eat stop eat

[tic]

Okay, now its me say something about a DIET. Most people, actually 90%, of people do not keep the weight off once they lose it. Why? Because the changes are short term and they revert right back to what they did before they went on the diet. Now, do you plan on fast 1-2x a week for the rest of your life?

Next, open our mind? Now, you did say that "common sense" says that it should not worth. Thereby it MUST work because common sense is wrong right? Wow.... that is all that I can say, don't listen to that thing in the back of your head that says this is wrong.

Finally, think about your metabolism. How is this effecting it in the long haul. This diet may work and most likely will work but in term of gaining muscle on it, I hight doubt it. Most likel you will lose a lot of muscle unless you are really skinny beganning to workout.

That is my 4 cent now... Once again, don't trust your common sense guys!!! That is a good one.

 

[Typhon]

But for the average person who wants more of the kind of Spartan warrior look and not a big bulky look - I think it's perfect.
.

lol, it's amazing to me how narrow-minded people are.










I'm not going into a huge war on this. I'm guessing that most of everybody posting here is a bodybuilder and trying to get huge, and I don't expect you to try and wrap this around your head.

But...it's PROVEN (there are dozens of other studies, I'm not posting them all though b/c you guys probably won't accept it anyway) and for some people, it works amazingly.

All you've shown here is your inability to read and interpret scientific studies. All the research you posted was aimed at controling the risk of developing serious illnesses. And the best conclusion about the diet (I think it was in the first study you posted but can't be bothered to go back and check) said that it might be as good as Calorie Controled diets but more research was needed

EDIT: Here is the quote, from the second link you posted
The findings in animals suggest that ADF may effectively modulate several risk factors, thereby preventing chronic disease, and that ADF may modulate disease risk to an extent similar to that of CR. More research is required to establish definitively the consequences of ADF.




More research was needed to establish that it 'may' be as effective as calorie control? I hardly think that means that the diet is proven and effective

And as for the 'Spartan Warrior' look, first off I imagine you're refering to the physiques in the popular movie 300 where the actors trained by eating many meals a day?
Well, nothing you just posted mentioned anything about training of general wellbeing, just about reducing the risk of heart disease and cancer compaired to your average member of the population.

Your research fails big time

 

[Typhon]

lol, it's amazing to me how narrow-minded people are.

I mean seriously, be a little open minded.

I'm not going into a huge war on this. I'm guessing that most of everybody posting here is a bodybuilder and trying to get huge, and I don't expect you to try and wrap this around your head.


Just open your minds a little. I'm not telling you it's better than eating 6 meals per day, but for some people it is.

P.S. - I'm not going to reply anymore to this thread. As much as I'd love to argue back and forth and try to open your minds, I have a lot of work and research to do.:action11:

Also, in my general experience, people who accuse others of being close minded are generally the most narrow minded.
A little like countries with the word 'Democratic' in their name being the least so. It's an over compensation thing. If you actually wanted an exchange of views rather than to force your opinion onto people you wouldn't have accused us all of being narrow minded bodybuilder types who couldn't wrap our heads around it. It's a little like saying, 'I can't be wrong, so you must all be ignorant'.

Just face it, your diet blows more than BigTom's mum at a New Years party at the Clinton's house.

 

[nondemiljer]

Hey guys,

I'm trying this diet for a bit more than 1 week now, already fasted 3 times. I have to say that I really feel great. I already lost 2.5 kg and decreasing. The 24 hour fast really isn't that hard. In sence of medical concern I would not really bother. I'm studying medics in my 3th year now, and already took classes metabolism. Next to that, if you just think of a human as an animal for a moment, than you know from history that people couldn't eat every second of the day, just because they didn't have any food. So it's really silly to think that a person NEEDs to eat at least 3 meals a day. In combination with some excersise, really not a big deal, you can get in shape really quickly. People were much thinner and muscular back in the days than they are know, and it's just because we eat to much, and to regullarly. A human is not made to do that. And believe me, we didn't change so much in over more than 10000 years.

So that was what I had to tell about the topic. So feel free to think what ever you want about it, there's nothing in there that is made up.

I'm not from GB or the USA so there's a change they're some typos in my text, excuse me.


thx

 

[malkore]

Since you chose to drag up a thread from 10 months ago, I'll reply.

If you look at history, you'd find humans often didn't have time to sit down for 3 square meals a day, either due to dangerous situations, or the simple fact that "if you found food, you better eat it now or some stronger homo sapien will take it from you".

Fact of the matter is, # of meals doesn't matter as much as some people think, but that doesn't mean we should all eat 3x a day or one huge meal a day. From a calorie perspective, its a simple in vs. out formula.
However from the perspective of blood sugar levels, insulin sensitivity, and hunger control, there's a whole lot more at play here.

Last fact: doctors are trained in medicine, not nutrition. Don't go wandering outside your field of expertise. That's why we have DIETICIANS

 

[bjkirby]

I stumbled across this thread and will post and go away forever.

I live this way, though I rarely go longer than 24 hours at a time without eating. Most days I eat three meals, some two, some one. I'm not doing it for weight loss or muscle gain, I'm doing it for my health. I am diabetic.

No one way is for everyone. I personally cannot deal with having to eat 6 times a day, having to cart food everywhere I go and having to plan my life around my next meal. I did it way too long because people kept telling me that was the "right" way. I finally realized something had to change.

Intermittent fasting is very freeing. It's great to be able to go out for the day and not have to carry my stupid cooler and give my friends the excuse that I'm diabetic and have to keep eating. I have finally seen really great numbers on my bloodwork after beginning IF. I feel terrific, I look even better, and am healthier at 46 than I was at 20.

Will it work for you? Maybe, maybe not. But don't knock it til you read the science behind it and actually try it. Are our bodies meant to be constantly digesting food? Mine isn't. There are a million different ways to eat, diet, train, etc. Do what works for you and quit bitching about what works for me when you can't even be bothered to learn enough about it to make a sensible comment.
btw, I low carb most of the time too so you can go ahead and start bashing me for that too.:action10:

 

[TomasKY]

I totally agree with bjkirby. I'd like to add that intermittent fasting or eat stop eat is mostly "anti-diet" then a "diet".

As for 5-6 small meals a day style of eating, here is an interesting article written by Brad Pilon-



Read it, if you're not a bodybuilder.

 

[Durden81]

Brad Pilon has written a good marketing text but as all marketing goes it is not impartial.
He only cites the studies that support his thesis.
This is a marketing approach and so it is non scientific by definition.

I am not a dietitian but doing a quick search I already found 1 study he wouldn't consider (and probably there are more):


Would be good to see what he says about that.
What I think (which is the same stated by tic in this thread) is to give your common sense and feelings in your body a greater importance.
I personally did try the 24 hours fasting a few times to observe the response of my body.
My current thought is that If I feel I need a "detoxication" because I had fallen into some kind compulsive eating (by this I mean the tendency to eat as an habit more than as a response to a sensation in your body)... and I feel I can endure a 24 hours fast, which means I had more than enough nutrients beforehand and a lifestyle that naturally boost hormon levels, then I would do it once for that single time, but never as an habit.
One thing I would say to people to whom this diet appeals and are following it, would be to not make a forced weekly habit out of this. Before each fast you should think if in that moment you are ready for it or not. That is 1 thing completely missing from his paper and that could cause health issues to people.

I find that dieting is an art. Either you have the money to have a great dietitian who does this art for you or your best bet is reading a bit and trying to increase your sensitivity towards the signs in your body that tells you what is good for you. And eat a normal balanced diet without falling into any particular diet that says that some class of food is bad for you. Everything should be taken into your diet and there is not bad class of food if it is taken in the right amount.

That said I did like a few of the ideas in this diet and the increased sensitivity to my body sensations that fasting can do for you. Also many of the comments about food supplements industry, fad diets or diets mainly geared for body builders types etc I couldn't agree more with. But I am happy sticking with a 2-5 meals a day depending on how my body feels and my exercise level.

 

[Nadal]

Dieting is really an art and i believe so!
And hard trainers do double their diets and i think it could be a good post and in fact it is a good post and thanks for such a brilliant post.

 

[Nadal]

Dieting is really an art and i believe so!
And hard trainers do double their diets and i think it could be a good post and in fact it is a good post and thanks for such a brilliant post.