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richandy

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Hey, as i said in my introduction thread i'm Steven, i'm 17 from the Uk, i've been overweight for pretty much all of my life, apart from when i was in the early years of primary school when i was a twig.

I weight 131kg and for the past 3weeks i havent been to the gym due to exams. But today was my last day (apart from some media lessons) so now im pretty much always at home and no studying to do since i've finished my exams.

now to the points, its my birthday in august and i really want to get some nice clothes. I wear size 44 jeans at the moment and theyre horrible.

I would like to know; what sort of foods should i be eating? i've been talking to my parents and they're going to change what they cook for meals when i tell them whats best (we have alot of chips and red meat) aswell as what should i eat, when i was going to the gym i was going 4 times a week for 1hour, about 40mins of the time i was doing Cardio with the rest lifting (majority) upper body weights.

If my question is confusing, cause i have drifted in and out of my question, please ask and i'll try clear it up.

i'll be checking this thread all the time, since i'm EAGER to lose as much weight as i can before my birthday, and an event with friends i'll be attending, OH wow i cant believe i forgot, i also have a leavers ball in july so i'd like to of lost some weight for them so i can look better in a suit!, thank you!

thanks in advance
steven
 
You need to be eating a lot of vegetables along with a selection of fruit and lean meat (chicken is good but there is nothing wrong with lean red meat) but try to avoid stuff which is fried.

try to stick to foods which have a minimum amount of processing, aiming for fresh foods is best.

Have you considered starting a journal in the diary section of the forum to track what your eating each day which will allow members to make suggestions based on what your actually eating.
 
You need to be eating a lot of vegetables along with a selection of fruit and lean meat (chicken is good but there is nothing wrong with lean red meat) but try to avoid stuff which is fried.

try to stick to foods which have a minimum amount of processing, aiming for fresh foods is best.

Have you considered starting a journal in the diary section of the forum to track what your eating each day which will allow members to make suggestions based on what your actually eating.

Thanks, i havent considered start a journal as of yet, i'd, this may seem rude or silly, rather keep it to myself for the first month or so - then when i have confidence i'll start one on here.

Also, my BMR is, according to , 2709, so by this, how many calories a day should i reduce that to, so i can maximize my weight loss?
 
dropping it down by 500 is a good start but you need to remember that BMR is an estimate, everybody will have differences in metabolism etc so your calorie level will require some fine tuning through trial and error. slowly dropping the calories until you begin to see the effect.

I know your not cooking your own food but it does help to measure everything to begin with as it is very easy to eat more than you thing you are, most people are not good at estimating portion sizes.

your not rude or silly, just start when your ready :)

there are others here who should be able to help further with the nutritional advise than I can, I am better with the exercise aspect of things :)
 
As you said you're more knowledgeable with exercise, whats the best exercise i should be doing, i know i have to change it up some weeks, when i was going to the gym before i was doing the majority of the time on the Cross-trainer then cooling down with a fast(ish) pace on the treadmill.

When i was lifting weights i'd just stick to the machines, no free weights, because i dont have the confidence to go over with these 'hard-core' weight lifters. So i was one day doing my back and biceps then other days doing my chest and triceps, and other weeks i'll switch to my legs and my stomach.

I was going to ask my parents if i could buy a bench and some better weights so i can lift at home. Since as well as weight loss i'd like to build some muscle.
 
Hi Steven, and welcome :)

There are two places to start for "what to eat"- what works for you, and what's in your best interests nutritionally. The second is particularly important as you're still developing (you may still be growing, and brain/ bone development continues until about the age of 25). I'm also an advocate of knowing your calorie allowance and working within that- I recommend eating within a range of calories that represents a 500-1000 calorie deficit on what you need to maintain your weight (although it's important that that number doesn't fall below 1800 given your development).

For what you "should" eat, look to the nutritional guidelines in the UK. Have a look at the "eatwell plate" for an idea of what you should be eating: Eatwell plate This is a great place to start.

The NHS recommends eating 5 serves of fruit and vegetables a day (you probably see "this counts as one of your five a day" on packages. A serve is 80g of fresh/ cooked fruit or vegetables (weigh from raw), a small glass of juice (can only count as one of your five a day due to lack of fibre and high sugar content), or 30g of dried fruit (only counts as one of your five a day). You should also try to have as much variety in that as possible (while 5 apples counts, it only gives you one set of nutrients- five different things is better for you). I think most people can eat much more than that- fruit and veg are a great way to be able to eat a lot more food (thus satisfying hunger) on a low calorie diet, plus they're very nutritious. Some countries (such as Australia, where Trusylver is and where I'm originally from) say you should eat more than 5 serves (Australia recommends 5 vegetables and 2 fruit- vegetables are probably more important than fruit, but both are excellent). Also remember that potato and sweet potato count as starches (like bread or rice), not vegetables, for the purposes of your five a day.

Another thing that might not be obvious is the latest recommendations by the NHS to limit red and processed meat to no more than 70g a day, due to increased risk of bowel cancer. 70g isn't a lot (most supermarkets advise a serving size is 125g). My personal response to this (yours may vary) is to increase the amount of white meat I eat (particularly chicken). I second Trusylver's recommendation that lean meat is an excellent option- personally I go for extra lean mince and carefully cut off (and throw away) all the fat on the meat that I eat.

Frying isn't necessarily bad- it can be, but it depends on how you do it. You need to limit the amount of oil you use because that can be a source of calories. I personally use Frylight (Fry Light Sunflower Oil Spray (250ml) in Tesco | mySupermarket) for most of my frying, which is a calorie per spray (I typically use 6-10 sprays on my medium saucepan, so 6-10 calories; by way of comparison I need at least 6g of olive oil to coat my medium saucepan, which is about 50 calories). Stir fries can be an excellent way to cut down on the amount of meat you use (this one is very nice, although when I used it I used even less meat than the recipe called for: Chicken & mango stir fry recipe - Recipes - BBC Good Food ) and incorporate vegetables into your meal rather than just have them on the side. At the end of the day, you need to account for the calories in everything you use to make something, not just the stuff you're consciously eating.

Watch out for the starches (grains, potatoes, pasta, rice, etc)- they're very good for you and you need to have them in your diet, but they can be reasonably high calorie. Bread is particularly bad, especially given it's not filling. Make sure you get the serving sizes right (e.g. a serve of rice is 50-75g, most people seriously overpour this) and try to supplement with something that's lower calorie.

Dairy is also important- you should aim to get 3 serves a day. Try switching from blue to green or green to red label if you can stomach it- you'll get used to the difference and you'll save yourself calories. Watch for cheese, it's incredibly high calorie most of the time (except for things like low fat cottage cheese).

Try to cut down on added sugar. Sugar is a real calorie kicker (about 20 calories per teaspoon), and adds up really quickly. If you have sugar in your tea or coffee, or on your cereal, wean yourself off.

As for things that work for you, part of that is what will work with your family, although it sounds like you're lucky that they're willing to accommodate you. Other things to keep in mind are your tastes (if you don't like broccoli, don't eat it- although if you don't like any vegetables... you do need some vegetables unfortunately, they're essential), your appetite (how hungry do you get, how much do you need to keep you full, do you need to snack, etc- the more you need to eat/ snack, the lower calorie density your food should be- e.g., you can eat way more courgettes- 17 calories for 100g- than roasted peanuts- 579 calories/ 100g), and your schedule (do you have to take your food out with you? how much time do you have to cook? etc). Try certain things- I'd recommend trying porridge for breakfast (a serve is 40g, but personally I have 45g because 40 isn't enough) because it's very filling (I have it with a serve of frozen berries and a little milk, made with water).

Have a look around the forum to see what other people are doing. In the diaries some people list their food (I keep quite a detailed diary and link to/ describe recipes most of the time). Have a look on recipe websites- BBC Good Food is a good one (it allows you to search within a calorie range)- Recipes - 7000 tried and tested recipes... - BBC Good Food - and Taste Australia is another one of my favourites (use advanced search and look for "low kilojoule"- divide kilojoules by 4.2 to get calories. There may be some dialect differences there as well as things that aren't as readily available, but they have some really good recipes). I've also set up a thread for recipes with meat in them: http://weight-loss.fitness.com/club/48894-omnivore-cooking-recipe-club.html and there's another one with vegetarian recipes: http://weight-loss.fitness.com/club/48149-vegetable-dish-cooking-club.html

Don't expect miracles- safe recommended weight loss is about a kilogram a week (a little bit more given you're over 100kg, but probably no more than 1.5kg a week on average). Keep in mind that you're doing this for the long term, and don't get discouraged if you don't see exactly what you want immediately. Just keep plugging away- and if things don't change in a couple of weeks, then I'd recommend seeing if you've made any mistakes (miscalculated needs/ calories consumed, for example), and if you haven't, talk to your doctor and see if there are any other underlying issues causing difficulties (for example, I have an underactive thyroid which makes it difficult for me to lose weight if left untreated).
 
Don't worry too much about mixing with the hard core lifters, we generally don't bite :D

the cross trainer is good but the exact cardio your doing doesn't make a lot of difference, getting out for a brisk walk each day is just as good and then as you begin to loose the weight you can pick up the intensity by adding in some jogging or running. If you can get to a pool, swimming is also an excellent exercise which is easy on the joints when your overweight, but you need to remember to keep up a good pace.


Weights.

as a beginner 3 days of full body training is fine for while your loosing the weight. weights should generally be done before cardio to maximise the effect of both. You don't need a split routine for weight loss or until you become a little more advanced, a split routine makes it easy to over do the training putting yourself at risk of injury.

in general you cannot gain muscle at the same time as loosing fat unless you are very overweight, this is why bodybuilders cycle between a building phase and a cutting phase.

there is a lot you can do at home without a gym but having a bench and a selection of dumbbells (or 2 adjustable dumbbells) is great if you can get them. You don't need a bar until your using larger weights which are better done at a gym for safety reasons.
 
You dont realise how happy i would be losing 1kg a week, i started originally trying to lose weight around 4months ago, and i was eating ALOT less than what i did and exercising the same as i do now, and over that time, i lost 2kg. Thats when i had my first 'i'm sad im going to not try anymore'.

also wow, thanks for the massive reply with the useful info.
:)
 
I'll also add that, as a forum thing in general, the more interest/ support you show other people, the more support people will show you, especially at first. I personally found this really important for motivation starting out. (Also, the more you read of what other people are doing, the more ideas you can steal from them :D )
 
:D thanks, i usually do read through what other people do, but since i don't really know a lot so, i don't usually know what to say, apart from 'Nice progress keep it up' etc.

The only stuff i know is the knowledge i got from doing P.E theory at GCSE, but i forgot so much since i started A-levels :X
 
Do you know how to calculate your calories, Steven? I've done the "eat less, cut out crap" thing and it didn't work for me- I tried various different methods of it, and not only did it make me miserable, I had absolutely no results (or worse, put on weight). I've lost 5kg in 6 weeks- my first major weight loss actually trying to lose weight (I've lost weight before only through catastrophic illness, I don't recommend this, even though I lost about 40kg that way), and I probably eat more and get to eat things I enjoy without guilt. I eat better now than I used to. I'd recommend getting a calorie calculator (you can get them for free- fitday and myfitnesspal are programs online, or the one I use- cron-o-meter- can be downloaded as software, though not used online, for free), and, if possible, a digital scale (this is the one I got, although on sale for a tenner: )

Have a look at my diary and see what I'm doing (don't worry about the fancy looking numbers, cron-o-meter does all them for me as long as I tell it the nutritional value of what I'm eating- I have to do that once per product- and the weight of the serving). Feel free to steal anything from me, or ask me questions on how I make certain things- stick them in my diary or send me a PM (when you have 10 posts you can do that).
 
Re not knowing what to say, sometimes "wow you're doing great, keep it up" is really what people want to hear (particularly if people are getting discouraged, which a few people seem to be at the moment). Comment on a recipe/ food they've made, a photo they've posted, ask them about something they've done- everyone likes attention.
 
Okay thanks, and yeah i've got Myfitnesspal bookmarked already :).

When i start i'm thinking of photographing myself from a sideview each week to see if i have made any visible progress. i've seen people around on this forum who've photographer per week or few weeks with very noticable differences.

wow for once i feel, not excited, i cant think of the word right now, about losing the weight, i guess thats a very good thing.

and if i'm rambling, i'm sorry i've been browsing the internet for a few hours about weight loss and nutrition etc. so i'm abit, okay very tired:)
 
Just this morning i've found out that i can no longer afford to pay for my gym member ship (£33 a month), so now i'm sort of lost to what to do, i'm still going to eat right (and start calorie counting), but exercise wise?, i don't have anywhere near enough confidence to road run, also i have even less access to weights, apart from my dumbbells and bar at home. I was thinking of joining my parents on their 1hour walk with my dog after dinner, but that conflicts with stuff i need to do at home..but my health is way more important..

In terms of getting access to more weights, i think i said earlier i was going to buy a bench, well i cant afford that either, unless my parents decide to help me out with paying for it, and if i bought it i could get into doing routines at home.

:<

hmmhmm:(
 
What about running in the park? I don't know about where you are, but there are quite a few big parks near me and a lot of people go running in them. Alternately, have you thought about exercise DVDs? You can get those reasonably cheaply (I got a set of 3 old Rosemary Conley DVDs last year for about 8 pounds- including postage- off Amazon. Unfortunately I live in a flat with people below me so I don't do them anymore). People here also recommend/ use this site:

Walking is a good form of exercise, but you need it to be brisk (get your heartrate up) for cardiovascular fitness.
 
There is a park reasonably close, but then again i have extremely low confidence, i can barely talk to people, so running in the park would be almost impossible for me. There is another gym near me, you have to pay for every hour you go and it is TINY, i might have a look there again see if its still actually there.

I know exercise is very important, but, if i cant get the amount of exercise i would at a gym, how much would that affect my weight loss? is it going to be significantly less?
 
Theoretically you can lose weight without doing any exercise- it's all about the calorie deficit. But if you don't exercise you'll lose more lean muscle mass, which will lead to a less desirable result. Not to mention the other benefits- including confidence- that exercise can bring.

A pay by the hour gym? That sounds horrible.
 
Theoretically you can lose weight without doing any exercise- it's all about the calorie deficit. But if you don't exercise you'll lose more lean muscle mass, which will lead to a less desirable result. Not to mention the other benefits- including confidence- that exercise can bring.

A pay by the hour gym? That sounds horrible.


Well; its not pay by the hour its more like; Pay whatever they charge to go in, which is an hour alowed in, i also had it cheaper + a breeze card to make it even cheaper, but it was still pretty expensive.

My has just been talking to her friend who does this;

Breakfast: Cereal (Bran flakes) with semi-skimmed milk
Lunch: a slimfast microwave meal
Tea: slimfast microwave meal
and then snacks on fruit / low calorie stuff like crisp bread cottage cheese, and other stuff.

Her calories a day are like, 1500ish, i was thinking of trying this but it does sound like it has too low calories for me, if thatss a bad thing?.

On the exercise parts, i'm going to walk my dog with my parents which is around an hour walk, i have some weights at home that i enjoy doing in my free time (still trying to get that bench so i can do more than just my arms, so i can do my whole upper body) and we do have a X-trainer in our conservatory, but i'm pretty sure its broken - my parents say its not but, they've never used a working one, its like its....too easy? the dial to change the difficulty on it does nothing.

Well, ^ what do you think about eating?, that slimfast or it might be weight watchers, i'm not sure, meals are low calorie, like 250-350 each, theres not much to eat, but hey that'll change how much i actually eat, because we do usualy pile stuff on our plate (we've cut down by ALOT since i started trying to lose).

Also i'm sorry if that read is confusing and in a weird order.. :)

thank you again,
Steven :)
 
also; that gym thats by the hour(sort of) i checked it out today, its usually quite empty.

but i didnt realise, after paying for my nice esporta expensive gym which has loads of NEW equipment, wow.. its pretty shoddy for the money. :|
 
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