Am I overdoing it?

H

hypnotic

0
Me and my buddy go to the gym everyday.We usually do this:
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Arms
Wednesday: Back/Shoulders
Thursday: Chest
Friday:Arms

Sometimes we mix it up but usually we get that much in a week. We do 4 sets of 10 reps on most of everything.Sometimes sets of 8 depending on the weight.We are usally at the gym anywhere from 1.5-2 hours a day.Sometimes we work one muscle 4 or 5 different ways. I dont feel this is necessary but my workout partner insists that we at there for a couple of hours and work out till were damn near dead.I dont take any supplements and we have been at it like this for about 4 months now.I have lost over 45 lbs and increased massivly on how much weight I can lift.Is there a more efficent way to workout or should i stick with what were doing. Also i have like 6 boxes of Creatine Fizz Fuel I was thinking about taking about 30 mins before each workout to help build muscle mass.Anybody got any suggestions? I am about 6'3 165lbs.
 
Are you still making strength gains? The regular creatine is just has good has any of that fancy overpriced crap.

Why are your workouts taking so long? How many sets are you doing on average a session?
 
My workouts take so long becuase we hit every machine in the gym for that muscle on top of free weights.We prolly do anywhere from 12-16 different lifts of 4 sets 10 reps.Its a rough workout.

I still make weights gains but not nearly as much as when I first started. I started out benching 150 max now im hittings 235 max.
 
What do you mean I am gonna burn out?I have been doing it for a few months now. it makes me feel great. Its just if there is a more efficent time saving way to gain just as much muscle I would liek to know.
 
hypnotic said:
My workouts take so long becuase we hit every machine in the gym for that muscle on top of free weights.We prolly do anywhere from 12-16 different lifts of 4 sets 10 reps.Its a rough workout.

I still make weights gains but not nearly as much as when I first started. I started out benching 150 max now im hittings 235 max.
Click to expand...

Time for a change dude. Like karl said you will burnout, that's a LOT of volume.

Drop the machines, personally free weights makeup around %90 of my workouts. That alone might cutdown your workouts.

If you like splits try Max OT or Bill Starrs 5X5. That or come up with one yourself. You should be able to get in and out of the gym in 75Min tops. Usually i would say 45-60Min but you have a partner so it might slow you down.

Great start thou now its time to invest some time and learn. :)
 
Whats Max OT or Bill Stars 5x5? Also its not me that isnt up for the change. My workout partner's mind is set that we must get atleast 1.5-2 hours at the gym and I have no clue how I can convince him otherwise.Should I start taking the Creatine, and will it help me out? I like the machines also I usually do free weights then a machine.Sometimes its extremly hard for me to balance free weights becuase my arms being long and the machine make me have that burn also.
 
hypnotic said:
Whats Max OT or Bill Stars 5x5? Also its not me that isnt up for the change. My workout partner's mind is set that we must get atleast 1.5-2 hours at the gym and I have no clue how I can convince him otherwise.Should I start taking the Creatine, and will it help me out? I like the machines also I usually do free weights then a machine.Sometimes its extremly hard for me to balance free weights becuase my arms being long and the machine make me have that burn also.
Click to expand...

Max OT


This is a brutal workout if that's what you guys want.

Today's training tip comes from Alwyn Cosgrove:

Machines: Just Say No

The superiority of three-dimensional free weight training is unparalleled. Single joint fixed axis machines like the leg extension and the preacher curl machine are outdated. Other than rotational movements, which can be trained effectively using a cable column, every other movement can be performed better with bodyweight or a free weight rather than with a machine.
Click to expand...

He puts its better then me. :D
 
Man i have been reading a bit on this Max OT and its seems difficult. Is this really what I am wanting to do. I pyrimid train accroding to this and its completely wrong way to train. I am all for this method I just dont know about my lifting partner.
 
hypnotic said:
Me and my buddy go to the gym everyday.We usually do this:
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Arms
Wednesday: Back/Shoulders
Thursday: Chest
Friday:Arms

Sometimes we mix it up but usually we get that much in a week. We do 4 sets of 10 reps on most of everything.Sometimes sets of 8 depending on the weight.We are usally at the gym anywhere from 1.5-2 hours a day.Sometimes we work one muscle 4 or 5 different ways. I dont feel this is necessary but my workout partner insists that we at there for a couple of hours and work out till were damn near dead.I dont take any supplements and we have been at it like this for about 4 months now.I have lost over 45 lbs and increased massivly on how much weight I can lift.Is there a more efficent way to workout or should i stick with what were doing. Also i have like 6 boxes of Creatine Fizz Fuel I was thinking about taking about 30 mins before each workout to help build muscle mass.Anybody got any suggestions? I am about 6'3 165lbs.
Click to expand...

I stopped reading where i highlighted in red. This is a mistake because not only by this time must you be completely exhausted but testosterone levels start to drop around the 45 - 60 minute mark when you're lifting. So anything more than an hour is pretty much a waste of time. It's ok if the 1.5 - 2 hours includes warm up, stretch, weights and than cardio but lifting for 1.5 - 2 hours is excessive..
 
Maybe you should scrap your partner or not let him control your life so much. Besides that here is something worth reading...

"Rest and Recuperation

Muscles don't grow during a workout. They grow between the workouts - if you allow them to rest, that is. All too often, the over-enthusiastic trainee works out longer and more often under the impression that more is better. Over training is the arch-nemesis of the bodybuilder. Training by itself does not necessarily translate into growth; training plus recuperation does.

Proper recuperation includes two separate components; specific recuperation and systemic recuperation. Specific recuperation refers to how much time you allow between training a particular body part. The rage these days seems to be training every day and hitting each muscle group once per week. This is not a bad idea, but if you're training six or seven days per week, you're defeating the purpose of one body part a week training. Individual muscle groups need to rest between training sessions, but so does the entire body. Systemic recuperation means allowing your entire body to recuperate by not training too many days in a row. If you train too frequently, this places excessive demands on your nervous system. Two or three days of weight training in a row is the most you should ever do. If you are a "hard-gainer" then an every other day routine might be even better. A two on, one off schedule where you work each muscle every five to seven days is extremely effective. This allows individual muscles and your entire body sufficient recuperation for maximal growth." - Tom Venuto
 
Last edited:
Ha1--Karl is right.

I like Max OT, another routine I like is DFST (dual factor strength training ).

Let's see, if you worked a muscle 4-5 different ways at 4-8 sets of 10 reps, then you're giving each muscle group 160-400 reps twice a week, that's just simply way over doing it.

Get off the machines, start working your legs, and get out of there in an hour. If he wants to get all huffy about being in there over an hour, tell em' to look up cortisol levels and how they affect muscle growth...or just drop him.

By the way, if you're only working out your upper body, then you're wasting your time.
 
Yeah I am only working my upper body...We have never once did a workout on our legs, and the only reason for this is becuase my partne dosent like too.
 
hypnotic said:
Yeah I am only working my upper body...We have never once did a workout on our legs, and the only reason for this is becuase my partne dosent like too.
Click to expand...


Then your partner is holding you back from making gains.
 
I kinda brought the idea out to him and he didnt understand how were were working out wrong.So i printed the first week directions of Max OT and im gonna give it to him to read and see what he thinks.If he dont wanna do it he's hurtin becuase now that i know I am wasteing my time staying that extra hourI will refuse to stay.I have the car and i am the one that gets us there and back.
 
hypnotic said:
I kinda brought the idea out to him and he didnt understand how were were working out wrong.So i printed the first week directions of Max OT and im gonna give it to him to read and see what he thinks.If he dont wanna do it he's hurtin becuase now that i know I am wasteing my time staying that extra hourI will refuse to stay.I have the car and i am the one that gets us there and back.
Click to expand...

Dude grow some balls and tell you friend "Look this is the way it is". Tell him to visit this forum we'll tell him lol

Tell him Max OT has been used for a number of years now by many experienced trainees and its works. It's one of the most popular out of the box programs i've seen on the net.

If your doing all upperbody for up to 2hours a day your not going to see a lot of gains in size. You might be now but that's because your a newbie and the body will react to almost anything the first time you embark on resistance training.
 
Well he is all for it but the Max OT the first week dont look like ****.It aint many reps or sets at all? I guess its the 2 min rest between sets that make it so long.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top