enter the cells as we age --not everyone of course, but effects alot of older persons "unknowingly", but it is not enough "normally" to bring adult onset diabetes). And, to me, this is a BENEFIT not a negative. IF looked at the proper way.
Likewise, there is "potentially" some drawbacks in the weight room to look for, when developing this sort of short-term diet implementation. Keen eye, no depression.
EDIT:
Now let me continue. After this is complete, I KNOW what is going to happen to me when I INCREASE CARBS. I know my glucose stores will be low or near empty, and my body is going to be MUCH MORE TOLERANT to excess carbs, and to a reasonable extent EXCESS calories to fill these stores to near personal capacity. If I do it right, I can eat in minor suplus (gain a little water) but really no tissue weight.
VIOLA! Power of nutrition KNOWLEDGE. KNOW YOUR NUTRITION!
Education = Mentally Rich.
One can manipulate water, and dependent on the nature of the manipulation, one can get a flat look, a watery look (sort of bloated for lack of expression), or a dry look (removing to much water, etc), just through manipulating what one EATS.
Absolute POWER in calorie and nutrient manipulation. Learn it. It will serve you very well.
Chillen
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do you have some sort of guide that would explain in detail which foods do what.
Re-read my post. The main point is one can manipulate a nutrient to obtain a "wanted" benefit.
CARBS ARE NOT BAD!
Let me make this clear!
Most who have saw my posts, know I feel this way anyway.
The time is correct, for this approach on my diet, and it may NOT be for you.
I am just eliminating carb rich foods, for example like: Oatmeal, LGB-Rice, most whole grains, etc. And replacing these with: Chicken, Tuna, other fish types, Select pieces of Beef, Avacodoes, NPB (one place for a small portion of carbs), Fish oil, Flax, Smart Balance Butter, Green veggies (like Broccoli, etc, and one place for a SMALL amount of carbs)--as examples. Carbs are under 30 grams. And, I tend to respond VERY strongly in a matter of a few days. And, its just for a short term for a desired goal effect.
Best wishes,
Chillen
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ok the last part of your post was what I was looking for. thanks
in my opinion you can't really build muscle without the food... I see the skinny kids in the gym that work hard but never get any bigger.. ya gotta eat.
If you want I can give you more ideas in the basic sense, and then you can just add in the various flavors to suite to taste.
Glad to help ya!
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Chillen